Nike and Kaepernick

[TheGrafSpot.]

How did the issue become larger and larger? Oh yeah, the black POTUS was replaced by a white POTUS that neither you nor him like. Your premise is a joke just like CK is. Castro was a dictator who truly oppressed people, but he wore a shirt to idolize him while in a free country he depicts cops as pigs which you say is true, You are as disgusting as he is as well. Don't be a hypocrite and call the police if you have an intruder or burgular. Have you or him been protesting Chicago were murder of black people is completely out of control and has been for years? Guess who is doing most of the killing, hint, it ain't the police.

I'm sorry you're having such a hard time articulating yourself in a somewhat intellectual manner. You seem to be getting pretty worked up over this and feel the need to resort to personal attacks and fallacies in an attempt to generate a similar reaction out of me. Little secret; it won’t work. I understand this is typical behavior of the weaker, indigent-minded individuals, but I was so hoping you could offer more.

You sure seem to assume a lot of things. Who said I disliked Trump? I think he is a bit dumb, but he has not real control or power for me to dislike him. As long as he is the President in name, Gen Kelly and Mattis are running the country, and I have no qualms with that.

When did Kaepernick where a shirt idolizing Castro? I think you mean he wore a shirt with a picture of Malcom X, in which he was meeting with Fidel Castro. It was a shirt which dictated that 2 people from polar opposite sides are capable of having an open dialogue to try to bring change. Never once did he praise Castro as you want us to believe. FYI, North Korea and Russia have oppressed millions though, so I am sure you were outraged at Trump when he praised them publicly, correct? Or how about when he praised white nationalist as good people? You were against that since that have oppressed many people of color, correct?

Do you think all cops are good? You've never heard or met a bad one? If you have, which if we are being honest we both know you have, then what I said was true. Some cops are pigs. That doesn't mean they all are, but the actions of a few can give them all a bad name sometimes. Particularly the ones who target minority groups and shoot unarmed or defenseless people because they are afraid of people who look different than them. Also, why would I call the police when I have the right to just shoot them?

Black on Black crime is an issue in this country. As is Black on white, white on black, white on white, Hispanic on white, white on Hispanic, black on Hispanic and Hispanic on black, and male on female. I stand against all that and I also am against police specifically targeting any group, in this case black men. I am capable of caring about more than one issue at a time. Are you not? Are you fine with them targeting whoever they feel? Were you supportive of the Gestapo and Nazi's?

 

[TheGrafSpot.]

If a person wants to destroy their clothing then that is there business. They paid for them. Is it smart maybe not but they paid for them.

Sure, they can. No one as really argued otherwise. But do you really think it's about the military or respect at that point? Burning perfectly good clothes or shoes that could easily be donated to help homeless or struggling vets doesn't seem like caring or being respectful to me. Colin taking a knee during the anthem doesn't prevent a homeless vet from having, shoes, shirts, socks, shorts and whatever else they are burning. However, burning them sure does.

 

[TheGrafSpot.]

"I stand for equal rights and against oppression. Thats why Im signing this multi million dollar endorsement deal with a company who exploits child labor for profit. I also oppose violence and police brutality." - Kaepernick while wearing a Malcom X/Castro shirt. You cant fix stupid.

So we are just making up quotes now? And entirely inaccurate narratives to go along with them? Please post a link to a reliable source where he actually praises Castro, supports violence or police brutality, or says "I stand for equal rights and against oppression. That’s why I’m signing this multi-million-dollar endorsement deal with a company who exploits child labor for profit. I also oppose violence and police brutality."The only thing stupid is that you actually believe that.


Obviously, the child labor issue that hasn’t bothered many until it became a defense mechanism against Kaepernick. Nike was and still is a multi-billion-dollar company made off the employees of sweat shops utilizing slave/child labor in impoverished countries. Now suddenly everyone cares. SO where was all this outrage when they were raking up the billions the last few decades? Again, let’s not try to make this about something it clearly isn’t and is so easily repudiated.

 

[Tannerdad]

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article117033883.html

Only Malcom X, eh.

 

[TheGrafSpot.]

Lol, what a narcissistic loon.

Omg, that hurts so much.

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article117033883.html

Only Malcom X, eh.

So maybe you can point us to the passage in that article where he praises or defends Castro. I see where he praises Malcom X and mentions that he was wearing the shirt because of him.

He states “I am a believer in Malcolm X and his ideology and what he talked about and what he believed in as far as fighting oppression,” Kaepernick said.

“If you let me finish, please,” Kaepernick requested. “The fact he [Malcolm X] met with Fidel to me speaks to his open mind to be willing to hear different aspects of people’s views and ultimately being able to create his own views as far as the best way to approach different situations, different cultures.”

“I’m not talking about Fidel Castro and his oppression,” Kaepernick said. “I’m talking about Malcolm X and what he’s done for people.”
He did misquote the literacy rate in Cuba, but that's a far cry from appluading Castro.

