No wonder TX A&M is recruiting so well . . . . .

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ESPN names 12 best recruiters in the country


One of the biggest components of building a winning college football program is making a name for yourself on the recruiting trail. Recruiting is a year-round job and takes an entire staff working together to convince elite prospects their school is better than all the rest. There are a lot of staffs that do an incredible job carrying out their recruiting strategies, but the 12 recruiters on this list stand out because of their ability to recruit players who fit their systems in and out of their home state.
Deke Adams, North Carolina defensive line coach
The Tar Heels are working toward getting back to prominence in the ACC, and Adams has done his part to retool his defensive line for the future. ESPN 150 defensive tackle Greg Webb (Erial, N.J./Timber Creek) was a big out-of-state get for North Carolina, and four-star Nazair Jones (Roanoke Rapids, N.C./Roanoke Rapids) is a nearby prospect with solid potential. Other defensive linemen Adams helped reel in are Marquis Haynes, Dajuan Drennon and Monte Taylor. He also helped pull three-star athlete Donnie Miles from Georgia, and has them in the mix for offensive lineman Delando Crooks, who recently was in Chapel Hill on an official visit.
--Kipp Adams
David Beaty, Texas A&M wide receivers coach
No college football program has more commits than Texas A&M, and of the team's 34 commits, Beaty has been solid in picking up players from the greater Dallas area. Beaty's latest pickup arguably was his biggest coup, as ESPN 150 defensive tackle Justin Manning (Dallas/Kimball) gave his verbal pledge. Beaty has been instrumental in grabbing quarterback Kenny Hill (Southlake, Texas/Carroll) and defensive tackle Kerrick Huggins (Dallas/Skyline). Beaty has been just as effective with 2014 commits as he has with 2013 commits. Cornerback Cedric Collins (Dallas/Skyline) committed to the Aggies in August, and athlete Nick Harvey (Lancaster, Texas/Lancaster) committed in November.
-- Damon Sayles
James Coley, Florida State offensive coordinator/tight ends coach
Florida State has lost three assistants this offseason already but keeping the Miami-born Coley from joining Mark Stoops and D.J. Eliot at Kentucky will be the key factor in what's expected to be a strong close for the Seminoles. Coley is highly regarded among high school coaches and prospects everywhere he goes but especially in talent-rich south Florida. With the recent departure of running backs coach Eddie Gran, Coley's ability to develop relationships with prospects in Miami-Dade and Broward County is needed more than ever.
-- Corey Long
D.J. Durkin, Florida linebackers coach/special teams coordinator
[+] Enlarge Kim Klement/US Presswire D.J. Durkin has been on fire on the recruiting trail the past two years.


