Nike and Kaepernick
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Lawyers can argue which side of the house is pointing north, they have no need of integrity, character, or honesty. Lawyers are the best at speaking with forked tongue and have argued for racist laws since quill was put to papyrus. If a lawyer tries to speak about this subject without knowing what is in the contract between the two parties, then he is a two-bit lawyer.
Ad doesn't bother me...I don't care what he has or hasn't sacrificed. Not a Nike or Kap fan.
[roll]You are truly one of the biggest morons on this board.
You may want to check your facts. If I am not mistaken this state I don't know about others is an at will state and you can be fired at will. My employer along with a lot of others have specific policies in place to address political or controversial speech in the workplace.
People are cutting the #Nike swoosh off their clothing, burning their Nike gear, pledging to boycott the company, and otherwise throwing a hissy fit because this company gave a man they despise a job.
LET’S GO OVER HOW WE GOT HERE:
Kaepernick sat on the bench during the national anthem on August 26, 2016, because he saw the racial disparities in our legal and justice systems and felt that our country—the one our flag and anthem represent—was not living up to its ideals of “liberty and justice for all.”
That simple action created an uproar among people who took it as disrespect for the flag and for the veterans who sacrificed for our freedoms. Controversy ensued.
Another football player and veteran—former Seahawk and Green Beret, Nate Boyer—saw this go down. He wrote to Kaepernick, sharing support for the basis of his protest but explaining why sitting during the anthem created such a visceral response in some people, including himself.
Kaepernick invited Boyer to meet with him. They spoke for 90 minutes, sharing their different perspectives. Kap said he wanted to make his statement without being disrespectful to the military.
Boyer suggested that instead of sitting, Kap could kneel during the anthem. Soldiers take a knee when one is wounded. They take a knee at a fellow soldier’s gravesite. They take a knee to pray. Taking a knee is a sign of respect and reverence.
Again, Kaepernick wanted to stage his peaceful demonstration while still showing respect for the military, so he talked to a veteran about how to do that. And that veteran suggested he take a knee instead of sitting **because taking a knee is a sign of respect and reverence.**
I don’t know how people keep missing this and complaining that Kap and others who have knelt during the anthem are disrespecting the military.
We kneel to pray. We kneel to propose marriage. We kneel before royalty. Taking a knee in those instances is a sign of respect and reverence. Soldiers kneel in solidarity with the wounded. Football players themselves kneel when a player is injured and carried off the field.
Taking a knee says, “I see you and acknowledge your suffering.” It is always a sign of respect and reverence. Always. Can you think of a situation in which consciously getting down on one knee is not a sign of respect? I can't.
It’s not like Kap flipped a middle finger to the flag or dropped his pants and mooned it. It’s not like he even turned his back on it. He simply didn’t stand, and when he realized that was being misinterpreted, he knelt — at the suggestion of a veteran.
Taking a knee during the anthem is NOT a statement AGAINST what the flag stands for. It says America is wounded by racism and injured by injustice. It says to those in our nation who are still not experiencing true liberty and justice, “I see you and acknowledge your suffering.”
And it says all of that while ALSO saying, “I respect the sacrifices made by those who fight to protect our freedoms”— because, once again, taking a knee is a sign of respect.
The flag and anthem belong to all of us. They are symbols of our ideals of “liberty and justice for all.” If some of our citizens are still not experiencing true liberty and real justice, then our flag and our anthem are not representing the nation as we think they are.
And that is why these protests are happening. We need to acknowledge that there’s more than one way to fight for your country, and stop questioning the patriotism of a man who has sacrificed his career and reputation trying to make America a more just place for all. #JustDoIt
- Annie Reneau
LET’S GO OVER HOW WE GOT HERE:
Kaepernick sat on the bench during the national anthem on August 26, 2016, because he saw the racial disparities in our legal and justice systems and felt that our country—the one our flag and anthem represent—was not living up to its ideals of “liberty and justice for all.”
That simple action created an uproar among people who took it as disrespect for the flag and for the veterans who sacrificed for our freedoms. Controversy ensued.
Another football player and veteran—former Seahawk and Green Beret, Nate Boyer—saw this go down. He wrote to Kaepernick, sharing support for the basis of his protest but explaining why sitting during the anthem created such a visceral response in some people, including himself.
Kaepernick invited Boyer to meet with him. They spoke for 90 minutes, sharing their different perspectives. Kap said he wanted to make his statement without being disrespectful to the military.