You're free to beleive as you will about it, but at least be honest and don't try to misinterpret or intentioanlly misalign quotes in a feeble attempt to pass them off as factual evidence or truth.

 

[Bill Derington]

Omg, that hurts so much.

So maybe you can point us to the passage in that article where he praises or defends Castro. I see where he praises Malcom X and mentions that he was wearing the shirt because of him.

He states “I am a believer in Malcolm X and his ideology and what he talked about and what he believed in as far as fighting oppression,” Kaepernick said.

“If you let me finish, please,” Kaepernick requested. “The fact he [Malcolm X] met with Fidel to me speaks to his open mind to be willing to hear different aspects of people’s views and ultimately being able to create his own views as far as the best way to approach different situations, different cultures.”

“I’m not talking about Fidel Castro and his oppression,” Kaepernick said. “I’m talking about Malcolm X and what he’s done for people.”
He did misquote the literacy rate in Cuba, but that's a far cry from appluading Castro.

You're free to beleive as you will about it, but at least be honest and don't try to misinterpret or intentioanlly misalign quotes in a feeble attempt to pass them off as factual evidence or truth.

The dude intentionally wore a Malcolm X/ Castro shirt for a reason. You can spin however you like, but he believes in both of those men's principles.

Their stated intention was for the people to rise up, by militant means if necessary.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Omg, that hurts so much.

So maybe you can point us to the passage in that article where he praises or defends Castro. I see where he praises Malcom X and mentions that he was wearing the shirt because of him.

He states “I am a believer in Malcolm X and his ideology and what he talked about and what he believed in as far as fighting oppression,” Kaepernick said.

“If you let me finish, please,” Kaepernick requested. “The fact he [Malcolm X] met with Fidel to me speaks to his open mind to be willing to hear different aspects of people’s views and ultimately being able to create his own views as far as the best way to approach different situations, different cultures.”

“I’m not talking about Fidel Castro and his oppression,” Kaepernick said. “I’m talking about Malcolm X and what he’s done for people.”
He did misquote the literacy rate in Cuba, but that's a far cry from appluading Castro.

You're free to beleive as you will about it, but at least be honest and don't try to misinterpret or intentioanlly misalign quotes in a feeble attempt to pass them off as factual evidence or truth.

Please continue.

 

[fuzz77]

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article117033883.html

Only Malcom X, eh.

A column written by a Cuban American where he implies because CK won't criticize Castro he somehow supports him. Let's see if we can find a good parallel... how about a group of Nazis gather to protest, end up killing a woman and the POTUS won't criticize them. Conclusion: he must support Nazis.
Or...a POTUS who showers a dictator who starves his own people, assassinates his political foes with praise. Conclusion: he must like dictators that assassinates political foes and even had his own brother killed.

Read the exchange below and convince yourself that the writer is not projecting his POV, his agenda and not fairly and accurately reporting what the subject of his article had to say. Anyone who knows anything about X knows he wasn't a communist or ever espoused anything like what Castro did in Cuba.


So I ask Kaepernick how he can protest oppression then ignorantly don a T-shirt featuring an oppressor?

And Kaepernick immediately said:

“I wore a Malcolm X shirt,” he said.

Now, Kaepernick is bright even though he seems to be playing dumb. He carried a 4.0 grade point average at John H. Pitman High School in Turlock, California, around the same time my aunt, lacking medicine and care in Cuba, was dying — the last of my family members the Castros refused to allow to escape to freedom in the United States.

So I remind Kaepernick that Castro was indeed on his shirt.

“I am a believer in Malcolm X and his ideology and what he talked about and what he believed in as far as fighting oppression,” Kaepernick said.

That, by the way, does not answer the question. Kaepernick is evading as if my question is an NFL linebacker on a blitz. So I interrupt. ...

Are you a believer in Fidel Castro, who is also on that shirt?

“If you let me finish, please,” Kaepernick requested. “The fact he [Malcolm X] met with Fidel to me speaks to his open mind to be willing to hear different aspects of people’s views and ultimately being able to create his own views as far as the best way to approach different situations, different cultures.”

Meanwhile...Nike stock is up again today and has already recovered half of what was lost on Friday. I guess that's what $144 million of free publicity (estimated value of Nike mentions in news clips around this story) will do for you.

 

[fuzz77]

The dude intentionally wore a Malcolm X/ Castro shirt for a reason. You can spin however you like, but he believes in both of those men's principles.

Their stated intention was for the people to rise up, by militant means if necessary.

Given that X and Castro were from the extreme polar opposites politically... please explain how those gymnastics are performed.

 

[Tannerdad]

My honest feeling is I think this is all BS Liberal noise.

CK is a POS who sacrificed NOTHING.

I have no issue with protest. But the faux outrage using our national anthem is simply more leftist BS. Funny how nobody protested when the same **** was going on during 8 years of Obama. This is all about Trump and everyone knows it. That’s fine(I don’t like him either) but at least be honest about it.

