Next season is going to be brutal...

duke0527

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I actually think clearing some of these guys out will be good. Luke was great offensively but couldn't guard a fence post nor tried to. Then in the tourney a more athletic team locked him down and he was rendered useless. The key is Duvall. Get Duvall and I think the team will be more athletic and better overall defensively.
 

dukehokie

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I dont think anyone is saying that. I think people are just putting their opinion out there which is what a message board is for.

And I'm being facetious and showing some humor in a time of crisis. I'll smiley face it next time.
 

sheyduke

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You can't be serious. I like Grayson but he's not that important like you're making him out to be. He's a put you over the top player. A rotation with Duval, Jackson, Trent, White, Javin, Carter, Bolden, and Vrank is definitely enough. Reminds me of the 2010 roster as far as the numbers. 3 guards, a forward and 4 big men.
2010 featured two guards a sf, a pf and a center. It was a more traditional starting lineup.
With Grayson and Duval it makes Dukes offense less predictable. That's a slasher and passer in Duval and You know what to get from Grayson throw in Jackson or White or Trent with Bolden and Carter in the front court that's five that can defend and five that can score.
If you don't have chemistry it isn't gonna matter who comes back
 

Dahntay#1

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You can't be serious. I like Grayson but he's not that important like you're making him out to be. He's a put you over the top player. A rotation with Duval, Jackson, Trent, White, Javin, Carter, Bolden, and Vrank is definitely enough. Reminds me of the 2010 roster as far as the numbers. 3 guards, a forward and 4 big men.
No you can't be serious. In the last 20 years, name all of the national champions that won the title without a good junior or senior guard? It doesn't happen.
 

LouisiAaron

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2010 featured two guards a sf, a pf and a center. It was a more traditional starting lineup.
With Grayson and Duval it makes Dukes offense less predictable. That's a slasher and passer in Duval and You know what to get from Grayson throw in Jackson or White or Trent with Bolden and Carter in the front court that's five that can defend and five that can score.
If you don't have chemistry it isn't gonna matter who comes back

It would be as close to traditional as possible though. Trent is strong and long enough to guard the 3 when Jack is not out there. That low post will be deadly on defense though. When you have those two downlow you can put more pressure on the ball. We were putting pressure on the ball with no big men before, which was just retarded to me. Grayson isn't the make or break person like some are making him out to be. Getting Duval is more important than keeping Grayson
 

LouisiAaron

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No you can't be serious. In the last 20 years, name all of the national champions that won the title without a good junior or senior guard? It doesn't happen.

Grayson is not the make-or-break player for next year. We will definitely be able to survive without him. Duval is the guy we ABSOLUTELY NEED. If it came down to choosing out of those two, it's Duval. Grayson is not a point guard. I don't see much of a difference between he and Frank. Frank is better defensively and he will only get better offensively. If Grayson was a leader than maybe you have a point about that jr or sr guard. But he isn't a leader. He's been great the last two years but if he leaves it really won't affect much in my eyes. No Grayson equals a better Frank.
 

Dahntay#1

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Grayson is not the make-or-break player for next year. We will definitely be able to survive without him. Duval is the guy we ABSOLUTELY NEED. If it came down to choosing out of those two, it's Duval. Grayson is not a point guard. I don't see much of a difference between he and Frank. Frank is better defensively and he will only get better offensively. If Grayson was a leader than maybe you have a point about that jr or sr guard. But he isn't a leader. He's been great the last two years but if he leaves it really won't affect much in my eyes. No Grayson equals a better Frank.
Im just saying that you need experience and leadership to win a title. Grayson has his issues but I would call what he did in the title game leadership. Winning a title with literally no upperclassmen would be a first. You can agree with that right?
 

DukeRulesBasketball

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If we get Duval and Knox and we already have Carter and Trent that's four guys in the espn top 10 on the espn 100 and put them together with whose coming back, then that's a team that can contend. Just keeping my fingers crossed that Duke lands Knox and Duval.
 

LouisiAaron

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Im just saying that you need experience and leadership to win a title. Grayson has his issues but I would call what he did in the title game leadership. Winning a title with literally no upperclassmen would be a first. You can agree with that right?

