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If Notre Dame beats 1 of A&M or Miami, they're in. Not sure what they're whining about.

All this drama is for the women fans. My wife loves this soap opera. Even my mom has been talking about it & she's doesnt care about college football unless it's State & thats just for her grandkids.
 

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You are wrong. ND signed a MOU with the CFP committee that starting in 2026 if they are 12 or higher they become an AQ. I'm not posting a link, but all you have to do is search for it.
So, this was apparently a new detail that was never before reported until today when the ND AD dropped it in today’s press conference.

First off - an MOU is not legally binding. The committee can still do what it wants. And in general since they control where ND falls in the rankings, it’s meaningless anyway.

Secondly, I think this was a private agreement that was not intended to be known by the public, due to concern for preferential treatment. Otherwise, it certainly would have been reported before today. ND disclosed it perhaps to expose the committee and give themselves leverage in potential future negotiations with the ACC.
 

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Their football players must be really mad that all other Notre Dame student athletes get to compete for conference championships except for them.
 

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What are we thinking the play is here?

ND drops the football scheduling agreement with the ACC, goes full independent, and moves the other sports back to the Big East? The Big East has a media deal with NBC.

ND bites the bullet and joins the Big Ten? I think Notre Dame’s NBC deal probably really hurts their ability to join a conference, but the Big Ten has a media deal with NBC.
 

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Honest question. This post had to take a lot of time to formulate.

Why are you so invested in this ND Miami issue??
I couldn’t care less about ND honestly. And as stated previously I really don’t care that much to weigh in specifically on those two teams resumes against each other. I care a lot more about general fairness, integrity, and transparency in the selection process and the committee itself.

That being said, I started following Miami’s mysterious ascension in the rankings weeks ago when they jumped Vandy for no reason. You can go back and read my posts from way back then when that happened. At the time, it seemed like they only wanted to keep too many SEC teams from getting in, or keep a low profile program like Vandy out.

Then it got even more suspicious when they jumped Utah.

After they jumped BYU and ND in the end, I went back and looked at what happened before the Vandy thing, and all that shít was shady, too. Perhaps even moreso than the other stuff….especially them landing 5 spots ahead of a Louisville team that beat them when they had the same record. There was clearly a motive to prop up Miami as much as possible. The more the ACC ate itself up, the better Miami’s resume suddenly got without them really doing anything.

It should be highly concerning to anyone who ever thinks a school like MSU will ever make the CFP, because there’s no way that ever happens unless we are like the 5th or 6th SEC team, or one of the last handful of teams to get in. And if they’ll do what they did to ND, they’ll damn sure do it to us, too.
 

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Copying and pasting from the other thread, but here’s how. Obvious bad actors were influencing the committee to make sure the ACC had at least one representative in the playoff:

ALL of these moves happened over the past several weeks, all of which were every bit as questionable as the last minute leap frog over ND, and ALL of which directly led to Miami / ND being nearly side by side in the rankings for the final week:

1) From Week 10 to Week 11:

- Miami (7-2) goes from #18 to #15
- Miami goes 5 spots ahead of a Louisville team that’s also 7-2, and that Louisville team beat them in Coral Gables.
- Miami passes 8-1 Georgia Tech, who didn’t even play that weekend
- Miami goes 4 spots ahead of 8-2 Virginia, who had a road win over that 7-2 Louisville team above.

2) From Week 11 to Week 12:

- Miami goes from #15 to #13
- Miami leapfrogs Vanderbilt, who didn’t play that weekend. Vandy had the same record as Miami, but had that record against the #25 SOS whereas Miami was playing against the #45 SOS. Really no justification at all for this move.
- This happens from no discernible data other than Miami beating NC State at home. NC State finished 7-5, in the awful ACC, and at no point was anywhere near the CFP rankings.
- Meanwhile, ND stays at #9. Oklahoma moves ahead of them all the way from the #11 spot to #8 from the Bama win. This one was understandable but still a bit questionable. Bama falls right behind them to #10, which becomes important later.

Week 12 to Week 13

- Miami moves up AGAIN over a team with the same record, without that team losing. This time it’s Utah…a team with no bad losses.
- Vanderbilt somehow does not move past Utah in spite of having a superior profile as well.
- Miami now at #12, ND at #9

Week 13 to Week 14

- Remember when Bama fell back behind ND after OU game? Now, suddenly Bama jumps back ahead of ND, from nothing other than barely scraping by a bad Auburn team with an interim coach.
- Meanwhile, Texas beats Texas A&M, and now has wins over two CFP teams in OU and Texas A&M (both better than any Miami win) Yes they are 9-3, but have that record strictly due to scheduling Ohio State on the road instead of a Sun Belt or FCS school. Regardless, they do not get the same favorable treatment Miami got a few weeks prior with Georgia Tech and Virginia, and later on with BYU.
- ND falls back to #10, Miami still at #12.