Every business has a right to advertise as they see fit. I believe in the free market and that same market will ultimately decide if it was a good business decision. All it does now is create more division in an already heavily divided nation, IMO.

 

[TheGrafSpot.]

The dude intentionally wore a Malcolm X/ Castro shirt for a reason. You can spin however you like, but he believes in both of those men's principles.

Their stated intention was for the people to rise up, by militant means if necessary.

I mean you're free to beleive that, but it doesn't make it true. Using your example any one wearing UK shirt would be conisdered a racist, since UK has a histroy of racist behavior. Or, saying anyone who wears Nike supports child labor and sweat shops. I have a shirt with an alcohol ad on it. Does that automactially imply I am a drunk?

 

[fuzz77]

My honest feeling is I think this is all BS Liberal noise.

CK is a POS who sacrificed NOTHING.

I have no issue with protest. But the faux outrage using our national anthem is simply more leftist BS. Funny how nobody protested when the same **** was going on during 8 years of Obama. This is all about Trump and everyone knows it. That’s fine(I don’t like him either) but at least be honest about it.

Every business has a right to advertise as they see fit. I believe in the free market and that same market will ultimately decide if it was a good business decision. All it does now is create more division in an already heavily divided nation, IMO.

"In the 49ers' final 2016 preseason game on September 1, 2016, after talking to Boyer, Kaepernick opted to kneel during the U.S. national anthem rather than sit as he did in their previous games."

Who was the POTUS on September 1, 2016?

 

[TheGrafSpot.]

My honest feeling is I think this is all BS Liberal noise.

CK is a POS who sacrificed NOTHING.

I have no issue with protest. But the faux outrage using our national anthem is simply more leftist BS. Funny how nobody protested when the same **** was going on during 8 years of Obama. This is all about Trump and everyone knows it. That’s fine(I don’t like him either) but at least be honest about it.

Every business has a right to advertise as they see fit. I believe in the free market and that same market will ultimately decide if it was a good business decision. All it does now is create more division in an already heavily divided nation, IMO.

When did Kaeperniks protest start? When did Trump become president? I think you'll find one began a while before the other. You may also want to look up when the Ferguson shooting occured, Trayvon Martin and so forth. A lot were when Obama was in office and recieved heavy media and natioanl attention then. Again, don't let the facts interfere with your anti-Trump narrative.

CK has given more money and time than you ever will to communites and people in need. If he's such a piece of ****, what does that say about you?

 

[TheGrafSpot.]

Please continue.

Thanks for the permisson. Will do!

 

[Bill Derington]

Given that X and Castro were from the extreme polar opposites politically... please explain how those gymnastics are performed.

Gymnastics? Why would the 2 of them be put on a shirt together? They both were trying to start a revolution, one succeeded. Of all the Malcolm X shirts why would Kap choose one that had Castro on it? Think he just randomly picked it out? Hell no.

 

[Tannerdad]

You obviously have no effing clue what I meant. What’s that say about you. Try reading comprehension.

You people and NIKE make CK a victim. That’s just nuts. But whatever floats your boat.

Out

 

[Bill Derington]

I mean you're free to beleive that, but it doesn't make it true. Using your example any one wearing UK shirt would be conisdered a racist, since UK has a histroy of racist behavior. Or, saying anyone who wears Nike supports child labor and sweat shops. I have a shirt with an alcohol ad on it. Does that automactially imply I am a drunk?

It would be safe to assume they were UK fans though, would it not?

Then throw in the Kaps own actions, and his description of Castro's Cuba. He was trying to make a statement with it, just like he did with the kneeling.

 

[fuzz77]

Gymnastics? Why would the 2 of them be put on a shirt together? They both were trying to start a revolution, one succeeded. Of all the Malcolm X shirts why would Kap choose one that had Castro on it? Think he just randomly picked it out? Hell no.

So they were both revolutionaries? I guess they could also add George Washington to the shirt as well?

So you know the contents of CK's t-shirt wardrobe? What if that is his only Malcom X shirt? What if it was a gift?

I've got a stack of 30-40 t-shirts and on days I wear a t-shirt I generally grab the one off the top. I might dig down a few if the color clashes with the pants I'm wearing. When I wash the shirts I put the clean ones on the bottom so I'm not wearing the same ones over and over. Bottom line, I don't put a lot of thought into what is on my t-shirt. Why are you convinced that CK puts that much thought into what he is wearing?

 

[fuzz77]

You obviously have no effing clue what I meant. What’s that say about you. Try reading comprehension.

You people and NIKE make CK a victim. That’s just nuts. But whatever floats your boat.

Out

I have no issue with protest. But the faux outrage using our national anthem is simply more leftist BS. Funny how nobody protested when the same **** was going on during 8 years of Obama. This is all about Trump and everyone knows it. That’s fine(I don’t like him either) but at least be honest about it.