It may be hard but anything can happen. They didn't think the one and dones would win championships as the focal points. I just believe a true point guard no matter the age can lead the team. Duval is the one that will make it go especially if the big men are the primary focus.
 

dukehokie

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It may be hard but anything can happen. They didn't think the one and dones would win championships as the focal points. I just believe a true point guard no matter the age can lead the team. Duval is the one that will make it go especially if the big men are the primary focus.

I say we need a little bit of both. Talent, senior leadership, rebounding. There's no singular "need". This team needs a lot of help, including Jesus the way this season ended.
 

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Kentucky will be hurting big time. They're one player away from losing 99 percent of their scoring from the previous season.

I hate the one and done stuff. If you got one and dones, you better hope to God they win it because there's going to be a season or two where a mass exodus leaves you with no one.

No way to prevent it without getting the NBA to fix it.
 

sheyduke

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It would be as close to traditional as possible though. Trent is strong and long enough to guard the 3 when Jack is not out there. That low post will be deadly on defense though. When you have those two downlow you can put more pressure on the ball. We were putting pressure on the ball with no big men before, which was just retarded to me. Grayson isn't the make or break person like some are making him out to be. Getting Duval is more important than keeping Grayson
Ive only watched Duval play once outside the McDonald's game and that was in the Dick's sporting invitational. He seemed bothered and got into foul trouble and his game was off. You need a returning player with experience especially one who won a championship as a freshman and really helped win it. Duval is a need for a floor general but Duke does have Jackson who will be a pg in the league.
With a proven scorer coming back that opens up the floor, period.
People forget that Tyus and Jah were the best of friends with chemistry and Cook and Tyus were friends before he stepped on campus. The chemistry with that freshman team was strong but it also had Cook and Amile and Jones to help them adjust. Oh and MP3
 

madrussian

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i for one am not crying about the early departure of luke. his defense was a liability. i think we will be stronger next year than most think.

with luke gone it opens up the door for grayson to return and i kind of expect he will.

i am looking forward to seeing what frank jackson can do and teamed up with grayson as the shooting guard should be great. its solid guard play that always seems to pay dividends in march. frank jackson can be deadly as a guard and has the ability to score from the perimeter and beat people off of the dribble. so does grayson. teams will have to respect that driving ability and it will open things up underneath.

i think coach had a little chat with Bolden and i expect him to come in ready to play collegiate basketball at a high level.

remember that K always seems to work his magic and this team will be no exception.
 
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Mac9192

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I say we need a little bit of both. Talent, senior leadership, rebounding. There's no singular "need". This team needs a lot of help, including Jesus the way this season ended.
Preach it Reverend Dukehokie!!
 

Wall2Boogie

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What's up guys?

Here's my question for you. I know from people who know lukes family he had a really tough time deciding on going pro because he loves duke and he is a great player. Trent is the real deal and Jackson will be even better next yr. I think bolden will be better since he will get 30 plus mins per game and carter is good as well. With Trent, Jackson, and Allen what is your confidence level with Duvall? I see you guys having a 3 guard lineup next yr with bolden and carter playing the 4 and 5. What I don't see is trent, Jackson or Allen coming off the bench to all Duvall to start especially since Allen has been your pg the last 3 years, and I don't see him willing allowing Duvall to come in and just take his place because wherever he goes he will start he's an absolute stud. What is your confidence level on landing him and if you do, who sits? You also have some other quality bigs on the bench and I could see you guys being good again next yr and I will be rooting for you when u play the cheats. Curious on how you feel k can sell Duvall to come to duke given the top guards you have already.
 

Wall2Boogie

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Because we don't have a point guard.
Yes, I know that but allen has been your pg the last 3 years, if you were to land Duvall who is a hell of a player, do you see k sitting allen with him being a senior? Btw Jackson is good but Gary Trent is the truth kid is gonna be a stud
 

SoCal Dukie

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Yes, I know that but allen has been your pg the last 3 years, if you were to land Duvall who is a hell of a player, do you see k sitting allen with him being a senior? Btw Jackson is good but Gary Trent is the truth kid is gonna be a stud

Last 3 years? 2015 was Tyus Jones, Matt Jones/Thornton/Allen, 2017 was Allen/Jones/Jackson.
 

