Maybe, but you never really know who you are going to get until you start interviewing them. In 2000 we were in a lot worse shape and we still ended up with a good hire.
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Maybe, but you never really know who you are going to get until you start interviewing them. In 2000 we were in a lot worse shape and we still ended up with a good hire.
Too many big college openings...
or donors wouldn't pony up enough money to make a change...
or we want to keep the recruiting class together.
Flood has to be the luckiest guy in college football. We keep finding excuses to not let him go.The fact that we are willing to keep an incompetent head coach in part because we are afraid the next coach won't be better tells us everything we need to know about Rutgers' commitment to big time college football.
or donors wouldn't pony up enough money to make a change...
or we want to keep the recruiting class together.
Flood has to be the luckiest guy in college football. We keep finding excuses to not let him go.The fact that we are willing to keep an incompetent head coach in part because we are afraid the next coach won't be better tells us everything we need to know about Rutgers' commitment to big time college football.
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As I said, 7 last year. How many this year 8 or 9 for P5. It's always in the same ball park.
Won't happen. Nobody who has a job will accept an offer until they know every opening. sark was a no brainer for USC and even he didn't accept until after season
In 2003 and 2004, there were a lot of people who still thought that was an atrocious hire.
I could give you lots of names. Here's the thing, people on this board think we are going to get some big splash hire but we won't/can't. People throwing around names like richt are clueless. IfGeorgia fired him he'd have every opening in the country looking at him. Knightshift posted some names but Carey would be a great name. Not proven enough for big budgets but a nice track record. Other guys that won't get big money jobs but could be successful are Brohm, Campbell, the two guys Rutgersguy mentioned that I like, and there are lots more. Hell, Golden with a new DC might be successful here. That's the thing, all hires are crap shoots but when you get into the 2-3 million range it's basically luck.
Ok if you want to go by calendar dates he won the National Championship in January 2011 and was fired December 2012. But that was TWO football seasons after winning the national championship.
EDIT: And Chizik was 3-9 while getting beaten by Vanderbilt and smoked 49-0 by Alabama. I agree they're on a shorter leash than at other places but Gus is getting another year.
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Just curious, but what is your goal? Not being confrontation, but more curious. Because in some of your posts, you condemn fans for wanting to win the conference. Yet you also seem to be condemning just wanting to be respectable and go to bowls every year.
Indeed he is. A school whose alums don't donate at a high clip and an administration whose stated goal is to become revenue neutral = expectations different than a number of other schools.
Don't know where all these college teams think they are going to find very good HCs. Right now, USC, Miami, Illinois, South Carolina, Maryland, UCF ..off the top of my head. Add in potentially Virginia, Indiana, Georgia..and maybe RU. It's good news for guys like Fuente, Rhule, Hermann, etc. It should be interesting how it all plays out.
My goal is for people to be realistic. I look at it this way, we will never consistently out recruit the top name schools. (Which is why we should also get away from the pro set O). As a result, we need a coach who can out scheme and score points in bunches with less talent. Schiano isn't that Guy and his track record shows he's good for about 8 wins. You end up signing him for 5 years at 3 million and then have to extend him year 3. 8-10 years later your still reading the same complaints here. I would love to win the conference and be this juggernaut but can you point me to the team that consistently wins a P5 conference who spends less than everyone else in their league. Whose administration is more concerned with optics than winning? Whose fan base complains about everything regarding costs and raining money? Who has no real huge donor to turn to in times of need? I could go on but I think you get it. I have said in the last and will continue to believe there is nothing wrong with being an Iowa or USc type program.
You need to read the salary list of college football coaches (USA Today link, so it is safe for everyone). $1.6M per year puts RU at #59 between Navy and UConn.
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Of the relevant jobs open so far here are my predictions.
