A program in freefall. "We are" insignificant ,
No recruiting class, a roster with suitcases packed, no coach. No hope.
No departing message from Franklin?
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No recruiting class, a roster with suitcases packed, no coach. No hope.
Who is Natty and what does he or she have that Franklin has jammed into his closet?
One thing is sure ... YOU deserve Nattys. You are the pinnacle of excellence and deserve nothing less from your fave football squad.
I never said I deserve anything - you can take your Franklin Fanboy act on the road to his next stop - I am sure no one here outside of Marshal will miss you. Boo Hoo PSU will never win again and how do you know - you don’t period you just hope so.
You suffer from the same mental malady as the guy who uttered the original phrase you co-opted?
One could argue big game saw the cupboard was bare and quit. What say thee db?
Being normal and logical does not make me a Franklin fan boy. Understanding that Franklin did quite well here, and did well by the university and the football program does not make me a Franklin fan boy. Determining that this success likely earned him the "right" to play out the season to see if he could turn it around and retain/build on the stud recruiting class he was bringing in does not make me a Franklin fan boy. Understanding that it was also in the best interests of the university to retain his services until the end of the season, so that the rot (of folks like you) doesn't creep in and contaminate too many things, does not make me a Franklin fan boy. If Franklin didn't regain the locker room, didn't perform the rest of the year and didn't retain his recruits ... then, yes, you REALLY consider firing him then (i.e. almost certainly do so). But this current situation isn't beneficial or healthy for the program. It's not about Franklin ... it's about the university and the program within. Now put your binky back in your mouth and crawl away.
Marshall just hates anyone who questions any coach, because glorified gym teachers are the pinnacle of evolution in his mind. We have nothing in common.
JF had a nice 12 year run. PSU may or may not be able to do better. But it was a preseason pseudo-2.
IMO , He was ready to leave, as much if not more than Kraft wanted him to leave.
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Let’s have an honest conversation, Marshall. Put schtick aside. How much blame do you give Franklin for this season?
so that the rot (of folks like you) doesn't creep in and contaminate too many things.
this is hilarious. I neither donate to State football nor attend home games. in what world is my ”rot” influencing the football program?
I do however enjoy blue/white (view from the tailgate) and will be in Seattle v huskies
this is hilarious. I neither donate to State football nor attend home games. in what world is my ”rot” influencing the football program?
I do however enjoy blue/white (view from the tailgate) and will be in Seattle v huskies
Percentages are difficult to determine. I will say Kraft is getting off easy right now. Lots of intrigue went on this offseason. Some has been detailed in The Lions Den...more will be coming out as players transfer and are free to speak.Suffice it to say the myth that Franklin had "everything " he needed, is just that. Kraft didn't provide the $ he promised and then told James he spent what he had poorly.
I'm fine with Franklin moving on. None of the projected candidates are his equal. Kraft handled the exit badly and the search appears to be down to tier 2 and 3 already. One thing for certain. Franklin will enjoy the next two years more than the PSU fans who think his departure is progress. Loyal PSU fans will have a team of mercenaries imported from teams they were unhappy with and pine for the likes of 34 wins in 3 season they once turned their entitled noses up at. But the good news is, the new coach may have a family they can hurl slurs at after loses.
As I've panned for years...We Deserve Better....Imo the BWICAC is getting what they deserve.
One more thing. Football is a cruel mistress. As bad as this season has unraveled...PSU is a blade of grass and an unlikely toe tap from beating Oregon and Indiana.
All is well.PSU, may contend for 4th or 5th place in the conference in 3 or 4 years.
Catch already stole some of this thunder, but my response would be: "It's what the Amazon delivery driver calls your wife when he comes 'round the back."
All of these words and you couldn’t even manage to write one negative thing about Franklin when you were only asked about him and this season.
I'm going to stick my nose in here because I think I've been a Penn State fan boy for nearly as long as Marshall2323. Yes, Marshall was a long time football coach, but he was also a league director. His perspective is truly unique.
I think that HCJF had worn out his time as CEO of the PSU Football program. His body language alone, this entire season (1st 6 games), gave me the impression that he had checked out. I saw no/little interaction with players or coaches (of course this was what the TV producers were showing me). It certainly was not what I had seen in prior seasons.
