of talent coming out of south panola? I still say it is just going to cost the tire guy more money in wheels.
Now that we have Townsend is there going to be a biblical proportion drought
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If they do, I think it's more that Pogue sucks. USP is never going to have like the Noxubee syndrome or something, where none of the good talent guys are interested in playing...I mean, it's South Panola, those guys play football, that's all they do. They'll always have players unless they just go straight downhill.
There would never be a drought if you could get a few of them every year to qualify academically.
This got me curious......
2002: Chris Herring (Ole Miss)
2003: Ricky Wright (MSU)
2004: Lendrell Barksdale
2005: Derek Pegues (MSU), Travis Sanford
2006: none
2007: Chris Strong (Ole Miss), Jeramie Griffin (Alabama), Leroy Diggs
2008: Tig Barksdale, Bud Barksdale (USM), Terrance Pope (USM)
2009: David Conner (UAB), Marvin Burdette (UAB)
2010: Nick Parker (Ole Miss), Devin Clark (Memphis)
2011: Nick Brassell (Ole Miss), Kendrick Market (MSU)
2012: Isaac Gross (Ole Miss), Temario Strong (Ole Miss),
Is USP really worth all the hype? Looking at that list, the only ones I see that proved they could play was Pegues and Brassell, and Gross maybe, he showed glimpses. And Brassell couldn't even stay in school. Pegues didn't go to class either.
2002: Chris Herring (Ole Miss)
2003: Ricky Wright (MSU)
2004: Lendrell Barksdale
2005: Derek Pegues (MSU), Travis Sanford
2006: none
2007: Chris Strong (Ole Miss), Jeramie Griffin (Alabama), Leroy Diggs
2008: Tig Barksdale, Bud Barksdale (USM), Terrance Pope (USM)
2009: David Conner (UAB), Marvin Burdette (UAB)
2010: Nick Parker (Ole Miss), Devin Clark (Memphis)
2011: Nick Brassell (Ole Miss), Kendrick Market (MSU)
2012: Isaac Gross (Ole Miss), Temario Strong (Ole Miss),
Is USP really worth all the hype? Looking at that list, the only ones I see that proved they could play was Pegues and Brassell, and Gross maybe, he showed glimpses. And Brassell couldn't even stay in school. Pegues didn't go to class either.
We didn't hire him to get USP players. We got him because he's qualified to be a CB coach and he's a very famous (Mississippi) athlete who helps us counter the likes of Alabama in recruiting who have all-star staffs known for winning titles. Check out Brewster's tweets. He's in Florida right now. Do that with Melvin and there's no instant connection like with Deshea.
Some of you can speculate all you want about how he'll help us get these oh-so-coveted USP players who fail out or never live up to the hype. Not at all why he's here.
Some of you can speculate all you want about how he'll help us get these oh-so-coveted USP players who fail out or never live up to the hype. Not at all why he's here.
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Gross showed glimpses? He started from week 2 of Fall camp and all year. He was a freshman all-SEC. 40 tackles, 10 TFL, 2.5 sacks as a freshman. He would've started at State, too. I think he showed more than a glimpse. Alot of those players were/are very talented, just don't want to go to class, and that's a mentality that starts at SP. Your list also missed Peria Jerry and John Jerry, both All-SEC players and NFL draft picks.
Homer much?
He wouldn't have started at State. Are you honestly going to try to tell us that he's better than Quay Evans and Nick James? He would have redshirted at State because of how undersized he is -- right or wrong, that's what would have happened, and we've got a mountain of data at this point that shows it.
You sound like an Ole Miss fan saying Chris Strong was better than Titus Brown after their freshman years. Chris had more Starzz, so who cares about actual performance on the field.
James and Quay proved that they could be out of shape and not make plays. Gross proved the opposite. I've got a season's worth of data to show how Gross performed on the field, you've got a bunch of data on Quay and James performing in high school when they weren't getting kicked out of school or doing other suspicious activity.
James and Quay proved that they could be out of shape and not make plays. Gross proved the opposite. I've got a season's worth of data to show how Gross performed on the field, you've got a bunch of data on Quay and James performing in high school when they weren't getting kicked out of school or doing other suspicious activity.
Yes he would've started at State. He would beat out Cherrington undersized or not. Yes he's better than Evans and James, or at least he has a better head on his shoulders and will probably have a better career than both because of it. The guy was in the backfield quite a bit against Barrett Jones and Alabama's NFL line. I'd say you're the one being the homer for thinking he would've redshirted at State simply because of his size.
Gross was vastly underrated coming out of high school primarily because of his size, but he is clearly on his way to being an All-SEC type player in the next few years. His first step, instincts, and technique are not easy to teach.
im guessing you didn't watch us much, which is fine, but it's a bit foolish to suggest he wouldn't have been at least first off your bench if not starting over Cherrington. Our DL was better than yours this year, and he started for us.
Quay was not out of shape -- and he dominated every snap he played. Why didn't he play more? Why don't you ask his position coach who was obviously told to find another job and took a $100k pay cut to be at UGA right now?
Look, it's a known fact that we would have redshirted Gross. If we took him in the first place. If you disagree, please point me to ANYONE we've played at any position early in their career without prototypical size and measurables under this regime. I'll be waiting.
Fact is, Gross was looking around late in his recruitment -- and we didn't give him the time of day. Granted that looks like a pretty big mistake right now, but over the terms of a career, we will see...