Did you or did you not write this? "Funny how nobody protested when the same **** was going on during 8 years of Obama".

The record shows that this absolutely started during Obama's term.

The record also shows that only 6 players protested before Trump called the NFL players SOBs on Sept 22, 2017. 200+ joined the protest the next week.

Trump himself made CK and NFL players the victims through his vilification of them. The story had essentially gone away and nobody was talking about it. Trump made a mountain out of a molehill. Please spare me the outrage over what has followed.

 

[Bill Derington]

So they were both revolutionaries? I guess they could also add George Washington to the shirt as well?

So you know the contents of CK's t-shirt wardrobe? What if that is his only Malcom X shirt? What if it was a gift?

I've got a stack of 30-40 t-shirts and on days I wear a t-shirt I generally grab the one off the top. I might dig down a few if the color clashes with the pants I'm wearing. When I wash the shirts I put the clean ones on the bottom so I'm not wearing the same ones over and over. Bottom line, I don't put a lot of thought into what is on my t-shirt. Why are you convinced that CK puts that much thought into what he is wearing?

Oddly he hasn't been spotted wearing a George Washington shirt...hmm.

You're right, it's a stretch that the guy kneeling during the anthem, dating a muslim activist, a controversial ad, donated money to a convicted cop killers fund just randomly picked a shirt with Castro/ malcolm X on it for no other reason than he liked it.

 

[fuzz77]

It would be safe to assume they were UK fans though, would it not?

Then throw in the Kaps own actions, and his description of Castro's Cuba. He was trying to make a statement with it, just like he did with the kneeling.

"his description of Castro's Cuba"? He only made a comment about Cuba because he was pressed on it again and again. He remarked that they had a high literacy rate (in fact higher than the US) because the invest more in education than prisons.

You obviously don't hold the same standard for president Bone Spurs who has heaped praise on Putin and Kim Jong-UN...or do you think the orange one really admires those two?

 

[fuzz77]

Oddly he hasn't been spotted wearing a George Washington shirt...hmm.

You're right, it's a stretch that the guy kneeling during the anthem, dating a muslim activist, a controversial ad, donated money to a convicted cop killers fund just randomly picked a shirt with Castro/ malcolm X on it for no other reason than he liked it.

Again I ask Bill... other than being revolutionaries...what did Castro and Malcolm X have in common politically? They are extreme polar opposites.
That's like saying George Washington and Karl Marx were kindred sprits because they both called for revolution.

 

[CB3UK]

So we are just making up quotes now? And entirely inaccurate narratives to go along with them? Please post a link to a reliable source where he actually praises Castro, supports violence or police brutality, or says "I stand for equal rights and against oppression. That’s why I’m signing this multi-million-dollar endorsement deal with a company who exploits child labor for profit. I also oppose violence and police brutality."The only thing stupid is that you actually believe that.


Obviously, the child labor issue that hasn’t bothered many until it became a defense mechanism against Kaepernick. Nike was and still is a multi-billion-dollar company made off the employees of sweat shops utilizing slave/child labor in impoverished countries. Now suddenly everyone cares. SO where was all this outrage when they were raking up the billions the last few decades? Again, let’s not try to make this about something it clearly isn’t and is so easily repudiated.

Im pointing out his flagrant hypocrisy with hyperbole. Dear Lord.....How dense are you? Not going to pretend I care it bothers you. Rant on snowflake.

 

[Bill Derington]

Again I ask Bill... other than being revolutionaries...what did Castro and Malcolm X have in common politically? They are extreme polar opposites.
That's like saying George Washington and Karl Marx were kindred sprits because they both called for revolution.

It's not about what they stood for politically Fuzz, do you honestly believ Kap just randomly wore a shirt with those 2 on it?

Look, I don't care what he wears, or why, what rubs me is that you guys know he wore it to make a statement, and refuse to acknowledge that because it throws doubt in his stated reason for kneeling. Just admit whats obvious and move on.

 

[Bill Derington]

"his description of Castro's Cuba"? He only made a comment about Cuba because he was pressed on it again and again. He remarked that they had a high literacy rate (in fact higher than the US) because the invest more in education than prisons.

You obviously don't hold the same standard for president Bone Spurs who has heaped praise on Putin and Kim Jong-UN...or do you think the orange one really admires those two?

That is a statement, he could've just as easily said my GF gave it to me, or any other countless reasons, but he gave that reason.

Finally you got to the root cause as to why you're supporting Kap, because of your hate for Trump, honesty at last!
Nevermind that Trump is the President, and trying to work a deal to denuclearize North Korea, or that he's trying to get out of Syria and eliminate ISIS with Russian help. How bout the crippling sanctions he's placed on both of those leaders nations, do those statements not mean anything?

 

[Ryan Lemonds Hair]

Were you all as offended, outraged and protesting Nike when Tim Tebow did the same thing in 2012 to protest abortion rights? Asking for a friend.