Week 14 to Week 15
- Miami and ND do not play, and no previous opponent of either team plays.
- Bama falls back zero spots after getting absolutely pummeled by UGA, when that would have allowed ND to move back up to #9. BYU doesn’t get the same treatment.
- Miami still moves up two spots from #12 to #10.
- ND moves back one spot to #11 as has been discussed ad nauseum.
- What has not been discussed is this, which is 17ing nuts: Miami also passed 11-2 BYU. BYU had a better record, a stronger SOS (#22 vs. #45), no bad losses, and a win over Utah that was every bit as good as Miami’s win over ND. You can explain the Miami vs. ND somewhat based on H2H. You cannot explain this one at all.

Add it all up, there are NINE other completely unjustifiable moves that either directly benefitted Miami or directly hurt ND. All of these happened over a period where neither team lost a game, or picked up a quality win. Incompetence and idiocy is random. A baffling shuffle happens once, a tad suspicious but maybe just a mistake. 9 or 10 times? GTFO. This was calculated. I don’t see how any objective person can look at all those facts and reach any other conclusion.
What does that have to do with Notre Dame blaming the ACC?

The ACC is of course going to fight for Miami over Notre Dame. SHOCKER.

News flash to everyone. Notre Dame and Miami neither one are going to win the natty this year. Take Miami out and put Notre Dame in. NEITHER ARE GOING TO WIN THE NATTY.

Cry me a river.

Notre Dame did this to themselves by losing to Miami and not playing in a conference.
 

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So ND is about to drop the ACC agreement and just play garbage teams all year and be undefeated. They will waltz into the playoffs every year.

Texas situation too. If they wouldn’t have scheduled Ohio State they are probably in.

SEC is stupid for requiring that power 4 ooc game.
 

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I couldn’t care less about ND honestly. And as stated previously I really don’t care that much to weigh in specifically on those two teams resumes against each other. I care a lot more about general fairness, integrity, and transparency in the selection process and the committee itself.

That being said, I started following Miami’s mysterious ascension in the rankings weeks ago when they jumped Vandy for no reason. You can go back and read my posts from way back then when that happened. At the time, it seemed like they only wanted to keep too many SEC teams from getting in, or keep a low profile program like Vandy out.

Then it got even more suspicious when they jumped Utah.

After they jumped BYU and ND in the end, I went back and looked at what happened before the Vandy thing, and all that shít was shady, too. Perhaps even moreso than the other stuff….especially them landing 5 spots ahead of a Louisville team that beat them when they had the same record. There was clearly a motive to prop up Miami as much as possible. The more the ACC ate itself up, the better Miami’s resume suddenly got without them really doing anything.

It should be highly concerning to anyone who ever thinks a school like MSU will ever make the CFP, because there’s no way that ever happens unless we are like the 5th or 6th SEC team, or one of the last handful of teams to get in. And if they’ll do what they did to ND, they’ll damn sure do it to us, too.

I agree with you. I guess I'm just farther down the road of "cheaters gonna cheat and the world is full to the brim with cheaters".

I used to think things could be changed for the better, but when big money is involved, people will literally wholesale kill people (see history of wars and drugs, etc etc). So I have little hope for fixing this.
 
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The stupid rankings reveal each week strictly for ESPN ratings is what caused all this. If there was just one bracket at the end of the season, and Miami was ahead of Notre Dame, there wouldn't be nearly as much controversy. But because ESPN wants drama and controversy and talking points, they have the CFP do a rankings reveal every week, and Miami moving up so much without any good wins, while Notre Dame moved back without any good wins is what has people so upset. The college basketball selection committee doesn't release a weekly bracket starting in mid-February. It's silly that the football committee does, and it's obviously only because ESPN tells them to.
At the risk of being Mr Obvious, ESPN kind of depends on TV ratings to justify their obligations.
 

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What does that have to do with Notre Dame blaming the ACC?

The ACC is of course going to fight for Miami over Notre Dame. SHOCKER.
I mean, yeah. It is a shocker. If this system is set up as advertised, my expectation is that the committee is objective and 100% insulated and protected from the outside financial influences or political pressure from any individual school, any conference, or from ESPN and the other networks. That clearly isn’t the case.

You said yourself “of course the ACC is going to fight for Miami over ND”. Well, my question to you is how is that even possible? That shouldn’t even be a thing. There are no official representatives of conferences on the committee. Only school presidents / administrators. Neither the conferences themselves, nor ESPN or other networks should even have the access. But somehow they do. That’s something that requires immediate attention.

News flash to everyone. Notre Dame and Miami neither one are going to win the natty this year. Take Miami out and put Notre Dame in. NEITHER ARE GOING TO WIN THE NATTY.
So you’re saying it doesn’t really even matter if they get it right or not past the first X number of teams? Sorry, just going to fundamentally disagree.

