Nothing to see here

paindonthurt

All-Conference
Apr 7, 2025
3,807
2,754
113
In other news, it sounds like the Siemens settlement is about to blow up. Siemens went into Jackson and birthed a scandal.
Got any links?

And Siemens deserves a lot of blame but so do the politicians. It’s probably more certain people at Siemens vs Siemens as a whole I’d say.
 

GloryDawg

Heisman
Mar 3, 2005
19,379
16,426
113
I don't think taxpayers' money both federal and state should go to non-profits. If I believe in what a non-profit organization is doing, I should make a contribution not the government. I also believe that politicians should be allowed to have a non-profit. Prue Bribery.
 

Darryl Steight

All-American
Sep 30, 2022
3,784
6,354
113
I don't think taxpayers' money both federal and state should go to non-profits. If I believe in what a non-profit organization is doing, I should make a contribution not the government. I also believe that politicians should be allowed to have a non-profit. Prue Bribery.
As we were discussing the other day, this is similar to the NGO national playbook. It is bribery, and it needs to be stopped. They just think they've found a loophole that makes it okay. So we have to close the 17'ing loophole.

ETA: Incoming Podgy/L4 post about how "we all know about the bribery, so what, technically it's 'legal' so we should let them keep doing it" in 3...2...1
 

anon1758050382

All-American
Oct 6, 2022
4,548
6,807
113
I don't think taxpayers' money both federal and state should go to non-profits. If I believe in what a non-profit organization is doing, I should make a contribution not the government.
The Office Thank You GIF
 

ckDOG

All-American
Dec 11, 2007
10,004
5,826
113
I don't think taxpayers' money both federal and state should go to non-profits. If I believe in what a non-profit organization is doing, I should make a contribution not the government. I also believe that politicians should be allowed to have a non-profit. Prue Bribery.
That would be a bad idea for medical innovation. A lot of good stuff comes out of non-profit hospitals.
 
  • Like
Reactions: o_Hot Rock

ckDOG

All-American
Dec 11, 2007
10,004
5,826
113
Stealing is bad. I hope they suffer the consequences of squandering public monies.
 
  • Like
Reactions: mstateglfr

GloryDawg

Heisman
Mar 3, 2005
19,379
16,426
113
That would be a bad idea for medical innovation. A lot of good stuff comes out of non-profit hospitals.
Hospital is a little different but when Politician A sets up a foundation, that politician gets put on a very important committee, that politician hires his wife to run the foundation and the foundation pays her an annual salary of 1 million dollars a year then some foreign owned company is needing a vote on a bill donates to that foundation then the wife calls the politician and say, this company just made a contribution to the foundation. That has to stop and the government giving money to any foundation and there is no control of the money once the foundation gets it must stop as well. Even a hospital can abuse it. Chances are the money is going back to the political parties. It has to stop.
 

ckDOG

All-American
Dec 11, 2007
10,004
5,826
113
Hospital is a little different but when Politician A sets up a foundation, that politician gets put on a very important committee, that politician hires his wife to run the foundation and the foundation pays her an annual salary of 1 million dollars a year then some foreign owned company is needing a vote on a bill donates to that foundation then the wife calls the politician and say, this company just made a contribution to the foundation. That has to stop and the government giving money to any foundation and there is no control of the money once the foundation gets it must stop as well. Even a hospital can abuse it. Chances are the money is going back to the political parties. It has to stop.
Oh yes. Conflicts of interest need to be exposed and snuffed out wherever and whenever. Any government grant should have reporting/transparency requirements to help prevent misuse of funds granted for legit purposes. If there is no transparency, the check should never be written.
 

She Mate Me

Heisman
Dec 7, 2008
12,471
10,461
113
If you visit DC and especially the northern Virginia suburbs, it becomes incredibly obvious that the whole thing is basically the largest money laundering scheme in the history of the world. People getting seriously rich for doing nothing of real value for America.

It's disgusting and depressing how blatantly immoral and corrupt a lot of the politicians and adjacents are
 

ckDOG

All-American
Dec 11, 2007
10,004
5,826
113
Lot of people would still contribute to that research especially if they were taxed less
Yeah man. Research labs are real equipped to market themselves for funding from the general public*** What planet do you live on?
 

OG Goat Holder

Heisman
Sep 30, 2022
12,259
11,332
113
Bc it didn’t happen. It never happens. It’s all good people doing the lords work.

Isn’t that how you think?
It’s one of two things:

- It didn’t happen;
- It did happen but it’s within the assurances and they are afraid to name the parties and are just trying to jazz up the angry mob.

Grow a set and name the parties and say you are working to shore up the gray areas that allowed this to stay within the law. It’s all public info. Without that it’s nothing but a bunch of hot air fluff.
 

paindonthurt

All-Conference
Apr 7, 2025
3,807
2,754
113
It’s one of two things:

- It didn’t happen;
- It did happen but it’s within the assurances and they are afraid to name the parties and are just trying to jazz up the angry mob.

Grow a set and name the parties and say you are working to shore up the gray areas that allowed this to stay within the law. It’s all public info. Without that it’s nothing but a bunch of hot air fluff.
It’s a GD tweet limited by characters you 17 ing moton

it 100% happened or you just think the state auditor is publicly blatantly lying in writing?
 
  • Like
Reactions: Howiefeltersnstch

paindonthurt

All-Conference
Apr 7, 2025
3,807
2,754
113
Yeah man. Research labs are real equipped to market themselves for funding from the general public*** What planet do you live on?
How exactly do you think they get funded? Do you think the gubment just goes and finds them and says hey I bet you need some money.
What planet do you live on?
 