If so, you really shouldn't have Nike attire to burn or give away now, and you should have already been boycotting them. And, if not, why does this offend you so much more?

Also, do you think the Nike attire being burnt or destroyed might be of better use being donated to homeless or struggling vets that would gladly wear it?
It's far more disrespectful to burn attire they need and could legitimacy make good use out of, than anything Kaepernick is doing.

Did Nike run an campaign about how Tebow was sacrificing all? Asking for a friend.

 

[TheGrafSpot.]

"In the 49ers' final 2016 preseason game on September 1, 2016, after talking to Boyer, Kaepernick opted to kneel during the U.S. national anthem rather than sit as he did in their previous games."

Who was the POTUS on September 1, 2016?

And he began the protest a while before then when he first started sitting. Those Trumpers love their fake news.

You obviously have no effing clue what I meant. What’s that say about you. Try reading comprehension.

You people and NIKE make CK a victim. That’s just nuts. But whatever floats your boat.

Out

You falsely claimed it was liberal noise in repsone to Trump, yet it was pointed out it started long before Trump. You falsy claimed this never occured under Obama, and again, that was false.

You stated CK had sacraficed nothing. Again, that was false.

You stated he was a piece of ****, and that is your opinion. Which you have a right to. However, your rational for him being a piece of **** was incorrect and you stated it was because he has sacraficed nothing. However, I would imagine the millions of dollars and hours of his time he has donated is far superior to anything you have given. So if he is a piece of **** after all that, whhat does that make you? Or, do you think he is a piece of **** because he represents something you don't fully understand and fear?

And which part was not understand?

It would be safe to assume they were UK fans though, would it not?

Then throw in the Kaps own actions, and his description of Castro's Cuba. He was trying to make a statement with it, just like he did with the kneeling.

So as long as they are UK fans its okay to be racist or considered racist?And not exactly. Adam Sandler has been pictured in a UK shirt, but isn't actually a fan. I think a few sports stars have lost bets to ours and been obligated to wear them. Again, they weren't fans. You also have the shirts premade for tournaments and what not tat get donated to 3rd world countries or organizations if we don't win. Those people also aren't typically fans.

If somone wore TRUMP or Maga attire, would you state they are supporting the sexual assault of women by famous men? If they wore a purple shirt, would you automatically assume they are advocating gay rights? If somone wore an NRA shirt, would you assume they are promoting gun violence and mass shootings? If somone wears a conferdeate flag logo, does that automatically mean they are racist? Of course not, so why does Castro being included on a shirt with Malcom X automatically mean he supports him and what he represents?

That's your opinion, but facts and his words present a different take.

Im pointing out his flagrant hypocrisy with hyperbole. Dear Lord.....How dense are you? Not going to pretend I care it bothers you. Rant on snowflake.

No , you're trying spin fake news and opinions off as fact in an attempt to support an ignorant argument that has zero basis. It's just not going too well for you, so instead you resort to the solid debate strategy of making **** up and name calling.

 

[Ryan Lemonds Hair]

Anyone who was critical of Tebow was also wrong. I don't agree with his message, but he has a right to promote it. Tebow wasn't shunned from the league for his views. He was shunned because he sucked as a QB and did not want to switch positions. Kaepernick was a far superior pro QB, but again he likely isn't a quality starter today. I have no issue with either being fired, that is thew NFL's right. My issue is with the indigent-minded morons who feel the need to destroy clothing while citing respect for military and whatnot. If you really cared about the military, why burn perfectly good clothes they can use?

Ahh so now you are telling people what they should or shouldn't do with their personal property? What are you a Nazi?

 

[Bill Derington]

Graf, You're using a red herring with the UK fans wearing a UK shirt. This is about an individual person, that stated he liked some of what Castro instituted.

Kap likes Malcolm X, and he likes Castro, which is fine, but be honest about it instead of jumping hrough hoops with ridiculous comparisons.

 

[fuzz77]

It's not about what they stood for politically Fuzz, do you honestly believ Kap just randomly wore a shirt with those 2 on it?

Look, I don't care what he wears, or why, what rubs me is that you guys know he wore it to make a statement, and refuse to acknowledge that because it throws doubt in his stated reason for kneeling. Just admit whats obvious and move on.

Bill, I think he purposely wore a Malcolm X shirt. The fact that Castro was on that shirt too... I don't know of anything CK believes in that tells me he aligns with Castro.

I don't think that he had the shirt custom made and I'm not so sure what choices are available in Malcolm X t-shirts these days. I can't eve remember the last time I saw one. Isn't it possible that it was the only shirt available at the time of purchase?

Again, what politically aligns X and Castro? They're both revolutionaries...period. Was that his political statement...that he wants revolution?

To paraphrase you Bill... admit that you cannot know what is in a man's mind and move on.

