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dpic73

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Trump was not in office when the border bill was voted on. The bipartisan bill committee was 0ne Republican senator. the House had already said the proposal was dead on arrival in that body and did not even bring it to committee.
Correct but I'll remind you that this bill was demanded by Republicans who saw it as ransom to include with the Ukrainian aid bill, and yes ONE Republican, ONE Democrat and ONE Independent crafted the bill, which Republicans were initially in favor of until Trump urged them to torpedo the bill so he could campaign on the issue. Republicans dutifully complied and declared it dead on arrival before they even knew the details, even though it closely resembled the bill passed by the Republican House the year before. Quit pretending like this was anything other than Trump's doing, even though he wasn't in office because the GOP House was just that afraid of crossing him.

GOP senators seethe as Trump blows up delicate immigration compromise




Look the $37trillion debt is not a republican' s fault or a democrat's fault, both parties are complicit. I personally believe that the only way we get to balance, if that's even possible, is with cuts and tax increases. But, to get there both sides have to be willing to talk to each other and compromise. But, if I read one of your posts correctly, you don't want anything to do with Trump. So, how do we get to where it seems like both of us would like to go, if we can't talk with the other guy.
Ding ding ding, yes whether you like it or not, it was irresponsible to keep taxes at the level of the 2017 tax cut bill because it had already added 2 trillion to the debt and they still decided to add 4 trillion more. And I'm laughing at your innocent suggestion that we should talk with Trump for a compromise on the BBB - do you really think he would listen or give one sh*t about what Democrats want?

 

tboonpickens

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Correct but I'll remind you that this bill was demanded by Republicans who saw it as ransom to include with the Ukrainian aid bill, and yes ONE Republican, ONE Democrat and ONE Independent crafted the bill, which Republicans were initially in favor of until Trump urged them to torpedo the bill so he could campaign on the issue. Republicans dutifully complied and declared it dead on arrival before they even knew the details, even though it closely resembled the bill passed by the Republican House the year before. Quit pretending like this was anything other than Trump's doing, even though he wasn't in office because the GOP House was just that afraid of crossing him.

GOP senators seethe as Trump blows up delicate immigration compromise






Ding ding ding, yes whether you like it or not, it was irresponsible to keep taxes at the level of the 2017 tax cut bill because it had already added 2 trillion to the debt and they still decided to add 4 trillion more. And I'm laughing at your innocent suggestion that we should talk with Trump for a compromise on the BBB - do you really think he would listen or give one sh*t about what Democrats want?


This Ned guy is so incredibly disingenuous when tries to explain away Trump's tanking of the border bill that Lankford and other Rs pushed very hard. I guess the situation was so dire that we could afford to just let it ride for another year no biggie smh. Cynical political gamesmanship at its worst.
 
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dpic73

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This Ned guy is so incredibly disingenuous when tries to explain away Trump's tanking of the border bill that Lankford and other Rs pushed very hard. I guess the situation was so dire that we could afford to just let it ride for another year no biggie smh. Cynical political gamesmanship at its worst.
I feel like it proves that he's thoroughly conservative despite his claims of being neutral because how could you not know these things unless you're never exposed to them? I'm willing to bet he has FoxNews running in the background 24/7.
 
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I feel like it proves that he's thoroughly conservative despite his claims of being neutral because how could you not know these things unless you're never exposed to them? I'm willing to bet he has FoxNews running in the background 24/7.
I am conservative, I have said this many times. Not disingenuous. I just understand how the Congress/government works. Did it for decades. In congressional activity, not all is as it seems on the surface. There are tons of bills dropped which make the drafters feel good, but have zero chances of every being passed. There were provisions in the "bipartisan bill" that would have never made it through the entire process. Did Trump kill it for political reasons? I have no reason not to believe it, there are too many who say he did. But you guys make too much of this IMO, there are leaders of both parties who interject themselves into the process to either kill or support legislation. Happens all the time. Is Trump better at leading Congress? Absolutely. He's a stronger leader, bigger personality that Biden. Did Biden never weigh in with members of Congress on his priorities? If you think no, then you're naive. So trump was a former president who pushed senators to get what he wants. Think Obama has never weighed in with senators on things he wants? Or how about former senators or representatives. Some of these guys make their living off "influencing" their former colleagues. Heck, even every day citizens and more importantly heavy donors weigh in also. It's our form of government. But, in the end, Trump had no vote on this bipartisan bill, neither did Biden on the infrastructure bill or his stimulus bill, but to think these happen in a vacuum is naive.

