Noah and Perry ?

[Delk4three]

Noah and Perry should in my opinion redshirt this coming year with the amount of players in front of them who have. It would still allow them to practice and work on their games/get NIL and not have them waste a year of eligibility sitting the bench all year unless there is mop up time. Thoughts?

 

[jedwar]

I think that would benefit both greatly if they want to potentially contribute as upperclassmen eventually. I know they'd come back as sophmores if they redshirted.

 

[bucsrule8872]

Noah and Perry should in my opinion redshirt this coming year with the amount of players in front of them who have. It would still allow them to practice and work on their games/get NIL and not have them waste a year of eligibility sitting the bench all year unless there is mop up time. Thoughts?

That’s an option, but that leaves only 11 guys. If we learned anything from last season, its injuries can happen by the boat load. We might need them.

 

[MdWIldcat55]

My thought is that the season is a long and winding road. Neither Perry nor Noah were expected to play at all last year -- then injuries happened and they both contributed. They are MORE likely to contribute this year with a full year in Pope's system.

And why redshirt? So in three years Pope can't recruit over them either in the portal or from the HS senior class because of some implied promise that they would start?

Redshirt to me is one of those things that works about once every 30 years -- the only example at Kentucky I can think of is 1997 and Jeff Sheppard, and even that year it would have been nice to have him when Derek Anderson went down (though nicer to have him in 98, as it turned out.)

 

[Bungalow Bill]

Don't have to make that determination until well into the preconference schedule so way to early to worry about that. We're absolutely loaded.

 

[BluestBlood]

I don’t get the hype for a redshirt anymore, in the past it made sense, waiting for an open spot as you matured but now with NIL, you have non stop maturing coming in every year.
If they want to experience UK and be a difference maker they stay all 4 or 5 years that they can and they can write their checks after that for whatever. It takes commitment and loyalty and Kentucky will forever show you gratitude back well into your retirement age. Theyll still be valuable pieces imo, lucky to have them both.
I don’t see the fascination in mon stop threads regarding their playing time, I believe them to be content and happy to provide a winning culture for their fans. No matter what

 

[trueblujr]

Noah and Perry should in my opinion redshirt this coming year with the amount of players in front of them who have. It would still allow them to practice and work on their games/get NIL and not have them waste a year of eligibility sitting the bench all year unless there is mop up time. Thoughts?

In a perfect world I think we would all agree they would benefit. but in today's day and age, I'm just not sure they would ever agree to that. But it sure would be nice if they could be like Pelphrey and Feldhaus back in the day. Sheppard too. I think they could benefit much like those guys all did.

 

[Delk4three]

That’s an option, but that leaves only 11 guys. If we learned anything from last season, its injuries can happen by the boat load. We might need them.

They are still on the team, If it became apparent that 1 of them needs a redshirt pulled, so be it, otherwise I think it would help more the long term development of them as players and our program to have them to redshirt with the team we have next year.

 

[JonathanW_rivals]

Noah and Perry should in my opinion redshirt this coming year with the amount of players in front of them who have. It would still allow them to practice and work on their games/get NIL and not have them waste a year of eligibility sitting the bench all year unless there is mop up time. Thoughts?

Maybe 1, not both. We had 12 guys last year, so we are only at 1 more than that. And I can think of at least one game where those 2 plus Chandler played like 60 minutes combined.

 

[KA4Prez_rivals78700]

A redshirt means you preserve eligibility AND get NIL. It's the best of both worlds unless you plan to end your college career sooner rather than later.

 

[trueblujr]

That’s an option, but that leaves only 11 guys. If we learned anything from last season, its injuries can happen by the boat load. We might need them.

We can have a roster of up to 15. Go grab a couple more transfers willing to be role players for a year.

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

My thought is that the season is a long and winding road. Neither Perry nor Noah were expected to play at all last year -- then injuries happened and they both contributed. They are MORE likely to contribute this year with a full year in Pope's system.

And why redshirt? So in three years Pope can't recruit over them either in the portal or from the HS senior class because of some implied promise that they would start?

Redshirt to me is one of those things that works about once every 30 years -- the only example at Kentucky I can think of is 1997 and Jeff Sheppard, and even that year it would have been nice to have him when Derek Anderson went down (though nicer to have him in 98, as it turned out.)

