I wonder what it’s like to go through the world this dumb. It’s probably kind of nice. Like, does a dog have a lot of worries? Probably not.Knew the Scarecrow would answer. Can’t help itself !
Metric Boy - go entertain yourself with your Skills Ratings and predicting spreads and repeating metrics !
When you land on your feet, you can entertain us at all at the Circuswith your incredible talents that you continually exhibit on this board !
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Their message board must be in elite level meltdown mode
Can you imagine ours if this was us? Scary
Why is that embarrassing? Do teams in other states feel this way when they don't make a tournament?
I'm happy for both schools and don't see any reason why I shouldn't be
I would agree with last year with Jaden Ivey, but it's a terrible take in general.
Painter takes a team of overachiever, or blue collar kids, gets them to play team basketball, and pushes a roster that's probably a 4 or 5 seed on paper to a 1 seed or 2 seed level......then the coach has Inflated expectations that doesn't come close to matching the athletic abilities or talent levels and gets hammered for it.
I don't think anyone is comparing Zach Edey to Shaq, Patrick Ewing or Zion Williamson.
The forwards on Purdue aren't better than Ron Harper Jr.
The guards as freshman aren't better than Geo Baker as a sophomore or probably look like Derrick Simpson did late in the season. I'd take my chances with Derek Simpson over Braden Smith.
If this was Coach K with Cam Reddish, RJ Barrett and Zion losing to Michigan State in the Elite 8 a few years ago, no one would blink.
The story is how quick, fast and fearless, FDU plays....and the opposite side of the coin is how playing with expectations, can cause a meltdown of a good but nowhere close to dominate Purdue team.
It's crazy how a coach can get a good but not great roster to a #1 seed and gets roasted, but coaches like Tommy Lloyd (Arizona) and Juwan Howard, have better rosters and players, and get to walk away, scot-free, without a mention in the world.
Sometimes it's a fluke and other times, a team literally looks better than what a 16 seed does. If FDU is a 16 seed and Iowa State is a 6 seed, is there that big of a difference, if you have one game to judge things??
Painter needs legitimate guards folks, that backcourt isn't or wasn't scaring anyone. And if Trevion Williams is Zion, I'd give you that one.
Is Zach Edey actually better than Hunter Dickinson at Michigan?? There's no separation to me whatsoever, this notion that either Edey or Dickinson is some can't miss 10 year NBA player, isn't reality.
It's a terrible look for the B1G, so the narrative grows in talking points, but I'm not sure this Purdue roster is as talented as some others around CBB....it's nowhere near an Alabama, Duke, or Kentucky in terms of athletes and skill......if Painter loses to St Peters and Calipari also loses to St Peters in the same NCAA, why is Painter any worse than Calipari?? Cal has better players, year in and year out.....
Strange comments on Painter, he's a victim of his own overachiever status.
Painter takes a team of overachiever, or blue collar kids, gets them to play team basketball, and pushes a roster that's probably a 4 or 5 seed on paper to a 1 seed or 2 seed level......then the coach has Inflated expectations that doesn't come close to matching the athletic abilities or talent levels and gets hammered for it.
I don't think anyone is comparing Zach Edey to Shaq, Patrick Ewing or Zion Williamson.
The forwards on Purdue aren't better than Ron Harper Jr.
The guards as freshman aren't better than Geo Baker as a sophomore or probably look like Derrick Simpson did late in the season. I'd take my chances with Derek Simpson over Braden Smith.
If this was Coach K with Cam Reddish, RJ Barrett and Zion losing to Michigan State in the Elite 8 a few years ago, no one would blink.
The story is how quick, fast and fearless, FDU plays....and the opposite side of the coin is how playing with expectations, can cause a meltdown of a good but nowhere close to dominate Purdue team.
It's crazy how a coach can get a good but not great roster to a #1 seed and gets roasted, but coaches like Tommy Lloyd (Arizona) and Juwan Howard, have better rosters and players, and get to walk away, scot-free, without a mention in the world.