Personally I did not like some of the provisions of the immigration bill. I did not want it to pass.

I don't watch much of fox news to be honest. I have found over the years that each network has its own bias and reports the news according to that bias. I'm more into finances so I watch some of CNBC, Fox business and bloomberg.

I don't get as excited about these political things as you guys do. As I said there are a lot of motives behind what members of Congress do. And, as I've said many times, just because Congress pass something and the president sign it into law does not mean it's the end of debate or action. There's always next year, or supplemental budgets or reprogramings, and even in some cases we ignore the laws.

Now I admit to one major weakness when I compare my posting with yours. I really have no ability to see what other people are thinking as you, Tboone and dpic, seem to be able to do. And, I can't see into the future as well as either of you. You two seem to have this ability to know just about everything correctly about why Trump does what he does, and of course to know that whatever he does is either wrong or done for some nefarious reason. I applaud you for that keen insight,. Very few people have that ability.

See, I know I'm not always right. I make mistakes. I sometimes agree with a political action, only to see a result and later change my mind. I'm not like you who can read posts on a board and determine, without any doubt, the intentions of another poster. It must be hard having to deal with someone who just might have a different opinion than yours and, without reflection, determine that other poster is duplicitous. I'm likely a little older than both of you and I'd be willing to bet have had many more experiences both in the business, military, international and legislative world than both of you combined.

I see things through my own prism. I think the federal government is too big and is incapable of managing large programs efficiently. I believe in states responsibilities and think that if a state wants high speed rail lines or increased medical benefits for its citizens it should pay for them. If they can't afford these things than maybe they shouldn't do them. I think a $37 trillion debt is too high. I think we should cut benefits and raise taxes to get closer to balanced budget. I believe everyone should pay federal taxes. All of us should have some skin in the game. I believe in a strong military and strict law and order. I believe we have to take care of those who need help, but don't think a one size fits all approach is effective. I'm on social security and Medicare. I think our government has been deficient in providing adequate funding. I think if you're in the country illegally that you should go home. I also believe our immigration system is antiquated and needs to be revised.

Ok that's enough. Sorry for the expansive post. But I tried to show a little of who I am, not who you might have determined I am. I don't think Trump is always right and I don't think Biden was always wrong. Life doesn't work that way. You two on the other hand seem to determine that Trump is wrong on everything. And, I think that's inaccurate. Just my opinion.
 
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Dadar

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Looking like Trump will be playing the blame game today. Always someone else's fault.
 

dpic73

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I am conservative, I have said this many times. Not disingenuous. I just understand how the Congress/government works. Did it for decades. In congressional activity, not all is as it seems on the surface. There are tons of bills dropped which make the drafters feel good, but have zero chances of every being passed. There were provisions in the "bipartisan bill" that would have never made it through the entire process. Did Trump kill it for political reasons? I have no reason not to believe it, there are too many who say he did. But you guys make too much of this IMO, there are leaders of both parties who interject themselves into the process to either kill or support legislation. Happens all the time. Is Trump better at leading Congress? Absolutely. He's a stronger leader, bigger personality that Biden. Did Biden never weigh in with members of Congress on his priorities? If you think no, then you're naive. So trump was a former president who pushed senators to get what he wants. Think Obama has never weighed in with senators on things he wants? Or how about former senators or representatives. Some of these guys make their living off "influencing" their former colleagues. Heck, even every day citizens and more importantly heavy donors weigh in also. It's our form of government. But, in the end, Trump had no vote on this bipartisan bill, neither did Biden on the infrastructure bill or his stimulus bill, but to think these happen in a vacuum is naive.

Personally I did not like some of the provisions of the immigration bill. I did not want it to pass.

I don't watch much of fox news to be honest. I have found over the years that each network has its own bias and reports the news according to that bias. I'm more into finances so I watch some of CNBC, Fox business and bloomberg.

I don't get as excited about these political things as you guys do. As I said there are a lot of motives behind what members of Congress do. And, as I've said many times, just because Congress pass something and the president sign it into law does not mean it's the end of debate or action. There's always next year, or supplemental budgets or reprogramings, and even in some cases we ignore the laws.

Now I admit to one major weakness when I compare my posting with yours. I really have no ability to see what other people are thinking as you, Tboone and dpic, seem to be able to do. And, I can't see into the future as well as either of you. You two seem to have this ability to know just about everything correctly about why Trump does what he does, and of course to know that whatever he does is either wrong or done for some nefarious reason. I applaud you for that keen insight,. Very few people have that ability.