Would the implication of redshirting be that they would start, or eventually grow to become continuous rotation players? I think it would clearly be the latter.

Also, the old transfer rule basically made guys a redshirt player for a year while learning Pitino's system, developing physically, and maturing mentally. Anderson, Ford, Padgett, Prickett, Sheppard, and Evans all went through some form (either outright redshirt or a redshirt transfer season) of that process, and it worked well in each case.

 

[Drohleder]

Noah and Perry should in my opinion redshirt this coming year with the amount of players in front of them who have. It would still allow them to practice and work on their games/get NIL and not have them waste a year of eligibility sitting the bench all year unless there is mop up time. Thoughts?

IMO - that is a lot to ask unless it was their idea.

 

[bucsrule8872]

They are still on the team, If it became apparent that 1 of them needs a redshirt pulled, so be it, otherwise I think it would help more the long term development of them as players and our program to have them to redshirt with the team we have next year.

I’d hate for a kid to go all year as a redshirt and then have to burn it because someone got hurt in late January. That seems a little unfair. They would lose out on their chance to play early in the season against some lesser competition where they could thrive.

But I guess if one or both wanted to take that chance, it’s up to them.

I guess it’s fun to discuss, but it’s up to Pope and the players, really.

Pope should have some good insight, since he had to sit out a year when he came here from Washington. Different circumstance, but if he thinks sitting out a year is beneficial, maybe he suggests it to one or both.

 

[bucsrule8872]

If it’s about retention and development, a redshirt is probably a good idea. Pelphrey and Feldhaus both used a redshirt and they really contributed to a very good team as fifth year Seniors. I know it’s a different era, but I think retention and development is critical and that could help with the development part. An extra year to mature wouldn’t hurt either one of them.

 

[LadyCaytIL]

That’s an option, but that leaves only 11 guys. If we learned anything from last season, its injuries can happen by the boat load. We might need them.

We can try to get a 12th guy like Hawthorne and then you can always pull their redshirts and play them if injuries mount. Last year was historic for injuries, its not going to be that bad again

 

[sosoblue]

There is definitely room for Noah but Perry YES (redshirt).

 

[BigKari]

I always said I wished Cal would’ve either redshirted Willis and Hawkins or folded them into the platoon (where they rotated in for Poythress’s spot getting ~8mpg each). Instead the platoon was more or less scrapped after non conference, while Willis and Hawkins saw mop up minutes at best (but negligible because Cal needed to get the rotation all their minutes). They were both great role players as Seniors and would’ve plugged right back into those roles as Super Seniors on the SGA/Knox team.

Put the redshirt on them both and work on getting them to an SEC level of physicality and working on speed and explosiveness. If 2 guards happen to go down with extended injuries, then you talk to Perry about pulling his shirt. Same for Noah if we get unlucky and two wings go down.

 

[KFuqua]

There's room for all of them. Be happy that we have a very talented team that will be able to play Pope's style and should do the BBN proud!! Redshirting just doesn't make sense to me unless there's an injury involved.

 

[TomTraubertsBlues]

Yes, but realistically, won't that be the case every year? Pope isn't going to stop going after better players.

 

[megablue]

Yes, but realistically, won't that be the case every year? Pope isn't going to stop going after better players.

Yes. I agree. Pope knows the assignment.

 

[UKWildcats1987]

I dont see redshirting preventing Pope from signing way better players every season. It will just be over 5 seasons instead of 4.

 

[Tampa_cat54_rivals112262]

Noah is going to win us a couple of games this upcoming season.

We said the same thing about Almonor and that came true.

Noah will have a place and he'll knock down some big shots when the time is right.

There will be a game where shots aren't falling for Jasper/Lowe/Aberdeen, and Noah will come in and hit 2 big ones in the 2nd half and win us the game.

Bookmark it, it's going to happen.