 

[TheGrafSpot.]

It's not about what they stood for politically Fuzz, do you honestly believ Kap just randomly wore a shirt with those 2 on it?

Look, I don't care what he wears, or why, what rubs me is that you guys know he wore it to make a statement, and refuse to acknowledge that because it throws doubt in his stated reason for kneeling. Just admit whats obvious and move on.

You mean as opposed to you trying to overstate or imply the meaning you want to support your arguement. Why can't you just admit what's obvious and move on? And if it doesn't bother you, then why argue about it or need somone to concede something about it that isn't?

That is a statement, he could've just as easily said my GF gave it to me, or any other countless reasons, but he gave that reason.

Finally you got to the root cause as to why you're supporting Kap, because of your hate for Trump, honesty at last!
Nevermind that Trump is the President, and trying to work a deal to denuclearize North Korea, or that he's trying to get out of Syria and eliminate ISIS with Russian help. How bout the crippling sanctions he's placed on both of those leaders nations, do those statements not mean anything?

He wasn't asked where he got it, he was asked about Castro and he gave an answer he was wearing in support of Malcom X. Literally, his own words. You just want to make it something more sinister to support an invalid argument.


Many better men and presidents before him have worked to denuclearize NK. It's not going to happen. It's a game they play to get global attention and aid for things they need. Particularly Plutonium and Uranium. Are you honestly ignorant enough to believe a few months after they reach nuclear capabilities and showcase bombs capable of reaching across the globe, they will just suddenly abandon that and denuclearize. This was after he called in little-rocket man of course. While we are on the topic, how do you feel about the glowing compliments he gave their murderous dictator?

The only help he is trying to get from Russia is with the upcoming elections. Crippling sanctions? Please enlighten us…. Putin and Russia seem to be thriving and NK is planning meetings with South Korea, China and other potential Asian allies as we speak.

 

[TheGrafSpot.]

Ahh so now you are telling people what they should or shouldn't do with their personal property? What are you a Nazi?

Where did I tell them what they had to do with their personal property? I stated if they really repsected the military and that's what this was really about, they would donate them to homeless vets or those in need. Burn it all you want, but don't say it's about disrespect to the military when you are shitting on their needs burning clothes they would glady accept.

Graf, You're using a red herring with the UK fans wearing a UK shirt. This is about an individual person, that stated he liked some of what Castro instituted.

Kap likes Malcolm X, and he likes Castro, which is fine, but be honest about it instead of jumping hrough hoops with ridiculous comparisons.

No, it just doesn't support your argument so it's divert divert divert at all cost for you. UK fans are still individuals, no? And also, I gave you several other expamples you dodged. If you are afraid to answer this one, how about one of those?

It's your opinion he likes Malcom X, no where did he state or imply that. By your understanding and logic, anyone wearing a Trump or Maga shirt supports sexual assault against women. Particularly wealthy men grabbing women in the crotch. They must also support that Mexicans are rapist, murderers and bad hombres. And they must also support that John McCain wasn't a real hero because he was a POW. After all, Trump literally said all of those things.

 

[Bill Derington]

You mean as opposed to you trying to overstate or imply the meaning you want to support your arguement. Why can't you just admit what's obvious and move on? And if it doesn't bother you, then why argue about it or need somone to concede something about it that isn't?




He wasn't asked where he got it, he was asked about Castro and he gave an answer he was wearing in support of Malcom X. Literally, his own words. You just want to make it something more sinister to support an invalid argument.


Many better men and presidents before him have worked to denuclearize NK. It's not going to happen. It's a game they play to get global attention and aid for things they need. Particularly Plutonium and Uranium. Are you honestly ignorant enough to believe a few months after they reach nuclear capabilities and showcase bombs capable of reaching across the globe, they will just suddenly abandon that and denuclearize. This was after he called in little-rocket man of course. While we are on the topic, how do you feel about the glowing compliments he gave their murderous dictator?

The only help he is trying to get from Russia is with the upcoming elections. Crippling sanctions? Please enlighten us…. Putin and Russia seem to be thriving and NK is planning meetings with South Korea, China and other potential Asian allies as we speak.

Because you're being dishonest, even implying an entire fan base to counter a single person that has a story we all know. He knelt during the anthem, dates a muslim activist, gave money to a convicted cop killer, and just so happens to wear a shirt with Castro/malcolm X. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a duck.

You don't know if he'll succeed in NK or not, me either, but he's trying without offering money. NK is simply part of the negotiations with China in the bigger picture.
Are you saying Trump hasn't placed stricter sanctions on Russia and NK? Really
What help from Russia, you mean the collusion that never happened? Wanna point out any evidence of that after 2 years of investigations?

 

[Bill Derington]

Where did I tell them what they had to do with their personal property? I stated if they really repsected the military and that's what this was really about, they would donate them to homeless vets or those in need. Burn it all you want, but don't say it's about disrespect to the military when you are shitting on their needs burning clothes they would glady accept.