Durkin has been on fire over the past two years for the Gators. This season he has had a major hand in securing commitments from ESPN 300 linebacker prospects Daniel McMillian (Jacksonville, Fla./First Coast), Matt Rolin (Ashburn, Va./Briar Woods) and James Hearns (Tallahassee, Fla./Lincoln). Last year, Durkin was an ace recruiter for the Gators in North Carolina where he secured two of the state's biggest prospects: offensive lineman D.J. Humphries and defensive lineman Jonathan Bullard.
-- Corey Long
Bobby Engram, Pitt wide receivers coach
Pitt fans were not too happy with the recruiting job Paul Chryst was doing at Pitt until just a few weeks ago, and a lot of that has to do with Bobby Engram. The remaining top two targets for the Panthers are Tyler Boyd and Robert Foster, two of the more dynamic receivers in the country, and both are being recruited by Engram. Both have talked at length about their relationships with Engram, and at the moment look to be Pitt leans. If Engram lands both, it might not be long before a big-time program is recruiting him for a job.
-- Jared Shanker
Hugh Freeze, Ole Miss head coach
When Ole Miss hired Hugh Freeze, he was expected to be a solid recruiter in Mississippi and in Memphis since he has history in both locales. Freeze hasn't stopped there. The first-year Rebels head coach has reached into the Midwest and has Ole Miss in the lead for receiver Laquon Treadwell (Crete, Ill./Monee). He is considered the top receiver in the nation. Freeze is also in great shape for the nation's top overall prospect: defensive end Robert Nkemdiche (Loganville, Ga./Grayson). Ole Miss' 2013 class ranks No. 21 in the nation with 21 commitments, including four in the ESPN 300.
--Dave Hooker
John Lilly, Georgia tight ends coach
A former recruiting coordinator at Florida State, Lilly has been an instrumental part of the Bulldogs' recruiting success since his arrival almost five years ago. His ability to connect to prospects and their families has helped the Bulldogs continue to reel in top talent. While Georgia typically uses multiple coaches with every prospect, Lilly has made been the recruiter of record for several commitments during the 2013 recruiting cycle, including tight end Jordan Davis (Thomson, Ga./Thomson), ESPN 150 prospects Tramel Terry (Goose Creek, S.C./Goose Creek) and Tray Matthews (Newnan, Ga./Newnan), ESPN 300 prospects Reggie Wilkerson (Citra, Fla./North Marion) and Reggie Davis (Tallahassee, Fla./Lincoln). He also is the key recruiter for two remaining elite targets in five-star offensive lineman Laremy Tunsil (Lake City, Fla./Columbia) and linebacker Reuben Foster (Auburn, Ala./Alabama).
--Kipp Adams
Tosh Lupoi, Washington defensive line coach
[+] Enlarge Jesse Beals/Icon SMI Recruits have said Tosh Lupoi's ability to relate to them personally is a big reason they are drawn to him.


Lupoi has earned every bit of his reputation as perhaps the Pac-12's best recruiter. With him, Cal became a realistic destination for the West's top players, and defensive linemen in particular. Recruits constantly cite Lupoi's ability to relate to them on all levels, both on and away from the field, which makes him such a dynamic recruiter. All the evidence needed to prove Lupoi's prowess on the recruiting trail came last year, when he left Cal for Washington and the Golden Bears went from prohibitive favorites to land Shaq Thompson, Arik Armstead, Ellis McCarthy and Jordan Payton to signing none of the four.
-- Erik McKinney
Clarence McKinney, Texas A&M running backs coach/recruiting coordinator
What Beaty has done with recruiting in the greater Dallas area, McKinney has done in the Houston area. Most recently, McKinney watched the nation's top-ranked athlete, Ricky Seals-Jones (Sealy, Texas/Sealy) give his verbal commitment on Monday. McKinney also had a role in recruiting players like the Manvel, Texas, combination of wide receiver Kyrion Parker and Tavares Garner. The McKinney train has spilled over into the 2014 recruiting class, as running back Shaun Nixon (Austin, Texas/Lake Travis) committed to the Aggies earlier this month.
-- Damon Sayles
Bill O'Brien, Penn State head coach
The Nittany Lions' 2013 recruiting class -- and maybe even the entire program -- might have been in complete disarray if not for the job O'Brien has done. He was putting together a top-15 class before the sanctions, and despite losing some major commitments in July and August, O'Brien was able to hold on to Adam Breneman and Christian Hackenberg, who are both No. 1 at their respective positions nationally. Four-stars Brendan Mahon, Andrew Nelson and Garrett Sickels also stayed, and O'Brien recently added four-star DaeSean Hamilton.
-- Jared Shanker
Ed Orgeron, USC defensive and recruiting coordinator
A living legend in the recruiting game, Orgeron continues to help the USC Trojans stockpile talent. The Trojans needed an influx of talent along the defensive line, and Orgeron spearheaded an attack that landed five ESPN 300 linemen, including the Nos. 2 and 4 defensive tackles in the country. One of those recruits, four-star Eddie Vanderdoes, said he would likely look into his other options if Orgeron were to take another job. It's not the first time a recruit shared those sentiments, which is a testament to the bond Orgeron is able to create and the belief he instills in many players that he will be able to bring the best out of them during their college careers.
-- Erik McKinney
Lance Thompson, Alabama linebackers coach
Thompson showed his versatility when he left Tennessee to return to Alabama in January. Thompson has long been associated with recruiting in the Southeast. He has now expanded his territory into the East region where he has been effective in the areas surrounding Washington, D.C., Baltimore, Md., and Virginia while keeping his southern roots. Thompson has helped secure commitments from three four-star prospects: defensive end Jonathan Allen (Ashburn, Va./Stone Bridge), offensive tackle Grant Hill (Huntsville, Ala./Huntsville) and athlete Ardarius Stewart (Fultondale, Ala./Fultondale).
-- Dave Hooker
 