Sometimes it's a fluke and other times, a team literally looks better than what a 16 seed does. If FDU is a 16 seed and Iowa State is a 6 seed, is there that big of a difference, if you have one game to judge things??
Painter needs legitimate guards folks, that backcourt isn't or wasn't scaring anyone. And if Trevion Williams is Zion, I'd give you that one.
Is Zach Edey actually better than Hunter Dickinson at Michigan?? There's no separation to me whatsoever, this notion that either Edey or Dickinson is some can't miss 10 year NBA player, isn't reality.
It's a terrible look for the B1G, so the narrative grows in talking points, but I'm not sure this Purdue roster is as talented as some others around CBB....it's nowhere near an Alabama, Duke, or Kentucky in terms of athletes and skill......if Painter loses to St Peters and Calipari also loses to St Peters in the same NCAA, why is Painter any worse than Calipari?? Cal has better players, year in and year out.....
Strange comments on Painter, he's a victim of his own overachiever status.
I can't comment on Purdue or their coaching.
But whoever is saying this about Edey is crazy. He isn't even a lock to be drafted at all - let alone a can't miss 10 year player.
I wouldn't be surprised if he does the "declare and return" show this offseason.
Doesn't he have 2 years remaining?
His defense is unplayable in the NBA.
Nobody is saying that. Hawk is talking out of his ***.
Edey is likely a second round draft pick, and there is still a place for players like him in the NBA, though he is certainly not the prototype. That said, he has been the best player in college basketball this year (it is a very different game from the pros), and today’s loss has little to do with him, Purdue didn’t get him the ball like they should have in the 2nd half.
How silly or dumb is that thought. FDU didn’t even win their tourney , they lost to Merrimack in the final but bc of the stupid rule that when you are transitioning from D2 to D1 you are ineligible for 4 years.
Princeton Ivy tourney is only the top 4 teams. Both teams didn’t win their conferences in the regular season.
What records do you think FDU and Princeton have in the BIG 10 and Big East grind. ?
This is March Madness. Crazy illogical things happen.
Just let’s credit FDU for 2 tremendous games and credit Princeton for taking down Arizona because they were tougher and rebounded with them. They didn’t win with a 3 point mirage as they were 5-28 making the win even more impressive.
Let’s celebrate both of them. Without bringing in Rutgers or Seton Hall that have it like 10 times harder.
Jersey Strong.
Painter has lost to a 13 seed, 15 seed, and 16 seed in successive seasons. Yikes. At least there is no 17 seed for next season.
100%How silly or dumb is that thought. FDU didn’t even win their tourney , they lost to Merrimack in the final but bc of the stupid rule that when you are transitioning from D2 to D1 you are ineligible for 4 years.
Princeton Ivy tourney is only the top 4 teams. Both teams didn’t win their conferences in the regular season.
What records do you think FDU and Princeton have in the BIG 10 and Big East grind. ?
This is March Madness. Crazy illogical things happen.
Just let’s credit FDU for 2 tremendous games and credit Princeton for taking down Arizona because they were tougher and rebounded with them. They didn’t win with a 3 point mirage as they were 5-28 making the win even more impressive.
Let’s celebrate both of them. Without bringing in Rutgers or Seton Hall that have it like 10 times harder.
Jersey Strong.
Waiting for your apology for calling me names all season. Maybe you should rethink your attitude, when I school you every time.
Purdues scouting report has been out for a while now.
Pressure the young guards and they become uncomfortable and make mistakes.
We did that to them in the BTT game and I thought painter was smart to stick Smith on the bench for a bit and let the older guards handle it for a while.
In this game he rolled with Smith.
Also, why did Edey only take 11 shots? The guy went 21 and 15 on 7-11 shooting. Feed the guy the damn ball. Crazy.
Pressure the young guards and they become uncomfortable and make mistakes.
We did that to them in the BTT game and I thought painter was smart to stick Smith on the bench for a bit and let the older guards handle it for a while.
In this game he rolled with Smith.
Also, why did Edey only take 11 shots? The guy went 21 and 15 on 7-11 shooting. Feed the guy the damn ball. Crazy.