Miami: Lane Kiffin/Mario Cristobal
USC: Tom Herman
USCe: Justin Fuentes
Maryland: Rich Rodriguez
Illinois: Dino Babers
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I'm right with @vkj91 on this one. We have to scrap the pro-style. Pro-style only works if you have superior talent to every team you face. It's far too easy to defend. I'd like to see us have a guy like babers, fuentes, or the dude from toledo.
All things being equal I personally favor Babers because not only has he proven to run great offenses but he's also black. I get the feeling that black recruits connect a lot better with black coaches so that should help a tad bit on the recruiting trail as well.
All things being equal I personally favor Babers because not only has he proven to run great offenses but he's also black. I get the feeling that black recruits connect a lot better with black coaches so that should help a tad bit on the recruiting trail as well.
Herman is going to be a hot name, but his buyout is 2.5M. That limits the schools that can afford him. Rich Rod to Maryland is interesting, however they will have growing pains for at least two seasons while he gets recruits suited to fit his system.
If Rich Rod decides to give up those MLP shares, I could see Maryland but also wonder about Miami and all that speed and talent he could assemble there.
Schiano recruited well for where he was. According to computer rankings he outperformed his recruiting by 5-10 spots regularly. Wether he can continue to do that in a stronger conference is a question.
I doubt we can get anyone that is more proven commodity than Schiano.
I doubt we can get anyone that is more proven commodity than Schiano.
I mentioned Rich Rod for here a few weeks back and people laughed he wouldn't leave Arizona. He wants to come back east and we would be a good spot for him. Maryland would as well but one of their posters who claims to have connections says they aren't interested.
I've talking Babers up since before he even got to Bowling Green. that being said, I could be happy with anyone you mentioned.
I don't see Herman at USC. WHile I love him, I think after 2 straight bad hires they will look for an older more established guy. I also don't see Babers at Illinois. I think he will have better options........
That's exactly the issue, i.e., he's proven that at best he's a mediocre game day coach and so this "proven commoditiy" will just keep you in the middle of the B1G at best. If that' the best RU can do for a proven commodity, then I'm all in for an "unproven commodity" such as a top P5 coordinator or a HC at a non P5 school.
I like Rich Rod but he's married to that 3-3-5 and he's also married to his DC. I think his DC did a good job at WVU but I don't know that he has at Arizona. They weren't together during his time at Michigan.
Same for Babers who is on the next tier for me below Herman/Fuente.
Like I was saying in a post in one of these threads, I like spread coaches (air raid/read option) but it's absolutely imperative they take the defense seriously. I acknowledge and accept that the byproduct of a spread is usually a weaker defense, not always but often. We can't have a defense ranked in the 80+ area or eventually it catches up to you or you just become like Indiana. I'll take a mediocre defense in the 50-65 range paired with that top 15 or so offense these guys can create. Some of these guys don't deliver on the defensive front and that makes me wary of them.
Fuente had some defenses that steadily improved all the way up to #11 last year but they lost 13 starters/backups this year and their DC to Mizzou so they've slipped back again but at least that shows he was successful to some degree instituting a defense that was mediocre to good. Herman's this year I think is ranked in the 40s or 50s, that's perfectly fine with me combined with his top 10 offense.
So if you're a spread coach, you have to show me you take the defense seriously to a degree and can deliver a mediocre one at least for some of the time. If not then I get wary.
It's one of the reasons while Babers may be next on the tier below for me, I'm wary. He inherited a top 15 defense IIRC and he's turned it into one ranked in the 100s (last time I checked) in both his years there. That's not good enough despite his offense. On that tier below I like Meacham better. Having been with Patterson these last couple years I'd hope that might help. TCU's defense might not always be great but Patterson is a good defensive coach and hopefully Meacham would learn not to neglect that side of the ball like some of these spread coaches do.
Rutgers has to get close to $30 million in revenue from the football program(tickets,parking,donations, concessions, licensing and TV/media rights). The way Rutgers does accounting (or the fact football has to subsidize a lot of other sports that don't generate revenue) may hide that, but the fact is the idea that RUTGERS FOOTBALL doesn't make the money to pay for a real coach and staff is bulls**t.