See, I know I'm not always right. I make mistakes. I sometimes agree with a political action, only to see a result and later change my mind. I'm not like you who can read posts on a board and determine, without any doubt, the intentions of another poster. It must be hard having to deal with someone who just might have a different opinion than yours and, without reflection, determine that other poster is duplicitous. I'm likely a little older than both of you and I'd be willing to bet have had many more experiences both in the business, military, international and legislative world than both of you combined.

I see things through my own prism. I think the federal government is too big and is incapable of managing large programs efficiently. I believe in states responsibilities and think that if a state wants high speed rail lines or increased medical benefits for its citizens it should pay for them. If they can't afford these things than maybe they shouldn't do them. I think a $37 trillion debt is too high. I think we should cut benefits and raise taxes to get closer to balanced budget. I believe everyone should pay federal taxes. All of us should have some skin in the game. I believe in a strong military and strict law and order. I believe we have to take care of those who need help, but don't think a one size fits all approach is effective. I'm on social security and Medicare. I think our government has been deficient in providing adequate funding. I think if you're in the country illegally that you should go home. I also believe our immigration system is antiquated and needs to be revised.

Ok that's enough. Sorry for the expansive post. But I tried to show a little of who I am, not who you might have determined I am. I don't think Trump is always right and I don't think Biden was always wrong. Life doesn't work that way. You two on the other hand seem to determine that Trump is wrong on everything. And, I think that's inaccurate. Just my opinion.
This was an unnecessarily long-winded post when you could have just admitted you were wrong. Reminder that I wasn't attacking you, it was you that started challenging me and now you're upset that I exposed your talking points?

Your claim: "Trump was not in office when the border bill was voted on. The bipartisan bill committee was 0ne Republican senator. the House had already said the proposal was dead on arrival in that body and did not even bring it to committee."

None of this was an honest depiction for how this border bill came to be and why it was torpedoed so I just set the record straight.

Your claim: "But, to get there both sides have to be willing to talk to each other and compromise. But, if I read one of your posts correctly, you don't want anything to do with Trump. So, how do we get to where it seems like both of us would like to go, if we can't talk with the other guy."

And then you naively suggested that it's the fault of the Democrats for not talking to Trump when the man clearly hates the party that tried to hold him accountable for his multitude of crimes - how about attacking the correct party in this equation - you know, the one that you decided to give a get out of jail free card. It's absurd to suggest the Dems are at fault here so I called your bluff.

Don't take this so seriously, I don't hate you and this is just a message board where we challenge each other's positions and if we didn't, there'd be nothing to talk about. That doesn't make me all knowing but in this discussion, you were wrong. That's all...
 
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baltimorened

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This was an unnecessarily long-winded post when you could have just admitted you were wrong. Reminder that I wasn't attacking you, it was you that started challenging me and now you're upset that I exposed your talking points?

Your claim: "Trump was not in office when the border bill was voted on. The bipartisan bill committee was 0ne Republican senator. the House had already said the proposal was dead on arrival in that body and did not even bring it to committee."

None of this was an honest depiction for how this border bill came to be and why it was torpedoed so I just set the record straight.

Your claim: "But, to get there both sides have to be willing to talk to each other and compromise. But, if I read one of your posts correctly, you don't want anything to do with Trump. So, how do we get to where it seems like both of us would like to go, if we can't talk with the other guy."

And then you naively suggested that it's the fault of the Democrats for not talking to Trump when the man clearly hates the party that tried to hold him accountable for his multitude of crimes - how about attacking the correct party in this equation - you know, the one that you decided to give a get out of jail free card. It's absurd to suggest the Dems are at fault here so I called your bluff.

Don't take this so seriously, I don't hate you and this is just a message board where we challenge each other's positions and if we didn't, there'd be nothing to talk about. That doesn't make me all knowing but in this discussion, you were wrong. That's all...
I know I'm not always right. Just to be clear though, only people who have a vote can actually pass or kill a bill before them. You might be 100% right that Trump pressured every Republican on this bill, but, you don't know that. You might just be wrong. Just maybe the majority of Republican senators and/or republicans didn't like what was in the bill. I know I saw many TV interviews with republicans who blasted the bill. And remember, you need 60 votes in the Senate for cloture. There weren't 60 votes for this particular bill, imo. So again, IMO, this bill was going nowhere with or without trump.