DAWG61

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aTm has 34 committs. How is that allowed? I thought the SEC put an end to the oversigning days.
 

patdog

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I guess there's no limit on committments, but as far as I know the SEC does still have a hard 25 limit on signees, plus any that can still be counted towards the prior year's limit.
 

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Explanation from an Bama fan that makes sense:

"The ncaa rule is you cannot sign more than 28 recruits to LOI's per recruiting class. In the SEC you cannot sign more than 25 LOI's per recruiting class, but in both cases you can back count recruits to the last year class.

That is what A&M is doing. They only signed 19 last year and back counted three to the 2011 class and therefore can back count up to nine to the 2012 class if those recruits are early enrollees. So, A&M could bring in a total of 34 recruits if it has enough EE's.

Sumlin took a chance last year and undersigned, thinking he could bring in better recruits as EE's and it seems he was right. It was a good call by Sumlin."

edited to add: I meant to say "a" in the title and not "an"
 
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DAWG61

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Damn Sumlin is good. I only count 3 Juco's out of the 34 so does he need all 3 of them plus 6 more HS committs to all enroll in January to get away with signing 34?
 

engie

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Damn Sumlin is good. I only count 3 Juco's out of the 34 so does he need all 3 of them plus 6 more HS committs to all enroll in January to get away with signing 34?

Correct. He's got a bunch of EE's... in Texas, good athletes often setup their HS experience to graduate a semester early...

By my count(from a few weeks ago) they can sign 35 this year - with 10 of those counting back.
 

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I agree ...

with all except I thought that a team could only count up to 3 mid-year signees in addition to the 25 (28 max).

I do know that A&M has some commits with zero to slim chance of qualifying. That hasn't slowed them down much and their are bringing more in for visits.
 

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these lists make some sense, but they don't really tell the whole story - if you have a commit from a big recruit or are in on a few then suddenly you're one of the best in the biz.

A&M is a product of being in a great state for talent - having a ton of media attention due to the SEC move, Johnny Football and beating Bama + the Longhorns have been gimpy the past few years.

Freeze is on the list mostly b/c of RK and it's not like it was his idea to sign his brother - that was the reverand.

Not saying he's not a bad recruiter - just using that as point to say these lists get blown out of proportion sometimes
 

121Josey

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Bump to this

I believe the rule is 3 retro-active recruits.

"That was the first time that I know of that Saban was called out on his practice of oversigning the roster and it was pretty apparent that he didn't take too kindly to the line of questioning. The following year, we saw Houston Nutt sign 37 players, which led to the "Huston Nutt Rule" in the SEC which limited the number of players that could be signed to 28 each year. And from then on I have followed oversigning very closely, which ultimately led to the creation of the website as I mentioned earlier."

http://collegefootball.about.com/od...rsigning-College-Footballs-Hidden-Problem.htm

And what ever happened to the talk about binding offers from August forward?

"In the summer of 2010, the NCAA changed the written offer date from Sept. 1 of a recruit's junior season to Aug. 1 of their senior year. This means universities can show a recruit it's interested, but not be locked in to giving a scholarship if something better comes along."

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf...h-freeze-blankets-country-more-162832015.html
 

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^^^^This^^^. aTm can have 197 commitments if they want. Problem is they are going to have to "process" a couple guys since their class is picking up monumental steam. Upper echelon schools can get away with it because they can afford to burn a few bridges. We can't. From what I hear, they have 4-6 guys destined for JUCO anyway. One them is Derrick Griffin.
 

engie

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There is no rule limiting the number of guys you can count back... it's strictly mathematical.

The whole NCAA has the same signing rules now - 25/yr with EEs having the ability to count toward the previous year. It's not complicated once you fully understand it.