Second, if the people running Rutgers can't do the simple math and see that the loss of 2500 season ticket-holders is a loss of $1,000,000 in revenue (and vice versa) and realize that an investment of a few additional million in a new coaching regime would pay for itself compared to sticking on this same path, they have no business running a lemonade stand let alone a major organization.
Second, if the people running Rutgers can't do the simple math and see that the loss of 2500 season ticket-holders is a loss of $1,000,000 in revenue (and vice versa) and realize that an investment of a few additional million in a new coaching regime would pay for itself compared to sticking on this same path, they have no business running a lemonade stand let alone a major organization.
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USC definitely has the money for his buyout and he's the hot name right now. Who else would they try to poach? I mean, I could see them making a run at Chip Kelly but will he really leave the NFL? Unlike Harbaugh, he seems to like to NFL and he has a TON of power in philly as both the GM and head coach.
Where do you think Dino would have better options at? I imagine you view us as a better option and objectively, even to an outsider RU is a better job than Illinois.
It was actually 2 years, but close enough. Malzahn probably isn't going anywhere this year, but he is officially on hot seat watch next season.
I would put Hazell at 50/50. If they lose out (very good chance), I don't see how you can bring him back. That would give him 5 total wins over 3 years, with three of those coming against FCS teams, and another coming from the MAC. One league win in 3 years. The only catch is that they would owe him a BOATLOAD of money, and their AD is an ultra-cheapskate. It's also a school that doesn't really seem like it cares about having a successful athletics program (other than men's basketball). Still, how on earth do you survive 1-11, 3-9, and 1-11 in this day and age. They barely draw flies to their stadium as it is. I went to a game there last season and it was just depressing.
He doesn't believe in playing defense, which is why his style of football will never work in the B1G. He is tailer-made for the PAC-12 or the Big XII. In both of those leagues you only need to be good on one side of the ball in order to compete (and you have absolutely no chance to be competitive unless you can score a boatload of points every single week). That type of ball is simply not sustainable in this conference, as you saw firsthand against Indiana a few weeks ago.
This is also why you should be leery about guys like Babers and Fuente, as well. Defense-optional football is a recipe for disaster in the B1G. You have to be balanced.
Edit: typed this before I read the rest of your post. You are 100% correct with everything that you said.
Great post. I think the major issue well known is this president and BOG don't care or wanT to support athletics.
I know money isn't a concern and yes he is the hot name but so where Kiffin and Sark. Don't get me wrong, Im not saying he isn't a great coach and I'd take him in a minute. I simply don't see them going that route. I think they are one of the few programs that will go and poach another P5 coach. Who? not sure but look for a guy who wins with less or whose school/location has held him back. As for Babers I could see him as a solid target for UVA
In one of the prediction threads I slated Herman for USC or Maryland. He's from Cali and his personality I think would play well with all the "hollywood" types there. I think he can speak their language and fit in. They would have to switch style of offense that they've become accustomed to though. Really after Herman, I don't know who's so likely for them in college coaching ranks. I could see an NFL assistant or a Jim Mora type hire but I can't think of any logical names. Maybe Pep Hamilton who was at Stanford?
Babers I could see him at Illinois, maybe a Maryland although I think they're aiming higher. In one article I read about Babers and about whether the should take his first HC job, he told him it's the jobs that no one wants that you get or something along those lines. Briles told him you can be a position coach anytime. So he decided to bet on himself and take it. So I could see him not worried about taking Illinois or jobs that may seem lower down the totem pole.
Babers I could see him at Illinois, maybe a Maryland although I think they're aiming higher. In one article I read about Babers and about whether the should take his first HC job, he told him it's the jobs that no one wants that you get or something along those lines. Briles told him you can be a position coach anytime. So he decided to bet on himself and take it. So I could see him not worried about taking Illinois or jobs that may seem lower down the totem pole.