Now that the dust has settled, would you rather have Rick Ray or Rick Stansbury?
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Stansbury was clearly burned out....maybe he should have taken a leave of absence for a year. Between a burned out Stansbury and a fresh Ray with lots to prove, I'll take Ray.
as to whether we would have just been better off to stick with what we had says a lot about this hire.
aGAIN, for you f'n ignorant asshats that can't understand the distinction between being supportive of the new hire WHILE AT THE SAME F'N TIME POINTING AT THE ADMINISTRATION AND ASKING A LEGITIMATE "WTF ARE YOU DOING????" QUESTION, JUST STAY THE F@CK OUT OF THE THREAD.
aGAIN, for you f'n ignorant asshats that can't understand the distinction between being supportive of the new hire WHILE AT THE SAME F'N TIME POINTING AT THE ADMINISTRATION AND ASKING A LEGITIMATE "WTF ARE YOU DOING????" QUESTION, JUST STAY THE F@CK OUT OF THE THREAD.
You can argue with people till you're blue in the face about why Ray over Payne or why we couldn't get Prohm or didn't offer Drew or whatever the case may be. But I'm giving Stricklin the benefit of the doubt with this one. He's done nothing up to this point in his tenure as AD for me to distrust him, so I'm at least going to listen to the press conference and watch what unfolds recruiting-wise over the next week or so before I pass judgment on both Stricklin and Ray.
You've gotta feel good about aligning yourself with the peaches and txmuddawgs of this board. Now cue the loafers reference......
god i hope merlins doesnt leave any time soon....i dont want to even imagine how that could end up...Shmuley said:
They are completely different. In SEC football, you have to hire proven commodities. You can't hope someone pans out, you have to go find proven guys with a good track record, and we did that with Mullen and still got some of the same reaction on here as we did initially with Ray. And there is also a significantly less talent pool to draw from in terms of people associated with successful programs you want, so it's important to find those guys, especially if you want to keep up in SEC football.
In college basketball, there are over 320 D1 programs. People move around all the time, and who the hell can say just exactly who will be a good hire based on their pedigree? There is a much larger pool to draw from in terms of coaches who might be successful, and the SEC is nowhere near asstrongin basketball as it is in football, so you can make a hire like this that doesn't wow people initially if you think the guy is the righthire long term.Not to mention the fact our current situation has us with noPG, and over the course of the year we willhave lostat least 6 guys who were on scholarshipto transfer or draft/graduation. It was a ****** situation, and this is what we ended up with. Now we have to see if Stricklin knew what he was doing and see if Ray can turn it around.
In college basketball, there are over 320 D1 programs. People move around all the time, and who the hell can say just exactly who will be a good hire based on their pedigree? There is a much larger pool to draw from in terms of coaches who might be successful, and the SEC is nowhere near asstrongin basketball as it is in football, so you can make a hire like this that doesn't wow people initially if you think the guy is the righthire long term.Not to mention the fact our current situation has us with noPG, and over the course of the year we willhave lostat least 6 guys who were on scholarshipto transfer or draft/graduation. It was a ****** situation, and this is what we ended up with. Now we have to see if Stricklin knew what he was doing and see if Ray can turn it around.
I would pray that Keenum would just put Hud inplace and tell Scott to stay in the truck.Shmuley said:
Maybe then everyone will finally laugh at your loafers and starched pleats jokes. I don't know, I guess I figured I'd cross that fantasy land bridge when we get there.
Further, there hasn't been a legitimate question regarding this hire yet.Every candidate prior to us hiring Ray had a different group on this board making some type of outlandish argument as to why the candidate wouldn't be a good hire. </p>
To call this a terrible hire and be upset with the administration now. Rick Ray could be an outstanding hire and then you would be singing scotts praises for finding him. So why don't you let this play out for a couple of years before pointing your finger at Scott and saying wtf. If he turns out to be a flop then by all means get upset with the administration. But you dooming the hire from the beginning is the same as the idiots with the "sources". None of y'all know crap right now.
all I know is that South Carolina has hired a veritable truckload of "successful" coaches over the last 20 years. Every one of them failed and was replaced by the next flavor-of-the-year coach that came along.
I will believe USCe hired a winner when he proves it on the court. Until then, it's a bunch of ********.
MSU has a better program than South Carolina. I expect we'll be down next season, but we have a better talent pool in this state to draw from than they do and I expect at LEAST the results than Stansbury was getting pre-burnout (hopefully better, obviously).
The fact is, everyone freaking out right now doesn't know anything about what happened, how, or why - you're just bloviating for the sake of increasing your internet cred.
I'm glad we didn't hire Payne, by the way. His associations with a) a head coach that's gotten every Final Four he's been to EXPUNGED by the NCAA and b) a man (World Wide Wes) who the NCAA is looking to crush along with anyone associated with him makes me glad we have an AD who wants to keep our athletics program in a non-death penalty state.
