New playoff proposal submitted today...what do you think?

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8 game season 384 teams make playoffs top 16 get a bye. Any team not making playoffs can play a week 9 game

Submitted by Chicago Christian and IC
 
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LOL Chicago Christian again on the wrong end of something awful
Not a fan of it either but will it get a serious consideration? In this day of everybody gets a trophy who knows what garbage will get adopted. Local park district still keeps score but there is only one combined score...WTF
 

DeanOfSelection

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I would be for everyone making the playoffs.......... if they shrank the classes to 5.
 
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JCHILLTOPPERS

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So Whitney Young would get a bye while waiting for the winner of the MC - PC slugfest? No thanks.

Any Wednesday games would mean no travel, so there goes any legit 1-32 seeding.
100 percent...tinkering this way still does not address seeding issues. The top teams will not get a bye.
 

kingwilliam1855

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I guess we just need to create a playoff committee to seed all the teams properly. Thank god IHSA football makes so much TV money they can pay to have 12 morons sit in a room for 2 days and pick all the top teams from classes 1A-8A. Cant wait to see this and all the match-ups on TV next fall. Oh wait...
 

redmen85

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I think you are missing the point. This has little to do with seeding and the best teams. The best teams win the games on the field. The sole purpose that the IHSA is entertaining this is due to the number of teams and conferences being changed due to schools jockeying for position in the sport of football. While I do not like this idea, it is better than the IHSA putting everyone into regionals like in most other sports. I think the IHSA is saying-"You fix it so we don't have to."
 

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I guess we just need to create a playoff committee to seed all the teams properly. Thank god IHSA football makes so much TV money they can pay to have 12 morons sit in a room for 2 days and pick all the top teams from classes 1A-8A. Cant wait to see this and all the match-ups on TV next fall. Oh wait...

What if I told you that device you are typing your posts on had the ability to rank teams?
 

chuck998

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I dislike the proposed change. And not sure what Edgy' s idea accomplishes. Shorter playoff season?
 

Lockport Dad

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I don't like this new proposal and don't think it would pass anyway. I don't really care either way about 1-32 seeding but would most definitely not want to see Wednesday playoff games.
 

LakeCtyNewt

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I could see IC submitting a football proposal but not Chicago Christian. That's a program that's been to the playoffs 10 times in its history - never past the quarters and were 1-8 this year.

Doesn't add much credibility.

What's wrong with 1-32 for all classes?

Only other way is football regionals similar to what Missouri does - that would cut the regular season to 7 games you'd then play 2 regional games and ultimately get seeded by the outcome of those games. Don't ever see that flying.

Just leave it alone.
 

CCL65

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I understand why IC would be for it. They have 312 students, but because of their location have to play some 5 and 6A teams making that fifth win often hard tom hard to get.
 

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It's fine the way it is. Is it perfect? No. It never will be. The perfect solution is the 1-32 seeding, I do like how they do the Home/Away in rounds 2 and on. I think it's the best solution, is it perfect? No, but it's the tallest midget for sure.
 

Trickeration

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5 classes all Public
1-32 Seeding

2 Private classes (non-boundary) classes (Small/Big)
1-32 Seeding or 1-16 depending on numbers

9 week season
Playoffs as they are currently except higher seed receives home field throughout (they earned it)

State Playoff Schedule
Private Small 11am Friday
Private Big 2pm Friday
Class 1A 5pm Friday
Class 2A 10 am Saturday
Class 3A 1pm Saturday
Class 4A 4pm Saturday
Class 5A 7pm Saturday

That is FAIR. No more multiplier, no more public vs private (that can be done in regular season if scheduled).

THE END
 

Trickeration

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That one small thing is all you took from my post? Schedule it however you want - the times aren't important. It's usually colder at night so afternoon would be preferred I would think.

Rating - hahahahaha
 

Snetsrak61

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5 classes all Public
1-32 Seeding

2 Private classes (non-boundary) classes (Small/Big)
1-32 Seeding or 1-16 depending on numbers

9 week season
Playoffs as they are currently except higher seed receives home field throughout (they earned it)

State Playoff Schedule
Private Small 11am Friday
Private Big 2pm Friday
Class 1A 5pm Friday
Class 2A 10 am Saturday
Class 3A 1pm Saturday
Class 4A 4pm Saturday
Class 5A 7pm Saturday

That is FAIR. No more multiplier, no more public vs private (that can be done in regular season if scheduled).

THE END
I was kicking around something like that the other week but two whole private/non-boundary schools is actually kind of a lot to fill.

Similar thought- 2 boundary (small). 1 non-boundary (small). 3 mixed classes, split by size, multiplier intact, but not success factor (unless you wanna make it for all).
 

jwarigaku

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Hey look Bones has a new name. Maybe this one will pay up on his bet!


That one small thing is all you took from my post? Schedule it however you want - the times aren't important. It's usually colder at night so afternoon would be preferred I would think.

Rating - hahahahaha
 

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That one small thing is all you took from my post? Schedule it however you want - the times aren't important. It's usually colder at night so afternoon would be preferred I would think.

Rating - hahahahaha

I would have the private schools play on Tuesday and Wednesday in the a.m. Make sure all other schools are still in session.
 

Trickeration

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Most other state associations separate Public vs. Non-Boundary when it comes to state playoffs.

If you non-boundary schools wish to recruit players then you should be with like minded schools when it comes to the playoff system. You have a right to attend any school you want but unless you are a moron you can understand the differences between the 2 situations. Anyone who has worked in a public school setting realizes there are challenges that private schools don't have to overcome.

