Ok I've had enough. That's enough whining out of you 17'ers

Coach34

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SEC basketball does not equal SEC football. SEC football = Big East basketball

****** comparision

20 wins didnt get us in the NCAA Tourney- it got us in the NIT- 8 wins gets us in a NYD Bowl. NYD Bowl > NIT

Another ****** comparision

So, to summarize, you made a ****** post
 

IBleedMaroonDawg

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Look I'm happy y'all fired Stansbury.

Id be happy if you fired Mullen.

You might get your wish with some of these dumbasses talking about holding his feet to the fire if we don't get 8 wins or better a season.

Morans
 
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maroonmania

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4 things:
#1. Good Comparison: look at Kentucky before Joker and during Joker Phillips: In DAN I trust! Best MSU coach I have seen since 1977
#2. All the Defensive stats discussed, you almost have to throw the A&M game out. Johnny football destroyed everyone the last half of the year
#3. My complaint: the offensive line went down hill during the year, no improvement I could see. ***** about that bunch. Luckily Dan inherited a good O Line in 2010
#4. Besides us, who the hell did Ole Miss beat?

You are dead on with #4. OM really didn't beat anyone in hindsight that they shouldn't have beaten except for possibly us. Yes, they got some moral victories but their wins were all over opponents that greatly underachieved this year just like ours were.
 

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SEC basketball does not equal SEC football. SEC football = Big East basketball

****** comparision

20 wins didnt get us in the NCAA Tourney- it got us in the NIT- 8 wins gets us in a NYD Bowl. NYD Bowl > NIT

Another ****** comparision

So, to summarize, you made a ****** post


You would definitely know about ****** posts. Since, you know, you're the king of them. Have you paid NAFOOM the $50 dollars you owe yet?
 

00Dawg

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don't forget his old sig line about stansbury's record vs. top 25 teams. Here's a new one for him. Mullen is 3-20 in games that matter. All 3 wins are against Ole Miss, and only one of thos 3 was against an Ole Miss team that won an SEC game that year.
Wait, what? What's the criteria for games that matter?
 

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That's just plain stupid. Part of why Wilson can recruit is his rep. Can he recruit with that rep in the *******?

It's the equivalent of saying AU should keep Chizik because he has a rep as a recruiter.
 

johnson86-1

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Y'all need to stop being dubmasses.

...I'm not saying to get rid of Mullen, but I think he has peaked. Like Stansbury, I think mediocrity is the norm under Mullen. Mediocre records, not necessarily, but mediocre results when all things are considered...

Mullen has peaked for recruiting cleanly in th SEC at MS (really he's not yet bottomed out since he's had the benefit of players recruted by Crooms). We are unfortunately at a plateua; but with last year's recruiting class and this upcoming one are true juniors and sophomores, we should have more talent at state than we have had since Mullen got here. Hopefully next year will be the last year we are simply at too much of a talent disadvantage to compete against top tier SEC teams. We just need to get to a bowl next year to maintain some momentum.

There's no doubt that our DC position is ****** and it may keep us from going to a bowl next year, but I'm not sure what we can do about that. It's going to be painful to fire him and painful to keep him. Whichever route we go, we're likely going to think in hindsight we should ahve gone the other way. Our only hope is that our DL improves enough that our defense won't kill us.
 

JackShephard

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Regular season games against quality teams plus vs ole miss is what I'm using. I guess you could count LaTech last year and say 4-20. But let's face it, outside of those 4 wins, our regular season wins are vs 3 SWAC teams, Memphis (twice), Vanderbilt, MTSU (twice), Kentucky (4 times), Georgia (6-6), Houston with their 3rd string QB, Florida (6-6), UAB (twice), UT Martin, a 3-9 auburn team, Troy, south Alabama, a 5-7 Tennessee team, and a 4-8 Arkansas. Don't know about you, but to me this screams "mediocre". A lot of these games had to be decided in the 3rd or 4th quarter too.
 

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Once MSU started to play decent to good teams...

Yes, its accurate to say that Bama, LSU and Texas A&M are only "good". We **** the bed one half of football against our rival at their house, lost to 3 top 10 teams and the 17 sky is falling.