Is it any wonder we didn't hire Payne? We ain't Kentucky and we can't get away with what they can. We aren't good at cheating - see Football circa 1991 - 2001.
So can we all just please calm the 17 down and let the guy get a couple of years under his belt? Please?
I will believe USCe hired a winner when he proves it on the court. Until then, it's a bunch of ********.
MSU has a better program than South Carolina. I expect we'll be down next season, but we have a better talent pool in this state to draw from than they do and I expect at LEAST the results than Stansbury was getting pre-burnout (hopefully better, obviously).
The fact is, everyone freaking out right now doesn't know anything about what happened, how, or why - you're just bloviating for the sake of increasing your internet cred.
I'm glad we didn't hire Payne, by the way. His associations with a) a head coach that's gotten every Final Four he's been to EXPUNGED by the NCAA and b) a man (World Wide Wes) who the NCAA is looking to crush along with anyone associated with him makes me glad we have an AD who wants to keep our athletics program in a non-death penalty state.
Is it any wonder we didn't hire Payne? We ain't Kentucky and we can't get away with what they can. We aren't good at cheating - see Football circa 1991 - 2001.
So can we all just please calm the 17 down and let the guy get a couple of years under his belt? Please?
will calm the F down. We don't need to be told to calm down. It will happen soon enough. And then the discussion will turn to why Cohen can't seem to get our f'n baseball program out of the f'n ditch.
This hire, unfortunately, was just one more layer of horse **** icing smeared on the **** cake being served over at polk-dement.
This hire, unfortunately, was just one more layer of horse **** icing smeared on the **** cake being served over at polk-dement.
C'mon man. It's a message board where we discuss. What do you expect people to do? All agree with each other? I don't care about my "internet cred" and I don't think the vast majority here cares either. We have our few like all websites.
And I think you have some good points about Payne. I was also questioning hiring him...... just like people have questioned our actual hire.
I'm not saying this is a great hire. Bit its idiotic to call it a terrible hire before he has even done anything. He seems pretty respected from the comments made by clemson and purdues coaches and fans. And Robbie hummel seemed impressed with him. He also wasn't just an average assistant, he was the associate head coach.
A lot of people have been calling for Stansbury's head all year. They finally got it, and the REALITY of our situation is what people are mad about.
What, we couldn't hire a proven head coach or assistant away from a power program after running off our most successful coach ever after yet another 20 win season?
I'm shocked.
All I'm saying is let the man have his shot. I'm sure he was our best option given the people actually interested in our job.
Oh, and I'm totally on board with the Cohen thing. One lucky NCAA run doesn't give him a pass for three, going on four, years of mediocre play in a sport that we've been traditionally very good in. Polk could have done the same **** we've been paying Cohen to do.
What, we couldn't hire a proven head coach or assistant away from a power program after running off our most successful coach ever after yet another 20 win season?
I'm shocked.
All I'm saying is let the man have his shot. I'm sure he was our best option given the people actually interested in our job.
Oh, and I'm totally on board with the Cohen thing. One lucky NCAA run doesn't give him a pass for three, going on four, years of mediocre play in a sport that we've been traditionally very good in. Polk could have done the same **** we've been paying Cohen to do.
ROFL... and you know, right about now, one (or more) of the starting 5 tonight is cashing a check from someone they shouldn't be...bullysleftnut said:
the carp that follows calipari around is astonishing.
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1) Who is this guy? No one has / had ever heard of him (especially everyone with 'sources' -- haha).
2) What has he accomplished as an assistant?
3) Is his style of coaching what we are looking for as a replacement for what we had?
4) Can he maintain the discipline needed, and assert his will over, the candy-assed prima-donnas on our team that our previous staff could not?
5) Can he keep us out of NCAA trouble while still getting players who can compete on a national level?
Throwing a bunch of "WAAAAAAA FIRE STRICKLIN HE SUCKS AND OUR BASKETBALL PROGRAM IS LIKE TOTALLY TOP 20 AND OUR COACH SUX OMGWTFBBQ" posts is just bloviating.
1) Who is this guy? No one has / had ever heard of him (especially everyone with 'sources' -- haha).
2) What has he accomplished as an assistant?
3) Is his style of coaching what we are looking for as a replacement for what we had?
4) Can he maintain the discipline needed, and assert his will over, the candy-assed prima-donnas on our team that our previous staff could not?
5) Can he keep us out of NCAA trouble while still getting players who can compete on a national level?
Throwing a bunch of "WAAAAAAA FIRE STRICKLIN HE SUCKS AND OUR BASKETBALL PROGRAM IS LIKE TOTALLY TOP 20 AND OUR COACH SUX OMGWTFBBQ" posts is just bloviating.
Looks like you've learned a valuable lesson about believing what peaches, txmud, and their ilk spew on here. All the "gonna be shocked at the names interested" "head coaches are beating our door down" "we turned down scott drew" "shaka smart is warm to the idea of coaching msu", turned out to be pure garbage. You learned the hard way now you're left with starch and loafer jokes that aren't funny.
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