If you think he's a superior player over his career, surely you would bet on his NFL draft stock vs our two guys... but you won't.
Only 3 paragraphs in which you say basically nothing? I am disappoint.
Going to be hilarious to watch you crawfish on this over the next two years... Of course, you will probably disappear at that point in time.
I agree. Bruiser is off to a particularly homeristic and overall terrible return. Emotional and cocky due to one season. MSU fans know this drill all too well. Don't know who it was that was saying they were glad Bruiser was back, but they were wrong. He's not only a rebel, but he's a huge combination of a prick and a douche. The worst type, in other words.
That ******* fagget wasn't gone all this time because of surgery or whatever he came up with. He was gone because he can't post anything worth a **** if Ole Miss doesn't have something good going for it. Surprised he didn't commit suicide over the past 3 years. Unfortunately for him, Mullen isn't going to lay down and die like Nutt did when we beat them in 2009. He proved that by telling Wilson to take a hike, no matter what the recruiting consequences.
That ******* fagget wasn't gone all this time because of surgery or whatever he came up with. He was gone because he can't post anything worth a **** if Ole Miss doesn't have something good going for it. Surprised he didn't commit suicide over the past 3 years. Unfortunately for him, Mullen isn't going to lay down and die like Nutt did when we beat them in 2009. He proved that by telling Wilson to take a hike, no matter what the recruiting consequences.
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Apologies. I wil exit the thread and let you and engie get back to your regularly scheduled discussion of how you were so deep you would've redshirted freshman All-SEC players and call other fans homers for having the nerve to disagree.
Forgive me. To respond, yes I'm happy with where we are athletically. We hired a real AD. We hired a football coach that has everything I wanted in a coach and has exceeded my expectations so far. I can't complain. Will we take over the world? Probably not, but we are going to be competitive under Freeze, and next year we return a lot. There are a lot of things to like. We are where you were following the 2009 season, but I'm hoping and believe Freeze will bring in more talent than Mullen did after those early seasons. Time will tell, but I like our chances with the effort he puts into recruiting.
On the surgery thing, it was a joke and a Robert Elliott reference. I'm surprised so many people missed that reference. Really I had a change in jobs and decided to take a break from message board entertainment for a little while. Nothing too exciting, but stupid season drew me back in. If I was just being an *** I would've been here right after the Egg Bowl.
By the way, I don't expect Mullen to lay down, but he's going to have to recruit better to try to compete at a higher level. He doesn't have the Tyrone Nix whipping boy to keep the fans happy, so he's going to have to step it up. Time will tell if he does.
If we had Warren Sapp in his prime this year
Chris Wilson would have started Cherrington over him. Just because Wilson is a moron- who took a "lateral move" to Georgia in part because of brilliant personnel decisions like that- it doesn't mean that Gross is better than Evans or James.
Chris Wilson would have started Cherrington over him. Just because Wilson is a moron- who took a "lateral move" to Georgia in part because of brilliant personnel decisions like that- it doesn't mean that Gross is better than Evans or James.
I just hope he will be crawfishing in the next 3 years. All we have to go in is this season. And Gross was FR All-SEC while neither James or Evans could get much playing time on a bad defensive line. They may be better players, but if they can't get on the field it doesn't matter.
Come on, now. You have to look at this more objectively than that. I mean, the defense sucked all year and it was widely understood that we did have talent. Then Wilson was shown the door. Coaching is 50%, recruiting is 50%. Maybe 40/60 but you get my point - you have to have both. Our defense didn't play with any confidence this year. The talent was there, and in no way do I think Ole Miss' potential is better than ours, in fact I think it's the opposite. They did, however, play better this year, at least near the end.
I don't know what Wilson was smoking but he made some brain dead decisions this year. At first I didn't want to see him go, but it was painfully obvious he wasn't ready to run a defense. The single biggest reason our offense appeared bad in some games this year is because our defense made each game into a shootout.
I don't know what Wilson was smoking but he made some brain dead decisions this year. At first I didn't want to see him go, but it was painfully obvious he wasn't ready to run a defense. The single biggest reason our offense appeared bad in some games this year is because our defense made each game into a shootout.
You sure haven't lost your touch. I get it, you guys are just like us, just a little bit better. We get it. You think you're awesome. You should fit in well with the new batch of Genespage homers around here. Matter of fact you'll probably succeed in turning this place into Eggbowl.com 2.
Any poster who's halfway rational around here sniffed out your **** long ago. It's boring. Come with something new.
Any poster who's halfway rational around here sniffed out your **** long ago. It's boring. Come with something new.
I like where we stand. I won't deny that, even if you don't like it. And Gross is a very good player and will continue to get better. Those are my opinions and I can't alter them for you to make you feel better.
I will leave it at that. For now I need to get back to sucking cock since that's what Ole Miss fans do.
I will leave it at that. For now I need to get back to sucking cock since that's what Ole Miss fans do.
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If this is the mentality your coaching staff takes they are dumber than I thought. Quay and James didnt play because they couldn't get their **** together on and off the field. Gross played because he could. He may be undersized but he sure as hell whipped some SEC OL *** this year with technique. Kiffen said all year his technique was better than any DL on the team. Peria Jerry was undersized at this point in his career and he did OK.
You stick to those facts of Gross being redshirted at State because of some perceived inadequacy, I'll keep pointing to his performance this year as evidence that he would beat out every single DT on your team this year.