It's what I do best, break down the facts.
The loss was hideous and preventable by pushing thr ball and scoring, but Purdue doesn't have the athletes to play up tempo for 40 minutes. They were always susceptible to being beaten before the Elite 8 or even Sweet 16.
If someone wants to tell me who Purdue's "go to" guard is OR who their forwards are that can get their own shot, I'd love to hear it.....the reality is, Purdue is not Michigan on paper. There is a reason RU matches up with them on paper and was able to beat Purdue more often than not in the last 4 years BUT, wasn't exactly bringing RU fans confidence they could beat Michigan.
It's embarrassing for Purdue and Painter. I really think Painter was a much smarter and better coach when Carsen Edwards, Vince Edwards, Moore, and Caleb Swanigan etc played 4 or 5 years ago. Maybe it was because that roster had better guards, better players that this current "1-seed".
No one had Purdue winning the National Championship....very few people had them going to the Final Four.
Painter is now at a crossroads of having the pressure to recruit over Braden Smith and Foster Loyer as a freshman backcourt. They're just average guards.
The larger question is, how good is Purdue if you removed Edey from their roster. Would they play faster and more up tempo ?? Or would they fall to a 12-8 or 11-9 in the B1G??
Edey is a unique player, but player for player, I don't see RU being miles behind Purdue in terms of talent at the wings or at the guards, if RU lands a couple of players this spring and certainly into 2024 recruiting.
If you have #1 seed talent like Duke or Uconn....or have a Final Four team 1 year ago like North Carolina....and Duke is a 4 or 5 seed and UConn is a #4 seed, why aren't those coaches blamed for underachieving for 4 months??
Hubert Davis and Juwan Howard missed the NCAAs altogether....no one is going to tell me Purdue has better players than Carolina, UConn, Duke, Kentucky, Kansas, etc, it's simply not true.
The B1G doesn't have the elite footspeed at guard and on the wings. I tried to explain that 3 years ago, when fans were going gaga over how talented Jacob Young was.
Jacob Young was an outlier in a B1G that didn't have guards at his athletic abilities....so when he played his level of defense, his speed and talent, impacted rosters way more than if he was in other conferences. He was 1 of 4 or 5 guards with the same speed and quickness recruited at Texas. He comes here and his game is elevated.
I believe RU and Pike with how we are recruiting, is adding shooting, more speed (Simpson, Griffiths, Ngongo, Warren, Davis, Bailey)....simply putting on their HS tape, the skill and athletic abilities are clear and obvious.
The B1G has some other good guards with quickness at Ohio State. But as a league, it's not quick enough with the length at the wings and guards to matchup.
If that's blaming Matt Painter, then that's fine. But they really aren't "elite", and the speed and quickness RU bothered Purdue with in the last 3 to 4 years, is exactly what FDU or someone else was going to do to Purdue. It just happened in a 1 to 16 last night. It was going to happen, once they matchup presented itself.
You sound a lot like a 13 year old girl with most of your posts. Are you on the spectrum or is this just bad trolling?
Smith and the other freshman guard started the season on fire and at some point smith lost confidence in his shot. I would agree painter got a lot out of the roster. Very solid but not spectacular imo. I don’t think many felt great about Purdue reaching the final four. I know it’s controversial but part of their success in the big is a friendly whistle just my opinion of course
A review of the last 5 years of recruiting ranking would suggest this take is correct. Calling out coaches should be for Memphis, Duke etc
WTF? Now Purdue isn't actually that good?
What happened to "If you beat the #1 team on the road and play them close in the BTT then you deserve to be in the tournament!!"
So our best win wasn't so good anymore because Purdue isn't actually good?
Playing them close wasn't a sign we turned things around.
Maybe we didn't deserve to be in after all since Purdue wasn't so good.
What happened to "If you beat the #1 team on the road and play them close in the BTT then you deserve to be in the tournament!!"
So our best win wasn't so good anymore because Purdue isn't actually good?
Playing them close wasn't a sign we turned things around.