Wall2Boogie

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Last 3 years? 2015 was Tyus Jones, Matt Jones/Thornton/Allen, 2017 was Allen/Jones/Jackson.
You're right my fault, he broke out in 2015. But the question remains he has been your pg the last TWO years even though he isn't a pg. I'm only speculating, but I see Trent coming off the bench if you were to get Duvall and start a 3 guard line up. I think Trent can easily play the two or the three and if allen falls back into his old ways(no disrespect)! I could see Trent, Jackson and if you land him Duvall playing the point since he is a true pg. problem is, he's possibly Terrance feeguson 2.0 and you know the toupee is doing everything he can to get him to Kansas. They already have Preston who is very questionable at this point, and Duvall may not even play college ball. Plus with graham and Newman ready to play it puts them in a tough spot as well since Newman is clearly a sg and graham could step in and play point. It will be interesting to see where Duvall ends up in college or overseas for a year
 

SoCal Dukie

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You're right my fault, he broke out in 2015. But the question remains he has been your pg the last TWO years even though he isn't a pg. I'm only speculating, but I see Trent coming off the bench if you were to get Duvall and start a 3 guard line up. I think Trent can easily play the two or the three and if allen falls back into his old ways(no disrespect)! I could see Trent, Jackson and if you land him Duvall playing the point since he is a true pg. problem is, he's possibly Terrance feeguson 2.0 and you know the toupee is doing everything he can to get him to Kansas. They already have Preston who is very questionable at this point, and Duvall may not even play college ball. Plus with graham and Newman ready to play it puts them in a tough spot as well since Newman is clearly a sg and graham could step in and play point. It will be interesting to see where Duvall ends up in college or overseas for a year

He wasn't even the number one PG the last 2 years so it is a stretch. Duval may not pick Duke, but it'll have nothing to do with Allen.
 
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sheyduke

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You're right my fault, he broke out in 2015. But the question remains he has been your pg the last TWO years even though he isn't a pg. I'm only speculating, but I see Trent coming off the bench if you were to get Duvall and start a 3 guard line up. I think Trent can easily play the two or the three and if allen falls back into his old ways(no disrespect)! I could see Trent, Jackson and if you land him Duvall playing the point since he is a true pg. problem is, he's possibly Terrance feeguson 2.0 and you know the toupee is doing everything he can to get him to Kansas. They already have Preston who is very questionable at this point, and Duvall may not even play college ball. Plus with graham and Newman ready to play it puts them in a tough spot as well since Newman is clearly a sg and graham could step in and play point. It will be interesting to see where Duvall ends up in college or overseas for a year
Allen plays better off the ball as a secondary ball handler. He hasn't been Dukes pg until this past season. Duval would have the keys but you are probably right about the three guard lineup especially given if Allen returns
 

Wall2Boogie

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I think you guys will be better next yr. I think the super team hype hurt you like it did USB in 2015. Especially since Tatum is gone. The guy played for himself most of the time to increase his draft stock rather than the team and I'm sure it frustrated the hell out of you guys. Don't get me wrong he was a good player but if he shot outside of 15 feet he couldn't hit anything and was always trying to be the hero. Just like briscoe did a lot for us. Luke should of always been the guy taking the big shots not Tatum. I really liked kennard and would of loved to have him at uk.
 

HuffyJB

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I think you guys will be better next yr. I think the super team hype hurt you like it did USB in 2015. Especially since Tatum is gone. The guy played for himself most of the time to increase his draft stock rather than the team and I'm sure it frustrated the hell out of you guys. Don't get me wrong he was a good player but if he shot outside of 15 feet he couldn't hit anything and was always trying to be the hero. Just like briscoe did a lot for us. Luke should of always been the guy taking the big shots not Tatum. I really liked kennard and would of loved to have him at uk.

Your Tatum assessment is embarrassingly bad. Save that stuff for a non-Duke site, where it doesn't matter if you are clueless.
 
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wcu1113

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Your Tatum assessment is embarrassingly bad. Save that stuff for a non-Duke site, where it doesn't matter if you are clueless.
I agree with him to an extent, at least for the first half of the season.