 

[4Frusciante#]

I don’t get the hype for a redshirt anymore, in the past it made sense, waiting for an open spot as you matured but now with NIL, you have non stop maturing coming in every year.
If they want to experience UK and be a difference maker they stay all 4 or 5 years that they can and they can write their checks after that for whatever. It takes commitment and loyalty and Kentucky will forever show you gratitude back well into your retirement age. Theyll still be valuable pieces imo, lucky to have them both.
I don’t see the fascination in mon stop threads regarding their playing time, I believe them to be content and happy to provide a winning culture for their fans. No matter what

It makes more sense now. Perry and Noah will likely never play in the NBA so college is when they will make the most money playing ball. They both have a chance to make good money as a junior and senior. But they can kiss that good junior money goodbye if they just sit on the bench their sophomore year. A redshirt this year could make the kids a lot of money if they can be good rotation players as sophomores.

 

[noncomposmentis]

Doesn't matter what I (or honestly anyone in here) think about either of them redshirting. The only relevant question is - are they willing to do that?

I'm not sure what redshirting a year gets them. Is there any reason to think Pope won't be just as aggressive and successful next portal season? If they are waiting for the year when they are better than other players we have, may be a long, long wait.

 

[catswin]

My thought is that the season is a long and winding road. Neither Perry nor Noah were expected to play at all last year -- then injuries happened and they both contributed. They are MORE likely to contribute this year with a full year in Pope's system.

And why redshirt? So in three years Pope can't recruit over them either in the portal or from the HS senior class because of some implied promise that they would start?

Redshirt to me is one of those things that works about once every 30 years -- the only example at Kentucky I can think of is 1997 and Jeff Sheppard, and even that year it would have been nice to have him when Derek Anderson went down (though nicer to have him in 98, as it turned out.)

It would have been best if Sheppard redshirted as a raw freshman. We would have then had him in both ‘97 and ‘98. Probably would have had a three peat.

 

[Rideordiewildcat]

Its just a wait your turn and give what you can. Like a Dom, Willis etc...

Hell the NCAA might give more years to athletes or might not even be around in a few years. I say we go in 13 strong and get the dam thing done. All 13 can play.

I say we run and gun and press to where our own guys need to ask out for a sub. Meanwhile grinding the other team into dust.

 

[bballcat4]

Perry and Noah are right on schedule for being good role players by year 3. No need to RS. These types of players are needed for a great team. Lots of teams would like to have a player like Noah to lean on in case of injuries. There will be a jump between 1st and 2nd year. He’ll get spot minutes next year and could be solid contributor by year 3. He may never start, but I think both players can be solid contributors.

They may decide not to stick around 4 years just to be a contributor. I understand wanting to get more PT. Hope they stay. They’ll be beloved, and can pick whatever job they want in the state after they graduate. They’ll be memorialized if UK wins championship while they’re here.

 

[katwest]

I hope and believe they will both stay, both have a lot of pride in their home state and love being part of team. Both played meaningful minutes last year and proved they can be counted on. Also they can shoot the ball, and their percentages should go up more each year, your freshman year is always the hardest in more ways than one.

 

[Bluegrassking]

We can have a roster of up to 15. Go grab a couple more transfers willing to be role players for a year.

We are pretty stacked.

I think we would be shopping no role players that are happy to hang around until some sunny day comes where they can work into a role.

 

[L.O.D.]

Perry should 100 . Spend the year learning pg position. His future if at UK is pg but he needs to learn it. If he doesn't want that he's better off at Western being the star as hes a local "hero" there anyway

 

[AFKY_Blue_RedsBengals]

Perry will be moving on.

 

[ScottGreene22]

Perry to the portal wish him well

 

[KFuqua]

Perry will be moving on.

I really hate that!

 

[SkyPrince1]

Perry should 100 . Spend the year learning pg position. His future if at UK is pg but he needs to learn it. If he doesn't want that he's better off at Western being the star as hes a local "hero" there anyway

He's definitely not a local hero in BG.
BG produces its own local heros as they have a state championship in basketball(WC) and football (BGH) in the last two years.
Lyon Co is 100 miles to the west of BG.

 

[L.O.D.]

He's definitely not a local hero in BG.
BG produces its own local heros as they have a state championship in basketball(WC) and football (BGH) in the last two years.
Lyon Co is 100 miles to the west of BG.

Maybe I confused with Murray St then

 

[Cat in ga]

Noah could get more run than most expect. Especially if that shot is falling

 

[blw]

Noah could get more run than most expect. Especially if that shot is falling

People are underestimating the depth battle that will happen between Noah and Williams.