I think that the mi-season dismissal was most unfortunate. With that said, Franklin's inability to have his team prepared for UCLA and Northwestern, coupled with his team's lackluster play during the 3 gift victories really forced Kraft's hand.
I will go back to sleep now.
I think that HCJF had worn out his time as CEO of the PSU Football program. His body language alone, this entire season (1st 6 games), gave me the impression that he had checked out. I saw no/little interaction with players or coaches (of course this was what the TV producers were showing me). It certainly was not what I had seen in prior seasons.
I think that the mi-season dismissal was most unfortunate. With that said, Franklin's inability to have his team prepared for UCLA and Northwestern, coupled with his team's lackluster play during the 3 gift victories really forced Kraft's hand.
I will go back to sleep now.
The question wasn’t about Penn State, it was about Franklin. He wasn’t coaching against Indiana.
It was clear to me he wasn’t into it this year. I am not a “fire the coach” guy by any means. But I said he needed to fired after the UCLA game. That team was not prepared to play.they weren’t really up to play the first three games either. This looked every bit like a team that was unprepared to play this season.
Now, had he earned the right to have a season like this after what he had done at Penn State? No, not in my opinion. His career was good to very good. This year was an abject failure and when a coach has run his course the right move is to get him out of there. He had run his course. He was done.
I can’t wait to see how the “donors” enjoy sitting through continuous 6-6 seasons every year.
I don’t think people realize just how hard it is to win out in this expanded Conference anymore, let alone a National Championship. It’s not just Michigan and Ohio State anymore. Oregon, Washington, and USC pretty much dominated the PAC12 over the last three decades. Now we have to deal with them and cross country travel.
Everyone’s trying to adjust. Not just us. Putting together the record we did over the last three years was incredible. Nobody’s a winner every year. You make mistakes, you adjust.
Question?
A.) We have a basketball coach who has trouble beating Fairfield and is picked to end up dead last or close to it again in the Big Ten this year in his third year.
B.) We have a consistently winning football coach that went 34-8 over the last three years with a Rose Bowl win, two CFP wins, and a trip to the National semi-final.
If you HAD to fire one, which one would it be?
When you're chewing on life's gristle,
Don't grumble, give a whistle!
At 6-6 those donors will be sitting comfortably at home and their money will no longer be going to PSU athletics.
If you've followed my posts.....I said before the Oregon game that this was FRanklin's last year. One way or the other. I was aware of some of the off season incidents and issues,but not to the extent we have learned recently. I predict there will be more interesting information coming at seasons end.
I do not oppose a change. I have gone on record as stating that every effort should have been made to have him finish the season. Don't you find it curious that after losing to Oregon in double overtime.....after a 13 win season (and the fan base chanting fire Franklin) that he's loyal AD didn't come out with a statement of support?
Firing Franklin early has sent this program into a downward spiral from which it will take some time to recover. All hopes of keeping a recruiting class were lost. The key players not already graduating have more time to look for new deals elsewhere and Kraft's promise of a savior to lead the faithful to an NC...haha. He didn't anticipate openings like LSU and Florida (though he is paid to do so), that would snatch the tier one candidates with 15 million dollar offers.....and now you will be fed a first time HC or a recycled coach and like it!
Its curious that the main topics here are finding ways to blame Franklin for everything, and yet he rarely got credit for winning. Which is it?
In any event, those people who visit here who are fair....and though we can sometimes disagree, I think you are one....will soon admit....
Franklin (who has the right of refusal at VT and is just waiting for the landscape to fully develop) is in a much better situation than Penn State right now. This program is in deep trouble.
How did those “high expectations“ develop?
A.) One Coach took over a Program coming off a Round of 32 NCAA basketball appearance with full scholarship allowances. He was allowed to fill his roster cupboard as he pleased.
B.) One Coach took over a team still burdened with reduced scholarship allowances and NCAA sanctions. He was saddled with a squad consisting of only 74% of the number of scholarship players his Big Ten opponents were allowed, and two additional years of scholarship limitations.
Coach B, the coach that inherited a team with reduced scholarship allowances and working under NCAA sanctions took his team to the Rose Bowl in his third year. Does that mean we should expect no less than at least an NCAA basketball tournament appearance by Coach A in his third year?? He’s the one that was working under the more favorable conditions.