No, it just doesn't support your argument so it's divert divert divert at all cost for you. UK fans are still individuals, no? And also, I gave you several other expamples you dodged. If you are afraid to answer this one, how about one of those?

It's your opinion he likes Malcom X, no where did he state or imply that. By your understanding and logic, anyone wearing a Trump or Maga shirt supports sexual assault against women. Particularly wealthy men grabbing women in the crotch. They must also support that Mexicans are rapist, murderers and bad hombres. And they must also support that John McCain wasn't a real hero because he was a POW. After all, Trump literally said all of those things.

What doesn't support my argument? You make a baseless statement of UK being a racist institution, it wasn't. Do we have info on each individual fan, or how bout each individual wearing MAGA gear? No
We do have info on Kapernick though, don't we. We know exactly where he stands on topics, he just made a commercial about it. We know his GF is an activist,so that more info on how he thinks.

He didn't say he wore the shirt because of Malcolm X? So we're back to the point he just picked it randomly out of his closet?

You know it's a bad look on Kap, it's why you're all in on defending it, you also have proven it;s not even about what Kap said it was about, it's all about resisting Trump for you.

A better example would be a guy wearing a Nathan B. Forrest shirt, and assuming he supports the KKK. It's a pretty safe assumption he didn't just randomly own that shirt, and knew the background. Unless you're saying Kap is an idiot, then I agree.

 

[TheGrafSpot..]

Because you're being dishonest, even implying an entire fan base to counter a single person that has a story we all know. He knelt during the anthem, dates a muslim activist, gave money to a convicted cop killer, and just so happens to wear a shirt with Castro/malcolm X. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a duck.

You don't know if he'll succeed in NK or not, me either, but he's trying without offering money. NK is simply part of the negotiations with China in the bigger picture.
Are you saying Trump hasn't placed stricter sanctions on Russia and NK? Really
What help from Russia, you mean the collusion that never happened? Wanna point out any evidence of that after 2 years of investigations?

How am I being dishonest? You are the one implying that because something is on a shirt then the person wearing must align fully with their beliefs. That's a beyond ignorant statement to make. You have been given ample examples that contradict your own argument and you just ignore them. That's being dishonest. Trying to pass opinion (which your statements are) as fact is dishonest as well.


I know he won't. Hell, even the administration has now publicly admitted talks have stalled and progress isn't likely. Also, we are offering money in response to them denuclearizing through sanction relief and economic aid. You remember the summit, right? You do know NK did not pay for the lodging or transportation of KJU and his entourage, right? Who do you think covered some of that cost along with Singapore?


He placed sanctions that will do nothing. Do you honestly think Russia or Vladimir were affected by them? Didn't they also enforce sanctions of their own in response? Also, do you not remember the whole "why would they interfere or collude in our elections?" Vlad is also a known murderer, corrupt leader and oppressor of his people. Were you okay with Trump praising him endlessly?


You mean the countless indictments that are ever growing and the strong evidence and rhetoric from both parties that states our elections were interfered with. You mean the failed mock Mueller interview he had with his personal council in the Whitehouse? Or the administration official who stated if he talked to Mueller he will end up in jail. Do you honestly think with everything that has been made public and eventually confirmed by the White House, that Russia likely doesn't have some damaging dirt on him? Everyone in the US seems to and the Kremlin is far better as acquiring intel and info than we are.

Why are all these people taking plea deals of it’s all bs and fake?

 

[TheGrafSpot..]

What doesn't support my argument? You make a baseless statement of UK being a racist institution, it wasn't. Do we have info on each individual fan, or how bout each individual wearing MAGA gear? No
We do have info on Kapernick though, don't we. We know exactly where he stands on topics, he just made a commercial about it. We know his GF is an activist,so that more info on how he thinks.

He didn't say he wore the shirt because of Malcolm X? So we're back to the point he just picked it randomly out of his closet?

You know it's a bad look on Kap, it's why you're all in on defending it, you also have proven it;s not even about what Kap said it was about, it's all about resisting Trump for you.

A better example would be a guy wearing a Nathan B. Forrest shirt, and assuming he supports the KKK. It's a pretty safe assumption he didn't just randomly own that shirt, and knew the background. Unless you're saying Kap is an idiot, then I agree.

UK has a history of racist behavior. A quick google search might enlighten you quite a bit.

Actually we do know quite a bit about a lot of them. More so in some instances that what you think you know about CK. He literally had an interview where he stated the shirt was about MalcomX and nothing to do about Castro. You have just chosen to ignore the facts and promote your own agenda.That's your right, but promoting it as fact or anything other than your opinion is completely untruthful.

Do you beleive in everything your spouse does? Does he/she define you as a person?

He wore the shirt because it has Malcom X on it. I have an unforgettables shirt that I wear it because it has UK and a couple former players I liked. Does that mean I support Richie Farmers and his illegal activity?