In my experience it takes two sides to create animosity. You seem to believe the current level is the fault of republicans. I don't see it that way. I think it's both parties. I read from a democrat, "trump will talk to anybody". Now I don't know if that's true, but this democrat seemed to believe that if you have a good position you want to propose, that Trump will talk to you about it. That this person's opinion not mine. You don't seem to agree, but it's my experience that you can move an issue forward if you don't have two sides pushing together. If democrats, or republicans for that matter, can't work with the other side to find a middle ground then nothing will happen. And if nothing happens then bother those on the left or right will simply complain that other side is at fault.

I know you can't get beyond Trump's crimes. . Just to clear, I don't care. There are felons, murderers, rapists walking the streets after being released on no cost bail. We have millions of undocumented migrants walking free and illegally working. And, many on the left don't seem to care. People walk in stores and steal stuff, walk out and we're ok. Not I know two rights don't make a wrong, but we can't be selective about which criminals we have walking around, even if one is president. Sorry I know you can't see similarites, But I do.
 

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Are these supporters of trump fascism giving any thought to the future life under fascism? They seem to only look at their personal short term benefit, primarily $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
 
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dpic73

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Are these supporters of trump fascism giving any thought to the future life under fascism? They seem to only look at their personal short term benefit, primarily $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Actually, that's how you know it's a cult because the majority of them will be harmed financially, not helped. But they don't care because this false idol worship gives their life meaning.
 

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Do I remember correctly that Trump was going to swoop in and be NC's hero? I guess after the photo op he forgot.


what's really disgusting is that the MAGA dipshits will slander Biden because they don't understand how FEMA works, but all of the normal wack packers like @fatpiggy @Weapon_X @baltimorened won't say a damn thing about this or Grandma Dog Killer sitting on an aid request for days when the TX floods hit because she changed the rules in her infinite brilliance and then failed to react in a timely manner.
 

dpic73

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what's really disgusting is that the MAGA dipshits will slander Biden because they don't understand how FEMA works, but all of the normal wack packers like @fatpiggy @Weapon_X @baltimorened won't say a damn thing about this or Grandma Dog Killer sitting on an aid request for days when the TX floods hit because she changed the rules in her infinite brilliance and then failed to react in a timely manner.
As long as she looks good larping in a flak jacket, they couldn't care less.
 

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I am conservative, I have said this many times. Not disingenuous. I just understand how the Congress/government works. Did it for decades. In congressional activity, not all is as it seems on the surface. There are tons of bills dropped which make the drafters feel good, but have zero chances of every being passed. There were provisions in the "bipartisan bill" that would have never made it through the entire process. Did Trump kill it for political reasons? I have no reason not to believe it, there are too many who say he did. But you guys make too much of this IMO, there are leaders of both parties who interject themselves into the process to either kill or support legislation. Happens all the time. Is Trump better at leading Congress? Absolutely. He's a stronger leader, bigger personality that Biden. Did Biden never weigh in with members of Congress on his priorities? If you think no, then you're naive. So trump was a former president who pushed senators to get what he wants. Think Obama has never weighed in with senators on things he wants? Or how about former senators or representatives. Some of these guys make their living off "influencing" their former colleagues. Heck, even every day citizens and more importantly heavy donors weigh in also. It's our form of government. But, in the end, Trump had no vote on this bipartisan bill, neither did Biden on the infrastructure bill or his stimulus bill, but to think these happen in a vacuum is naive.

Personally I did not like some of the provisions of the immigration bill. I did not want it to pass.

I don't watch much of fox news to be honest. I have found over the years that each network has its own bias and reports the news according to that bias. I'm more into finances so I watch some of CNBC, Fox business and bloomberg.

I don't get as excited about these

@baltimorened

Dear Sir:

I admire your leap at explaining to @dpic73 some of your inner workings and ideology.

You exposed your authentic and genuine side in my opinion which probably mirrors a lot of how I approach life.

That being said I would say that your attempt to bridge the gap will end in futility as it seems some people are not for something , but pick the against something.

I like to approach every issue with an open mind using common sense. You seem to follow that also.

I have been on here a very long time being a cave man era tiger LOL way back in the 60-70 eras.

Your discussion with @dpic73 I actually enjoyed watching because in dealing with people who suffer TDS cannot stand back and analyze and come to logical conclusions and decisions.

I talk to family and people all the time and one mantra I think is very universal is

You just don’t think like them so you will never understand them

I have observed over years the many folks on here who post and there are all kinds

@dpic73 along with a few more cannot discuss a subject an open mind due to TDS

So I may reply some but realize there is no hope sometimes

You will find that to be true