Boyer suggested that instead of sitting, Kap could kneel during the anthem. Soldiers take a knee when one is wounded. They take a knee at a fellow soldier’s gravesite. They take a knee to pray. Taking a knee is a sign of respect and reverence.
Again, Kaepernick wanted to stage his peaceful demonstration while still showing respect for the military, so he talked to a veteran about how to do that. And that veteran suggested he take a knee instead of sitting **because taking a knee is a sign of respect and reverence.**
I don’t know how people keep missing this and complaining that Kap and others who have knelt during the anthem are disrespecting the military.
We kneel to pray. We kneel to propose marriage. We kneel before royalty. Taking a knee in those instances is a sign of respect and reverence. Soldiers kneel in solidarity with the wounded. Football players themselves kneel when a player is injured and carried off the field.
Taking a knee says, “I see you and acknowledge your suffering.” It is always a sign of respect and reverence. Always. Can you think of a situation in which consciously getting down on one knee is not a sign of respect? I can't.
It’s not like Kap flipped a middle finger to the flag or dropped his pants and mooned it. It’s not like he even turned his back on it. He simply didn’t stand, and when he realized that was being misinterpreted, he knelt — at the suggestion of a veteran.
Taking a knee during the anthem is NOT a statement AGAINST what the flag stands for. It says America is wounded by racism and injured by injustice. It says to those in our nation who are still not experiencing true liberty and justice, “I see you and acknowledge your suffering.”
And it says all of that while ALSO saying, “I respect the sacrifices made by those who fight to protect our freedoms”— because, once again, taking a knee is a sign of respect.
The flag and anthem belong to all of us. They are symbols of our ideals of “liberty and justice for all.” If some of our citizens are still not experiencing true liberty and real justice, then our flag and our anthem are not representing the nation as we think they are.
And that is why these protests are happening. We need to acknowledge that there’s more than one way to fight for your country, and stop questioning the patriotism of a man who has sacrificed his career and reputation trying to make America a more just place for all. #JustDoIt
- Annie Reneau
This will not end well for the NFL. Remember the baseball strike?
Annie Reneau is so arrogant she believes everyone should stop being offended by the kneeling because Nate Boyer suggested doing it that way. You know, since he's a veteran and since he speaks for all veterans. Wait.....what?? She's a simple minded alt-left snowflake. Why would anyone care what she thinks?
When CK takes a stand against the Nike sweat shops that are paying his contract, let me know.
Let me give you one persons views. I am the son and grandson of career military vets and I proudly stand for the flag and the anthem it is a symbol of the rights and the freedoms that many men have fought and died for so I respect it for them. There have been times that i haven't agreed with what our country has done or said. But as my father and grandfather told me you can do or say anything you want just remember other people have the same right. I don't buy Nike because I don't like their products. But if CK can kneel I can at the same time tell him to kiss my *** and disagree with him.
Would Kap have kneeled if he were a starting QB the first time it happened?
Keep your hands up don’t shoot lies. Media stoked ********. Give me the cops any day, warts and all. I have other clothing options.
The distinction is merely in who punishes you. My point was that the Constitution does not protect an employee from being fired for saying something. It does however, protect a person from being arrested for saying the same thing.
So all the NFL has to do is secretly allow steroids? I mean, MLB is doing fine. Fans are fickle and have very short memories.
Nike has clearly done their homework and really could care less what old white people think, much less their buying habits.
Your grandkids are going to want Nike this and Nike that. Try being that Grandpa having to explain why you give them crappy gifts.
It is disrespectful because you are respectfully asked to please rise for the playing of our National Anthem. It is the 1 minute reserved to honor and respect all of our wonderful military Men and Women. It is not a platform to protest anything. Suppose Blue Lives Matter organize a day to have peaceful protest in the streets of City's all across the country about our Police Men and Women that are being murdered and they choose to have them on Martin Luther King Day. The Day that is to Honor Martin Luther King. Just like the Anthem is played to Honor are Military Men and Women. I guess all those who support the kneeling would be okay with this as well. I mean they're not disrespecting Martin Luther King, they're just trying to bring attention to their cause!! Yes this would be very much disrespectful to have these protests on the day we Honor Martin Luther King, just like it's disrespectful to kneel for the 1 Minute you are asked to Please Stand Honor our Military Men and Women!!
Makes sense, but why are we playing the national anthem before sporting events? I mean, I know the military was paying these billionaire sports owners to help with recruitment by playing the National Anthem and staging family reunions, but other than that, it really makes no sense to play the national anthem at a sporting event.
Why can't our sports be just about sports?