Let's list the teams that have been completely off the football radar for an entire season or more since Mullen has been at MSU: Ole Miss, Auburn, Tennessee, Arkansas, and Georgia. We used to be on that list every few seasons and sometimes multiple seasons in a row. Haven't been since Mullen has been here.

What teams has LSU overachieved and beaten this year? How about Oregon? Notre Dame? Oklahoma? Which SEC teams have avoided being upset this year?

Realistic expectations for MSU at this time is a winning season and a bowl game with hopefully a major upset along the way while avoiding any major upsets.

Expecting and demanding greatness, all from the comfort of your internet keyboard. Your grand-dad would be so proud of you.
 

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In both of your posts, you've just made up **** in order to be more pessimistic and spin things more negatively than they really are. Neither one was anywhere near reality. If you are going to *****, at least get the FACTS correct. Yes, I intentionally deleted your quote because it was too stupid to bear repeating.
 
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JackShephard

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You need to quit kidding yourself

On the talent thing. There was more talent on this roster than we've had in a long time. Getting talent, redshirting and stockpiling talent has never been Mullen's problem. What we are doing with it is what's concerning. I don't think we have the talent to beat LSU or Bama, obviously...but we should have kept it closer than we did. We also got beaten by a less talented OM team who also fared better vs LSU, Bama, and A&M. If our average margin of defeat was 10 for those 3 games, and we had beaten ole miss I would be ecstatic with Mullen's progress. And I'm not even saying he's not going to get there. I'm just saying that its nut cutting time. I see reasons for concern and if they aren't corrected soon, there's a good chance they never will be. It's time to start taking an objective look. If things aren't better by the end of 2014, they aren't getting better. Next year is huge. We have a real schedule again. He wins 8 games next year and I shut up immediately. He wins 5, you may want to revisit what I'm saying.
 

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So.

I don't give a 17 who we beat for our 8 wins. We got 8 wins. Who did we beat when we won 8+ games all those other years? What were the records of the teams we beat then? I don't know, and I don't care.

The key thing is 8 wins a year = 21 extra days of practice. That is another spring training to develop younger players.

Am I pissed we lost to OM, Yes. Hell I'm pissed we lost to A&M.

But to want wholesale changes after winning 8 games? you guys need to go cheer for Ole Miss. That's how they got Eddie O.
 

JackShephard

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My list of his wins is fact. I was you last year and I take up for you a lot. I know you know you're **** and you're right more than wrong. But I respectfully disagree here. I want nothing more than for Mullen to be the next Saban and have him here for 25 years. However, I'm not sticking my head in the sand. He has 29 wins right now. 25 are against SEC teams with 6-6 or worse records or OOC cupcakes. Unless one of those 4 KY teams was above .500 (regular season), that's a fact. Getting mad and calling names doesn't change that. That gives him one quality win per season, and two are bowl wins, and one is a WAC team.
 

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Rushing yards allowed per game...2010: 119; 2011: 153; 2012: 166

Rushing first downs allowed...2010: 95; 2011: 118; 2012: 126

Passing yards allowed per game...2011: 197; 2012 223.

Third down conversions allowed...2010: 35%; 2011: 36%; 2012: 41%.

Do you see a trend here?


Yeah I see a 17ing trend when our starting MLB & OLB cover up deficiencies on defense and are now playing well in the NFL the "trend" is to normally a fall off (unless your LSU or Bama). Stop slobbing on Manny's knob like Todd4state and open your eyes. They run the same damned defense (Wilson & Manny). Both use cover 3 & cover 2 shells. I at least like the fact we are now trying to be in more multiple personnel groupings under Wilson. It will help us later in players development and if he stays will allow us to give different looks defensively to confuse the opposing QB. We were able to get pressure on Wallace in the 3 down set multiple times. Manny consistently stayed in a 4 down linemen set because at the time after Wright & White LB depth was sparce.
 