  • Like
Reactions: Howiefeltersnstch

ckDOG

All-American
Dec 11, 2007
10,004
5,826
113
How exactly do you think they get funded? Do you think the gubment just goes and finds them and says hey I bet you need some money.
What planet do you live on?
Yes that's pretty much how it works. You have the technical type presenting cases to the technical types in the govt that distribute funds based on need, viability, etc. If you asked these people to ask for private dollars they'd never see cent bc they don't speak the same language.

There is room for both private dollars and govt directed dollars in research.
 

paindonthurt

All-Conference
Apr 7, 2025
3,807
2,754
113
Yes that's pretty much how it works. You have the technical type presenting cases to the technical types in the govt that distribute funds based on need, viability, etc. If you asked these people to ask for private dollars they'd never see cent bc they don't speak the same language.

There is room for both private dollars and govt directed dollars in research.
65% of research is done by private dollars so your first reply to me was BS. Take a seat.
 

ckDOG

All-American
Dec 11, 2007
10,004
5,826
113
65% of research is done by private dollars so your first reply to me was BS. Take a seat.
If you think the private market would replace the 35-45 percent of funding that would go away in your world then you have no grasp of how most people like to spend their money.
 

jethreauxdawg

Heisman
Dec 20, 2010
10,736
14,019
113
They get north of 100M of federal funding and most research programs don't have a massive ALSAC organization to do the fundraising for them.
They bring in 3 billion of donations a year. Just saying research can be done without federal dollars.
 

ckDOG

All-American
Dec 11, 2007
10,004
5,826
113
They bring in 3 billion of donations a year. Just saying research can be done without federal dollars.
Oh sure it can to an extent. That's not my point. My point is you can't just make the federal side go poof and expect it to be replaced privately and responsibly. Government distributed funds should be viewed as a service to get dollars to high priority areas that private dollars likely will overlook due to near term commercial viability etc. Healthy criticism and oversight should occur to make sure they aren't spending dollars on nonsense. But if we go pure private then we'd likely have a ton of competitors for a better ozempic to charge 1k a month for than subsidizing basic science research that can advance humanity's knowledge on how diseases work and beyond that likely won't guarantee an immediate and/or massive ROI.
 

jethreauxdawg

Heisman
Dec 20, 2010
10,736
14,019
113
Oh sure it can to an extent. That's not my point. My point is you can't just make the federal side go poof and expect it to be replaced privately and responsibly. Government distributed funds should be viewed as a service to get dollars to high priority areas that private dollars likely will overlook due to near term commercial viability etc. Healthy criticism and oversight should occur to make sure they aren't spending dollars on nonsense. But if we go pure private then we'd likely have a ton of competitors for a better ozempic to charge 1k a month for than subsidizing basic science research that can advance humanity's knowledge on how diseases work and beyond that likely won't guarantee an immediate and/or massive ROI.
I’m not saying we should get rid of federal research dollars. Also not saying we need them. I don’t know a ton about why/why not to keep them. Just pointing out that it can be done without federal dollars in some instances. People donate so much to st Jude for a few reasons: they are researching something people feel strongly about, people believe at Jude is actually making a difference, st Jude/alsac do a great job fundraising.
 

ckDOG

All-American
Dec 11, 2007
10,004
5,826
113
I’m not saying we should get rid of federal research dollars. Also not saying we need them. I don’t know a ton about why/why not to keep them. Just pointing out that it can be done without federal dollars in some instances. People donate so much to st Jude for a few reasons: they are researching something people feel strongly about, people believe at Jude is actually making a difference, st Jude/alsac do a great job fundraising.
I know you aren't suggesting that. Other guy is and lives a the simple world of good/bad and doesn't have a nuanced thought in his head. Or at least the character he plays on this board doesn't.

You don't have to explain SJ for me. I'm well acquainted with how they operate. And even though ALSAC is one of the most effective, if not most effective, private fundraisers on the planet, boat rocking in the federal funding world isn't a good thing for the hospital and their mission. At any rate, I acknowledged earlier there is room and need for both private and public dollars in research. Both are needed and can address slightly different goals/contexts. It's better for us as a country if both are healthy.
 
  • Like
Reactions: OG Goat Holder

OG Goat Holder

Heisman
Sep 30, 2022
12,259
11,332
113
I’m not saying we should get rid of federal research dollars. Also not saying we need them. I don’t know a ton about why/why not to keep them. Just pointing out that it can be done without federal dollars in some instances. People donate so much to st Jude for a few reasons: they are researching something people feel strongly about, people believe at Jude is actually making a difference, st Jude/alsac do a great job fundraising.
People were hired to oversee these grants. We came in and fired a bunch of them, now we are surprised when stuff doesn’t go right?

Either way, we have a vehicle to slowly change this process, that also was built slowly over time. It’s called Congress and it prevents knee jerk reactions and decisions.
 

jethreauxdawg

Heisman
Dec 20, 2010
10,736
14,019
113
I know you aren't suggesting that. Other guy is and lives a the simple world of good/bad and doesn't have a nuanced thought in his head. Or at least the character he plays on this board doesn't.

You don't have to explain SJ for me. I'm well acquainted with how they operate. And even though ALSAC is one of the most effective, if not most effective, private fundraisers on the planet, boat rocking in the federal funding world isn't a good thing for the hospital and their mission. At any rate, I acknowledged earlier there is room and need for both private and public dollars in research. Both are needed and can address slightly different goals/contexts. It's better for us as a country if both are healthy.
Don’t explain to me what I can/can’t explain to you.