But for the record, they didn’t even get #2 right when deciding between Ohio State and UGA. They just really suck across the board.

Cry me a river.

Notre Dame did this to themselves by losing to Miami and not playing in a conference.
BYU did play in a conference, had a better record than Miami, had a much stronger schedule than Miami, had two CFP Top 15 wins to Miami’s 1, and unlike Miami, had no bad losses. Checkmate. Yet they got passed by Miami, too. Forget the ND red herring, and explain that one.
 
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Nobody cares. At the end of the day, there's very good justification for Miami getting in over Notre Dame. Less for Alabama getting in over them. But it's close. Notre Dame has no legitimate complaint with the end product. Neither would Alabama or Miami if they'd been left out and Notre Dame in.
BYU has the biggest complaint of all.

Record
BYU 11-2 > Miami 10-2

SOS
BYU #22 > Miami #45

Head to Head
BYU = Miami (they didn’t play each other)

Quality Wins
BYU (#15 Utah, #17 AZ) > Miami (#11 ND)

Bad Losses
BYU (#4 Texas Tech x2) > Miami (unranked SMU, unranked Louisville)

Somebody make that make sense…..
 
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Nobody cares. At the end of the day, there's very good justification for Miami getting in over Notre Dame. Less for Alabama getting in over them. But it's close. Notre Dame has no legitimate complaint with the end product. Neither would Alabama or Miami if they'd been left out and Notre Dame in.
Precisely. Should have capped it at 10 or even 8 this year. Tulane James Madison bama Miami don't have any business being there either
 
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I mean, yeah. It is a shocker. If this system is set up as advertised, my expectation is that the committee is objective and 100% insulated and protected from the outside financial influences or political pressure from any individual school, any conference, or from ESPN and the other networks. That clearly isn’t the case.

You said yourself “of course the ACC is going to fight for Miami over ND”. Well, my question to you is how is that even possible? That shouldn’t even be a thing. There are no official representatives of conferences on the committee. Only school presidents / administrators. Neither the conferences themselves, nor ESPN or other networks should even have the access. But somehow they do. That’s something that requires immediate attention.


So you’re saying it doesn’t really even matter if they get it right or not past the first X number of teams? Sorry, just going to fundamentally disagree.

But for the record, they didn’t even get #2 right when deciding between Ohio State and UGA. They just really suck across the board.


BYU did play in a conference, had a better record than Miami, had a much stronger schedule than Miami, had two CFP Top 15 wins to Miami’s 1, and unlike Miami, had no bad losses. Checkmate. Yet they got passed by Miami, too. Forget the ND red herring, and explain that one.
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Its pretty simple.

Notre Dame sucks so they didn't get in. Miami sucks too but they got in bc they suck a little less bc they beat a sucky Notre Dame team. Neither team has a chance of winning.
 
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I can see ND being upset over Alabama being in, but Miami beat them. Maybe there are other points of contention.
I don't really see them having an argument about either team.

If Alabama was left out, i'd tell Alabama to go get 17ed too. Same if Miami were left out. None of them have a chance of winning this year so get the 17 over it.

If you really wanna be mad? Be mad that Tulane and JMU are in. For the record i don't mind that either of those teams are in but Notre dame is damn sure better than both of them.
 

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Apparently, the conference lobbied hard for Miami to get in over ND. I see an exit strategy unveiled as early as tomorrow.
Exit to where? It's not going to be as easy to schedule Big 10 games as it used to be. And what about all their other sports? Do they really want to go independent in everything?
 

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Exit to where? It's not going to be as easy to schedule Big 10 games as it used to be. And what about all their other sports? Do they really want to go independent in everything?
The chances OlBlue responds with anything that has substance is slim to zero.
 
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Exit to where? It's not going to be as easy to schedule Big 10 games as it used to be. And what about all their other sports? Do they really want to go independent in everything?
ND would be at best probably the 5th of 6th best team in big 10 they start playing big 10 ball they never see the playoffs either and they know it. The blue bloods of that conference won't stay down forever.
Michigan
Penn state
Ohio State
Now Indiana
USC
Oregon
Even Washington

if notre dame had to play a current full big 10 schedule they would severely struggle to finish with just 3 losses

hell even Nebraska and Iowa can be tough games
 

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And BYU actually had almost every metric but the name over ND.
Nobody wants to talk about this, or any of the other indefensible moves they made in the prior weeks. Everyone just wants to look at the Notre Dame vs. Miami argument only.

The BYU snub is a much more egregious move by just about any measure. There’s not a single part of Miami’s resume that trumps BYU’s.
 
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Nobody wants to talk about this, or any of the other indefensible moves they made in the prior weeks. Everyone just wants to look at the Notre Dame vs. Miami argument only.

The BYU snub is a much more egregious move by just about any measure. There’s not a single part of Miami’s resume that trumps BYU’s.
Notre Dame beat USC. Which is a much bigger win than any BYU has.