Call me Bones (rude) or make silly comments I really don't care. I presented a valid option that I thought was fair for all schools public & private alike. I didn't call anyone out nor did I point a finger at anyone.

Just trying to be level headed when it comes to fair. Some of you need an A-ttitude check (where is the IHSA mascot when you need it)
 
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jwarigaku

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You can split them right after you start a state voucher system so that I can chose where to send my child to school. I pay taxes to the school and get NO representation. As for Public schools they recruit too. Let's take Bolingbrook for example...seems to be some Naperville and Oswego kids moving into district to transfer hhhmmmmm. Kinda sounds like a Basketball coach that used to be there and then went to HF before getting called out and sanctioned. Since we are on HF how about the huge out flux of players from Marian Catholic to HF...no those power 5 college level facilities weren't used to recruit kids to leave Marian.

You have to be blind to see it doesn't happen both ways. How about a prevalent public 8A coach that wanted my son to transfer into his district tell me that apartments in his district are certainly cheaper than my tuition at Nazareth. I've heard enough of this nonsense, both sides of the isle recruit, some do it the right way others don't. We are happy where we are and did not get any special promises or grants at Naz and I can say that's true up and down the program.

Finally, I also think that a transfer policy should be open to a kid for a 1 time transfer anytime in his eligibility because circumstances change for kids over time. We all say it's about the kids but in the end the kids get the short end of the stick while the adults are free to do as they please. When was the last time a coach was refused a transfer?!

Most other state associations separate Public vs. Non-Boundary when it comes to state playoffs.

If you non-boundary schools wish to recruit players then you should be with like minded schools when it comes to the playoff system. You have a right to attend any school you want but unless you are a moron you can understand the differences between the 2 situations. Anyone who has worked in a public school setting realizes there are challenges that private schools don't have to overcome.

Call me Bones (rude) or make silly comments I really don't care. I presented a valid option that I thought was fair for all schools public & private alike. I didn't call anyone out nor did I point a finger at anyone.

Just trying to be level headed when it comes to fair. Some of you need an A-ttitude check (where is the IHSA mascot when you need it)
 

CCHS-Fan

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Most other state associations separate Public vs. Non-Boundary when it comes to state playoffs.

If you non-boundary schools wish to recruit players then you should be with like minded schools when it comes to the playoff system. You have a right to attend any school you want but unless you are a moron you can understand the differences between the 2 situations. Anyone who has worked in a public school setting realizes there are challenges that private schools don't have to overcome.

Call me Bones (rude) or make silly comments I really don't care. I presented a valid option that I thought was fair for all schools public & private alike. I didn't call anyone out nor did I point a finger at anyone.

Just trying to be level headed when it comes to fair. Some of you need an A-ttitude check (where is the IHSA mascot when you need it)
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There's a legacy, private catholic high school in Lake County, IL. They didn't make the football post season.

How did their recruiting prowess separate themselves from other teams that did make the playoffs?
 

oldfan123

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If Privates are separate they need to drop out out the IHSA and a rule enforced that says privates can't play public schools in any sport ever!!! Then we will see how the public schools like it
 

mc140

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If Privates are separate they need to drop out out the IHSA and a rule enforced that says privates can't play public schools in any sport ever!!! Then we will see how the public schools like it

Most of the private schools would close.
 

mc140

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I like Privates being separate! Great idea above!
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There's a legacy, private catholic high school in Lake County, IL. They didn't make the football post season.

How did their recruiting prowess separate themselves from other teams that did make the playoffs?

Spend money on the right kids.
 

mc140

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Since we are on HF how about the huge out flux of players from Marian Catholic to HF...no those power 5 college level facilities weren't used to recruit kids to leave Marian.
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HF is crushing everyone for kids in the south suburbs and will be the reason Marian Catholic football goes under. They don't even have to call kids like the cps leaches, that indoor facility does it for them.
 

UlbKA91

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Spend money on the right kids.
Do they have Benet-like rules for prioritizing Catholics in the admissions process? Are Warren and other publics Lakes a "good enough" alternative (along with rent < tuition) to the hoodier schools in Lake?
 

UlbKA91

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"Hoodier" in this context is not simply non-white % v. white%. Yes there are the heavily black SE Waukegan, North Chicago, Zion-Benton and also uber-Latino rest of Waukegan, Round Lake, and parts of Mundelein. Many schools in Lake County actually have a decent plurality of both POC and are not the stereotypical hell holes that are put on par with CPS schools (NC and east freshman campus of Waukegan excepted) . Thusly, a minority parent feels less of a compilation to get their kid into a private school. In Lake there is also the high property taxes relative to say a Will County. This relative smaller disparity between public/private plus the tax discrepancy also means that private/Catholic schools is not as much of a "necessity" and can be onerous beyond simple tuition considerations in the eyes of parents. As regards athletics, Warren-Gurnee, the Antioch/Lakes, Libertyville, and even Stevenson leverage those factors such as facilities and available rental apartments.

As a real world example, I will be living that math question - own a home on paper in Waukegan - daughter lives there, but I and mom recently divorced and now I rent in Gurnee. In this case I must ask the question - better to live in the large house in Waukegan (and yes unfortunately kick out somebody) with good odds of gong private or rent (maybe condo) in a not-Waukegan district when it is time for the daughter to attend HS. Yellow and Light Brown Carmel is not just that big a draw as "a way out" as Mount Carmel might be for a south sider ( I am a southeast side native, and I tested into a CPS magnet program, but yeah MC was the contingency) , much as Benet may not be much of a draw for Bolingbrook, Romeoville, Joliet, east Aurora, despite being a relatively short distance down 53 and 34, respectively.