Do you know for a fact he didn't just pick it out?

It's a bad look if you don't like him or are against his stance. It's a great look if you are on the other side.

It's not about Trump for me. I'm a fan of Gen Kelly and Mattis. We all know they are really in charge now. They are doing no harm to me, why would I want to change that? That's just the one of the safespace arguments you all try to utilize when all else fails. Next we will hear how it was all Hillary's fault as if she is the president or something.

Maybe they like cotton. Nathan B Forrest was a prominent cotton farmer. I don't know beyond a reasonable doubt what their intentions are. I also don't judge a book by it's cover.

 

[Ryan Lemonds Hair]

Where did I tell them what they had to do with their personal property? I stated if they really repsected the military and that's what this was really about, they would donate them to homeless vets or those in need. Burn it all you want, but don't say it's about disrespect to the military when you are shitting on their needs burning clothes they would glady accept.

No, it just doesn't support your argument so it's divert divert divert at all cost for you. UK fans are still individuals, no? And also, I gave you several other expamples you dodged. If you are afraid to answer this one, how about one of those?

It's your opinion he likes Malcom X, no where did he state or imply that. By your understanding and logic, anyone wearing a Trump or Maga shirt supports sexual assault against women. Particularly wealthy men grabbing women in the crotch. They must also support that Mexicans are rapist, murderers and bad hombres. And they must also support that John McCain wasn't a real hero because he was a POW. After all, Trump literally said all of those things.

So do you think military folks are in desperate need of someone's used Nike clothes?

 

[TheGrafSpot..]

So do you think military folks are in desperate need of someone's used Nike clothes?

Homeless Veterans or those in need or struggeling financially, yes. Do you not? Do you not feel the homeless or indigent need clothing or shoes?

 

[Ryan Lemonds Hair]

Homeless Veterans or those in need or struggeling financially, yes. Do you not? Do you not feel the homeless or indigent need clothing or shoes?

Unlike you I don't assume to know what people need, want or think.

 

[Bill Derington]

How am I being dishonest? You are the one implying that because something is on a shirt then the person wearing must align fully with their beliefs. That's a beyond ignorant statement to make. You have been given ample examples that contradict your own argument and you just ignore them. That's being dishonest. Trying to pass opinion (which your statements are) as fact is dishonest as well.


I know he won't. Hell, even the administration has now publicly admitted talks have stalled and progress isn't likely. Also, we are offering money in response to them denuclearizing through sanction relief and economic aid. You remember the summit, right? You do know NK did not pay for the lodging or transportation of KJU and his entourage, right? Who do you think covered some of that cost along with Singapore?


He placed sanctions that will do nothing. Do you honestly think Russia or Vladimir were affected by them? Didn't they also enforce sanctions of their own in response? Also, do you not remember the whole "why would they interfere or collude in our elections?" Vlad is also a known murderer, corrupt leader and oppressor of his people. Were you okay with Trump praising him endlessly?


You mean the countless indictments that are ever growing and the strong evidence and rhetoric from both parties that states our elections were interfered with. You mean the failed mock Mueller interview he had with his personal council in the Whitehouse? Or the administration official who stated if he talked to Mueller he will end up in jail. Do you honestly think with everything that has been made public and eventually confirmed by the White House, that Russia likely doesn't have some damaging dirt on him? Everyone in the US seems to and the Kremlin is far better as acquiring intel and info than we are.

Why are all these people taking plea deals of it’s all bs and fake?

I never said Kap must fully align with Castro's beliefs. You haven't given examples to contradict, you throw a blanket statement over a group of millions, I thought lumping groups was bad? I'm simply using one mans prior actions that we know about to form an opinion that he didn't haphazardly wear a shirt with Castro and malcolm x on it. I'm not trying claim anything as fact, I thought it was quite obvious that it was my opinion, just as what you're arguing is simply an opinion based from emotion rather than what is blatantly obvious.

So the sanctions don't hurt Russia,you think they wanted Uraine to have deadly weapons which Trump has sold them yet Obama wouldn't? What do you want, the US to go to war with Russia over facebook meme's?
I know NK didn't pay for lodging, jesus christ, is that your rebuttal on not paying money to denuclearize? China paid for and provided his transportation. I don't know if they'll denuclearize or not peacefully, but I'm glad the President at least tried are you not?

Please provide evidence where any of the indictments show collusion, just one. I have no doubt Russia tried to meddle, as well as China and a number of other nations, but there's a far cry from facebook meme's and a campaign colluding with a foreign country. I do know Mueller just caved and agreed to let Trump have written questions and answers.

What has been made public and confirmed by the WH about Russia?

People are copping pleas because they're being offered significantly reduced sentences, of which none has anything to do with Russia or Trump.
We're 2 years into an investigation that was concocted from BS to stall or undermine Trumps election, thats it, and you idiots bought it hook line and sinker.