We play The Anthem to Honor are Military Men and Women, because without them their would be no sports to play.
I believe he was drafted in either 10' or 11'. Wonder why he waited so long to protest? I guess wearing socks depicting cops pigs really lifts up the country and the issue.
It wasnt until his playing time diminished that he felt the need to protest. He's a fraud
Would we have access to cross walks without the military? How about the freedom to purchase groceries? What about swimming in lakes?
I mean, if we only had a holiday or two to honor the military...
Why is it awesome? It is the same regurgitated inspirational message we have heard before.
How about put Ben Carson, Jim Abbott and Nick Vujicic as the focal points and let the widow of a 9/11 first responder be the narrator?
See how that works? Point being, this commercial is nothing more than a thinly veiled attempt at making Kap look like some sort of rebranded hero, despite his ignorance towards the racial injustice issue. You want to get the sacrifice message out there....then lets use those who truly deserve the headlines.
Yeah...Ben Carson. Solid work.
Listen, Nike knows they aren't going to get you to give up your white New Balance kicks and they really don't care.
Couldn't be happier that UK is a flagship Nike school.
Come on gang, if you have time to get mad about this then get a hobby. It doesn't affect you at all. So he's disrespecting the flag, a million other people do as well. Grow up, this is child's play. Advertising and marketing are pissing you off. It's their job and it's working.
You are 100% correct, we all need to lighten up a bit.
They didn't so anything about Tebow because it was a guaranteed lawsuit of religious discrimination. I know you will probably avoid admitting that like any good lawyer would because it negates a chunk of your argument. However, we both know for a fact that's the truth.
As I've said, I don't think he would win a discrimination suit, but he would score in the court of public opinion which is potentially more damaging.
It's not really straddling a line if you allow one side to have their way. They're are saying pretty loudly which side they obviously support. That's pretty evident by the recent statement regarding the Nike deal.
You presented the proof when you didn't catch it.
Sure, if you say so.
Actually he was wearing a shirt with a picture of Malcolm X meeting Castro for discussions on racial oppression. Let's tell the whole story before we start throwing around words like stupid.
I would say she and his family and friends would likely know best. At least far more than you or I. And they seem supportive of it as well.
Aww, sounds like you have a little crush on someone.
Of course you can. Who said you couldn't? However, do you think it's respectful to burn clothes and shoes that could be donated to homeless vets and kids
I would be fine with that. More than 1 thing can be honored or celebrated on a given day or given time. Just like Kapernick can be respectful of military and veterans and still take a knee during the anthem. It's a song a piece of replicated cloth that less than 10% of the countries citizens it represents no jack **** about the history of. If you want to honor the vets donate your money, time and extra belongings to their organizations. Particularly any Nike stuff you might be getting rid of. Standing on two feet for 60 seconds benefits them in 0 ways, literally just as much as being on a knee.
Because the issue became larger and larger. How does that make him a fraud? Some cops are pigs, remember Mark Furman? Unfortunately a few bad ones give a bad image to them all for some.
We probably would have crosswalks, groceries and lakes without a military. We would just more than likely be speaking in German when we referenced them. Oh, and Jews and black people would all be dead. So there's that downside.
I also remember oj simpson getting away with butchering to human lives. That jury would not have convicted oj if there had been 100 eye witnesses and a video of him doing it!!
If a person wants to destroy their clothing then that is there business. They paid for them. Is it smart maybe not but they paid for them.
Had the prosecution been smart enough to leave Mark Furman off the stand, they never would have had to deal with the tapes that came out after the initial testimony where he is caught stating about his involvment in police brutality against black people, altering evidence, and using the n word over 26 times in less than an hour. Every jury member from that case admitted Mark Furman was the one thing that they couldn't look past.
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How did the issue become larger and larger? Oh yeah, the black POTUS was replaced by a white POTUS that neither you nor him like. Your premise is a joke just like CK is. Castro was a dictator who truly oppressed people, but he wore a shirt to idolize him while in a free country he depicts cops as pigs which you say is true, You are as disgusting as he is as well. Don't be a hypocrite and call the police if you have an intruder or burgular. Have you or him been protesting Chicago were murder of black people is completely out of control and has been for years? Guess who is doing most of the killing, hint, it ain't the police.
"I stand for equal rights and against oppression. Thats why Im signing this multi million dollar endorsement deal with a company who exploits child labor for profit. I also oppose violence and police brutality." - Kaepernick while wearing a Malcom X/Castro shirt. You cant fix stupid.
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