Ex:
2008 - sign 28(2 EE's)
2009 - sign 27(3 EE's)
2010 - sign 21(4 EE's)
2011 - sign 19(2 EE's)
2012 - sign 21(5 EE's)
2013 - How many possible?

You go back to the last season where you effectively oversigned(under the new rule change). You oversigned in 2008, so you can't count back the 3 from 2009 to get you under the 25 limit. So, 2009 is essentially your starting point.

In 2010, you signed 21 and 4 EE's, but you can't count those back because you oversigned in 2009 - you must have room for the previous class to fall under the 25 limit. This leaves you with room for 4 EE's.

In 2011, you signed 19 with 2 EE's. You had space for 4, but you didn't fill 2 slots. So, in essence, 2 of those guys count toward the 2010 class, while the other 2 still count for 2011. This gives you 17 signees for 2011. You have room for 8 EE's.

In 2012, you signed 21 with 5 EE's. You had space for 8 EE's, but you didn't fill 3 slots. So, essentially, you count back all 5 EE's, This gives you 16 signees for 2012, with room to count back 9 EE's.

In 2013, you have space for 9 EE's + 25 normal signees, leaving you with a magic number of 34.

The key in this is to always, always try to fill your EE allotment. The example team basically wasted 5 scholarship opportunities by not doing that. That is how you can quickly end up with a depleted roster if you aren't careful. This part is much more important than signing your highschool limit of 25 every season.
 
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121Josey

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Proof. I stand by the max number 28. Show me someone that has counted back more than 3 EE's under the new rules or a link to the rule stating that EE's are unlimited to reach 25.

ETA: Proof
"In January, the Division I Legislative Council approved legislation for Football Bowl Subdivision programs to specify an annual limit of 28 on the number of prospective student-athletes who may sign a National Letter of Intent or an institutional offer of financial aid from the initial signing date of the regular signing period of the National Letter of Intent through May 31."

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/Test/Issues/Recruiting/Football+Recruiting
 
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patdog

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You can stand by it all you want to, but you're wrong. The rule you link only applies to THIS year's signing class. And the SEC rule is 25, not 28. The early enrollees are included in LAST year's signing class and Texas A&M still has room for 9 more players in that class. Even the rule you link clearly states that it's effective from the initial signing date of the regular signing period of the National Letter of Intent through May 31. The early enrollees that are part of last year's signing class will already be in school for about a month before that period even begins.
 

engie

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That rule is very convoluted - Read the actual NCAA bylaw 15.5.6.1 - http://canesinsight.co/showthread.p...ght-from-NCAA-Hand-book&p=1144181#post1144181

From other locations:

The NCAA allows football teams to add up to 25 new scholarship players to the roster per academic year, so long as the total number of scholarship players does not exceed 85.

NCAA recruiting regulations limit college football teams to signing 25 players to football scholarships each year, with certain exceptions. A team can not sign more than 25 players to scholarships in a given year if it has used the full 25 in the previous year. If the team used fewer than 25 scholarships the previous year, the additional players above 25 for the new season must enroll in December of the year before the football season in which they intend to play. Regardless of how many players a college signs, they must remain below the maximum permitted number of scholarships. Over-signing is done to prepare for the possibility that some players who were offered scholarships fail to qualify academically, or to make up for previous years where the school could not sign their full allotment.


What the new - future - rule you are linking does is limit back counting. It's not yet applicable.
 
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engie

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Ok so how many EE can Mullen sign on top of the 25 for this class?

None - We signed our full allotment last year, so we can't count back anything, other than Coman and Samuel being allowed to count toward their initial signing date, so I guess you could say that they count back. The other 25 count toward this year's class.
 

engie

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Proof. I stand by the max number 28. Show me someone that has counted back more than 3 EE's under the new rules or a link to the rule stating that EE's are unlimited to reach 25.

How would you like us to go about proving that to you, since those new rules haven't even affected a signing class yet?

This year's class still falls under the previous rules - which I explained. That's why everyone is stocking their talent to the gills and using up every possible scholarship - because in the future, they will not be able to do that anymore.