Notre Dame ain’t playing…
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I'm assuming their agreement to play 5 ACC teams/year is about to be null and void and leave the conference entirely for the other sports.
What is he referring to? How did the ACC do the damage? By playing them? By Miami not allowing them to win?
This is what i'm trying to figure out. Unless the ACC pushed miami over them. What did they think the ACC was gonna do?
I’m no ND fan but I don’t blame them. I hope they burn it down. 17 the ACC.
Depending on the exit terms that may be easier said than done for Notre Dame. And be careful, you need the ACC too. Lot fewer Big 10 SEC and Big 12 non-conference games available now than there used to be. Your strength of schedule may get even weaker.
Copying and pasting from the other thread, but here’s how. Obvious bad actors were influencing the committee to make sure the ACC had at least one representative in the playoff:
ALL of these moves happened over the past several weeks, all of which were every bit as questionable as the last minute leap frog over ND, and ALL of which directly led to Miami / ND being nearly side by side in the rankings for the final week:
1) From Week 10 to Week 11:
- Miami (7-2) goes from #18 to #15
- Miami goes 5 spots ahead of a Louisville team that’s also 7-2, and that Louisville team beat them in Coral Gables.
- Miami passes 8-1 Georgia Tech, who didn’t even play that weekend
- Miami goes 4 spots ahead of 8-2 Virginia, who had a road win over that 7-2 Louisville team above.
2) From Week 11 to Week 12:
- Miami goes from #15 to #13
- Miami leapfrogs Vanderbilt, who didn’t play that weekend. Vandy had the same record as Miami, but had that record against the #25 SOS whereas Miami was playing against the #45 SOS. Really no justification at all for this move.
- This happens from no discernible data other than Miami beating NC State at home. NC State finished 7-5, in the awful ACC, and at no point was anywhere near the CFP rankings.
- Meanwhile, ND stays at #9. Oklahoma moves ahead of them all the way from the #11 spot to #8 from the Bama win. This one was understandable but still a bit questionable. Bama falls right behind them to #10, which becomes important later.
Week 12 to Week 13
- Miami moves up AGAIN over a team with the same record, without that team losing. This time it’s Utah…a team with no bad losses.
- Vanderbilt somehow does not move past Utah in spite of having a superior profile as well.
- Miami now at #12, ND at #9
Week 13 to Week 14
- Remember when Bama fell back behind ND after OU game? Now, suddenly Bama jumps back ahead of ND, from nothing other than barely scraping by a bad Auburn team with an interim coach.
- Meanwhile, Texas beats Texas A&M, and now has wins over two CFP teams in OU and Texas A&M (both better than any Miami win) Yes they are 9-3, but have that record strictly due to scheduling Ohio State on the road instead of a Sun Belt or FCS school. Regardless, they do not get the same favorable treatment Miami got a few weeks prior with Georgia Tech and Virginia, and later on with BYU.
- ND falls back to #10, Miami still at #12.
Week 14 to Week 15
- Miami and ND do not play, and no previous opponent of either team plays.
- Bama falls back zero spots after getting absolutely pummeled by UGA, when that would have allowed ND to move back up to #9. BYU doesn’t get the same treatment.
- Miami still moves up two spots from #12 to #10.
- ND moves back one spot to #11 as has been discussed ad nauseum.
- What has not been discussed is this, which is 17ing nuts: Miami also passed 11-2 BYU. BYU had a better record, a stronger SOS (#22 vs. #45), no bad losses, and a win over Utah that was every bit as good as Miami’s win over ND. You can explain the Miami vs. ND somewhat based on H2H. You cannot explain this one at all.
Add it all up, there are NINE other completely unjustifiable moves that either directly benefitted Miami or directly hurt ND. All of these happened over a period where neither team lost a game, or picked up a quality win. Incompetence and idiocy is random. A baffling shuffle happens once, a tad suspicious but maybe just a mistake. 9 or 10 times? GTFO. This was calculated. I don’t see how any objective person can look at all those facts and reach any other conclusion.
I believe they are 0-2 against the playoff brackets.
If they don't join a conference after this debacle, I sincerely hope no P4 team schedules them until they join one. Obviously barring the ACC contracted games. If they want to reap the benefits of being independent and not splitting any revenue, no P4 team should willingly help them succeed.
Nobody cares. At the end of the day, there's very good justification for Miami getting in over Notre Dame. Less for Alabama getting in over them. But it's close. Notre Dame has no legitimate complaint with the end product. Neither would Alabama or Miami if they'd been left out and Notre Dame in.
Starting next year, allegedly, if ND is in the top 12 they become an AQ. So, they're already getting treated differently than everyone else. Now they want to whine and complain. 17 em.
The stupid rankings reveal each week strictly for ESPN ratings is what caused all this. If there was just one bracket at the end of the season, and Miami was ahead of Notre Dame, there wouldn't be nearly as much controversy. But because ESPN wants drama and controversy and talking points, they have the CFP do a rankings reveal every week, and Miami moving up so much without any good wins, while Notre Dame moved back without any good wins is what has people so upset. The college basketball selection committee doesn't release a weekly bracket starting in mid-February. It's silly that the football committee does, and it's obviously only because ESPN tells them to.
Prediction: Notre Dame will never be ranked #12. Committee will either rank them high enough to get in without that clause or move them to #13. Why create the shitshow that would result if you let #12 Notre Dame in and left #11 out.
The “stupid rankings reveal” is what exposed all the crap they’d be doing behind closed doors if they didn’t exist. The criteria for the rankings do not change at any point. Its the same process regardless of whether its Week 10 or Week 15. So seeing how the teams move from week to week matters as far as seeing that the committee is actually following their stated criteria.
You are wrong. ND signed a MOU with the CFP committee that starting in 2026 if they are 12 or higher they become an AQ. I'm not posting a link, but all you have to do is search for it.
What a bunch of cry babies. Join a conference and none of this has to happen again. If you want the "benefits" of being independent, you have to be prepared to deal with the consequences.
They should be in the Big10, especially now that USC has joined it. It's a natural and geographic fit.
They either need to join a conference or stfu imo. Hopefully the SEC so we can watch them get their *** kicked every week.
The ACC Network played the Miami-Notre Dame game on repeat from Midnight to Noon every day last week.
I just saw ND’s AD on the Dan Patrick show and that is exactly what he said. Beginning next year if they finish 12th in the rankings they are guaranteed a playoff spot.
Unless something has changed, ND does not share bowl revenue with the ACC. Per internet
So ACC intentionally played up Miami.
All about the $.
So ACC intentionally played up Miami.
All about the $.
I think Notre Dame keeps its playoff money but shares bowl money with the ACC.
And BYU actually had almost every metric but the name over ND.
So what conference is going to let ND dictate the football schedule? ACC doesn't "need" ND soccer or basketball. ND basketball actually needs ACC. Do they think playing a bunch of mountain west and Sunbelt teams will get them in the tournament?
The basketball selection committee reveals the Top 16 in mid-February.
Not really. Jackson State is also 0-0 against the playoff bracket.
Louisville is 2-0.
Texas is 2-2.
Could do this all day.
Honest question. This post had to take a lot of time to formulate.
Why are you so invested in this ND Miami issue??