Maybe we didn't deserve to be in after all since Purdue wasn't so good.
Why?
It has nothing to do with us
We have qualified for the tourney 3out of 4 years
We were in a transition year and if not for injuries we go in as a 6 or 7 seed
Would you trade players , coaches or overall programs with any of these schools
Route for Jersey Basketball
If things continue to fall into place here
It will get pretty exciting around here
This is all on Painter. He was unprepared for the obvious game plan FDU would use and he made no in-game adjustments - for example, replace a point guard who has 7 TO's by the middle of the 2nd half and get it to Edey every time down (passing it high so it can't be stolen) instead of chucking up 3's when you're shooting under 20%.
And yeah, our conference needs more quick, athletic guards. At least, Pike realizes that and is moving in that direction.
And yeah, our conference needs more quick, athletic guards. At least, Pike realizes that and is moving in that direction.
No they are obviously a very good team but from a pure talent standpoint ie nba type players they aren’t that type of team. That was my point anyway but I’m not surprised they didn’t make the final four because I thought they got a friendly whistle which helped them in the BIG. They are still a very good team.
I think Pike saw the writing on the wall of this happening in the B1G by bringing in guys like Jalen Miller, Derek Simpson, JaMichael Davis the last 3 years, and Warren in 24. Pike was ahead of the B1G curve whether you want to acknowledge it or not, other coaches will follow. He brought in who he could between 2017-20 and did the best with who wanted to be here and bought in, this new crop will be the evolution of Pike's teams going forward.
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It's a Jersey thing with Purdue. NJ haunts them. Even when they break whiteboards. Good work by @ChrisNalwasky and @MrsScrew on this:
I am a huge CBB, CFB and NFL follower fan and I follow MLB, but not as closely as 10 or 20 years ago.
There is a pattern of things that tend to make more sense, once you look at things over a longer period of time.
I have a post that's probably going to make sense, that I'm working on for B1G and recruiting and once that's posted, it's going to highlight what many believe are "differences" in terms of quality of coaches, coaching styles and how that matters over the short or long-term. I think RU fans are going to likely either get very excited or very concerned (depending on how fans are negative or overly positive).
No one can control who gets ranked or not ranked on a weekly basis....the voting is not an evaluation of talent, it just tells you who won or has won the most games in the last few weeks.
I would assume you are smart enough to know that if RU defeated San Diego State or Nevada, it would not be viewed or taken the same as beating a more "recognized or ranked opponent", like a UConn, Duke or "blue blood".
Blue blood programs are underachieving just as much as teams like Purdue, exceed their actual talent level. It's part of the sport and why it is so popular.
Yet, I keep seeing that it's so much easier to win in basketball than football, which is or shows annually to have never been ever true.
Football is significantly easier to win at, it simply comes down to recruiting as many players for a 3 to 4 year pattern in a row, because players have to stay in college football for at least 3 years. In CBB, if you have a talented freshman, that kid is off to the Pros or NBA.
CBB "used to be", more difficult to win in, 20 to 30 years ago. Do you imagine the impact a Dylan Harper, Ace Bailey, Deliquan Warren, Gavin Griffiths and others would mean to a RU program if they "had to" stay a minimum of 3 seasons??
There would be a fear of transfers, but before, a player had to sit out a year, if they transferred.
That's the reality, but somehow gets lost in narratives. There's a reason why Duke won in the early 90s, Grant Hilll, Bobby Hurley, Laettner....other great players were required to stay in school. Michigan's Fab 5, played 3 years in college...
I could be wrong (but I'm not). The reason Purdue was considered a strong team wasn't because they had elite talent...they have a unique players that isn't really a NBA all Star and is now in his 3rd year of college in Edey. I would like to think a good but not great player at 7'3", would have his team in the Top 10, if there are reasonably decent players around him.
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I swear someone falsified the box score because I thought they shot 75% from 3, but the stupid box score somehow had them at 38%.
But that didn't happen against FDU. ZE took 1 shot over the last 12 minutes.
Bigs can be stopped by triple teaming the post and hoping perimeter players miss 3s.