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GloryDawg

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I am really surprised at the info they gave. The GBU-57 was specifically designed for this mission. When Iran started digging, we started watching and planning. 15 years to bring this strike about. Out of it all they developed a new weapon that can be used anywhere where needed.
 
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watch the press briefing from the Secretary of Defense and General Cain. It was quite astounding.
It’s really funny with the greater presses reaction to the events. Apparently nothing happened, nothing was destroyed, and it was a failure
 
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Such a typical reaction by the admin and the press. Caine said Sunday morning it would take time to assess the damage, but Trump claimed Iran's nuclear program was decimated. Now anyone claiming their program might still exist is lying, and "leakers" are being rooted out.

I mean, clearly the mission was a success, so why is it so hard to wait on the full assessment?

Meanwhile, the Admin may finally brief Congress today, which was supposed to be done within 48 hours under the War Powers Act.
 

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I beg to differ with his statement, "Pres Trump directed the most complex and secretive military operation in history"

By all accounts the Iran operation was a great success. But this operation is dwarfed by D-Day in the number of countries, soldiers, ships, aircraft, supplies, involved. There's no comparison in keeping all of that secret
 

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I beg to differ with his statement, "Pres Trump directed the most complex and secretive military operation in history"

By all accounts the Iran operation was a great success. But this operation is dwarfed by D-Day in the number of countries, soldiers, ships, aircraft, supplies, involved. There's no comparison in keeping all of that secret


Insanely exaggerated claims from this administration?

I for one am completely shocked
 

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Such a typical reaction by the admin and the press. Caine said Sunday morning it would take time to assess the damage, but Trump claimed Iran's nuclear program was decimated. Now anyone claiming their program might still exist is lying, and "leakers" are being rooted out.

I mean, clearly the mission was a success, so why is it so hard to wait on the full assessment?

Meanwhile, the Admin may finally brief Congress today, which was supposed to be done within 48 hours under the War Powers Act.
I don't think the War Powers Act is necessarily in play for a single strike like this, although I'm not 100% sure on that. I think it's in dispute whether it is or not - probably depends what side of the aisle you sit on.
 
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I don't think the War Powers Act is necessarily in play for a single strike like this, although I'm not 100% sure on that. I think it's in dispute whether it is or not - probably depends what side of the aisle you sit on.
Or your opinion of the Constitution. This is certainly one area where Trump is not unique in taking liberty with executive power. There is a lot of precedent…and I’m not saying it was wrong. So far it sounds like the intel was good and legit stuff got hammered.
 

mstateglfr

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Gabbard testified that there wasnt an imminent threat.
Trump gave 60 days to negotiate, a meeting was set for day 62(i think?), and suddenly Iran is an imminent threat.




Meanwhile, Gabbard has lied to often that I cant figure out if I should trust what she said in testimony, or if that was BS.
Meanwhile, Trump lies so frequently that I cant figure out if I should trust what he said about why it had to happen right away or how successful it was, or if that was BS.


Not being able to sort out truth from total lies makes it really 17ing tough to come to a genuinely informed conclusion. It sucks.
Maybe Iran's program is totally destroyed. Maybe its set back a few months. Maybe Iran was an imminent threat. Maybe Iran wasnt close to being a threat and that is a lie being told to just strike when they were at a conveniently weak point in time.
I just hold my hands up in confusion and wish it could be more clear.
 

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Gabbard testified that there wasnt an imminent threat.
Trump gave 60 days to negotiate, a meeting was set for day 62(i think?), and suddenly Iran is an imminent threat.




Meanwhile, Gabbard has lied to often that I cant figure out if I should trust what she said in testimony, or if that was BS.
Meanwhile, Trump lies so frequently that I cant figure out if I should trust what he said about why it had to happen right away or how successful it was, or if that was BS.


Not being able to sort out truth from total lies makes it really 17ing tough to come to a genuinely informed conclusion. It sucks.
Maybe Iran's program is totally destroyed. Maybe its set back a few months. Maybe Iran was an imminent threat. Maybe Iran wasnt close to being a threat and that is a lie being told to just strike when they were at a conveniently weak point in time.
I just hold my hands up in confusion and wish it could be more clear.
The time to strike Iran’s nuclear facilities is years before they are an “imminent threat.” Waiting till then would be monumentally stupid and risky.
 

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Such a typical reaction by the admin and the press. Caine said Sunday morning it would take time to assess the damage, but Trump claimed Iran's nuclear program was decimated. Now anyone claiming their program might still exist is lying, and "leakers" are being rooted out.

I mean, clearly the mission was a success, so why is it so hard to wait on the full assessment?

Meanwhile, the Admin may finally brief Congress today, which was supposed to be done within 48 hours under the War Powers Act.
 

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watch the press briefing from the Secretary of Defense and General Cain. It was quite astounding.
dont tell me what to do amy poehler GIF
 

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The time to strike Iran’s nuclear facilities is years before they are an “imminent threat.” Waiting till then would be monumentally stupid and risky.
Yeah, that could definitely be an approach to take. It would mean knowing for sure that there was intent to make a nuclear weapon though. If you dont know that, then you are just bombing a country based on a gut feeling or based on intel from a heavily biased quasi-ally.
What Gabbard said was that American Intelligence says Iran was not building a nuclear weapon. That is what I was referring to when I said it is difficult to know who to believe, who is lying, etc.
(American Intel) “continues to assess that Iran is not building a nuclear weapon and Supreme Leader Khamenei has not authorized the nuclear weapons program he suspended in 2003.”



I expect information that can be shared will be clear, consistent, and truthful from every Administration.
 
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Yeah, that could definitely be an approach to take. It would mean knowing for sure that there was intent to make a nuclear weapon though. If you dont know that, then you are just bombing a country based on a gut feeling or based on intel from a heavily biased quasi-ally.
What Gabbard said was that American Intelligence says Iran was not building a nuclear weapon. That is what I was referring to when I said it is difficult to know who to believe, who is lying, etc.




I expect information that can be shared will be clear, consistent, and truthful from every Administration.
They were absolutely enriching uranium. Which has only one use.
 

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Bottom line, with the USA involved, the "12 Day War" ended. Success for now!
Good job parroting the leader and supporting his self-aggrandizing regardless of how ridiculous it is. I can’t wait to see our “Secretary of War” sailing the “Gulf of America” soon…
 

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All y’all’s political bickering over details and history misses another facet of this operation:

I think this was a message to Netanyahu that your “Iran is weeks away” message is now over and will not be allowed to manipulate your allies.

I also think this was also a message to Russia and China that US military capabilities are still a decades ahead of everyone else.

The evidence suggesting the need for us to de-couple from China is obvious and getting stronger every day. Isolating China economically will be the biggest powers shift on this earth since the Soviet Union collapse.
 
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