00Dawg

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Well, you obviously decided on some narrow criteria. For starters, bowl games matter. Let's get that out there right now. They matter, and short of an upset or rivalry win, people are more likely to remember them than any regular season win. Also, Florida finished 8-5 in 2010, and was ranked when we beat them at their place. Kentucky was a bowl team twice when we beat them, and obviously UGA was as well. MTSU won 10 games in 2009, and they've got 8 wins right now.
10-20, not 3-20. It's not great, but when the worst loss of the Mullen era is the 2012 Egg Bowl...

Speaking of losses, let's look at the combined records of who Mullen lost to. 220-55. Before UM, the worst team we'd lost to finished 8-5. Let that sink in for a minute. No one we've lost to didn't make a bowl. The people who beat us on average finished 12-2.

Maybe this is mediocrity, but for modern Mississippi State football, it's ground-breaking.
 

engie

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My list of his wins is fact. I was you last year and I take up for you a lot. I know you know you're **** and you're right more than wrong. But I respectfully disagree here. I want nothing more than for Mullen to be the next Saban and have him here for 25 years. However, I'm not sticking my head in the sand. He has 29 wins right now. 25 are against SEC teams with 6-6 or worse records or OOC cupcakes. Unless one of those 4 KY teams was above .500 (regular season), that's a fact. Getting mad and calling names doesn't change that. That gives him one quality win per season, and two are bowl wins, and one is a WAC team.

W - 10-3 #34 MTSU
W - 7-6 UK
W - 9-4 #20 Ole Miss
W - 6-7 Georgia
W - 8-5 #31 Florida
W - 6-7 Kentucky
W - 7-6 Michigan
W - 8-5 La Tech
W - 6-7 Wake Forest
W - 8-3 MTSU

/=/ 25 cupcakes.

Why don't you fill me in on who we've lost to... since we will no doubt be in agreement that this Ole Miss team is the worst loss in Mullen's 50 game career thusfar.
 
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Here are some facts about how soft Mullen's wins have been the last 3 years..

In the last three years MSU has beaten four teams that finished the year with winning records. Im not counting Jackson State, Gardner Webb or TN Martin.

Those four wins were:

2010 Florida (8-5) win
2010 Michigan (7-6) win
2011 La Tech (8-5) win
2012 MTSU (8-3) win

So in the last three years Mullen has four signature wins against teams with a winning record.

In Croom's 2007 season he had four wins against teams with winning records:

Auburn (9-4)
Alabama (7-6)
Kentucky (8-5)
UCF (10-4)

Over the last two years the winning percentage of the team's Mullen has beaten is 35%. They are a combined 55-102.

I just wonder how much credit Mullen should get versus how much credit Byrne and Stricklin should get for scheduling nothing but layups.
 

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The trend is we lost NFL caliber dlineman. But I agree we seemed to be stagnant on defense and needed to make changes and didn't.
 

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we have 21 losses

The worst is Ole miss this year
only 4 have not won 10 games ...8;8;8;9
16 teams had won 10 are more games
3 were nat'l champions and 1 lost to bama in a nat'l

every team mullen has lost to has went to a bowl game

we should have been ole miss, but he is 3-1 vs ole miss
 

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I understand who we've lost to. We just aren't winning the regular season games we need to win to take the next step. Auburn last year, South Carolina last year, ole miss this year....we just aren't doing well at all against better competition. In regards to your list, I already included ole miss and I was not using the bowls bc they don't mean much, a month off and then playing a game is stupid to me and that goes for all bowls. But let's count them. I really thought Florida was 6-6 in 2010, so I messed that one up. We will count it even though most people will agree they weren't good that year. As for the rest, I'm sorry but 8 or even 10 win sun belt teams don't impress me. Neither do 6 or 7 win SEC teams with no good wins of their own. I already counted LaTech to. So that gets us to 6-20 (not counting a 7 loss ACC team as a good win either). I'm sorry, but that's pretty mediocre to me. It's just my opinion. I think after 4 years, it's worth considering that he may not be able to get us past mediocre.
 

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Best post I've read this season... You're GD right C34. Enough bitching and whining. If an 8-4 season in the SEC is not good enough for you, then maybe you need to start rooting for Oregon. Mullen has us going in the right direction. This is a really good season for us. Could it be better? Sure, a little bit.... But it can, and has been much, much worse.

Enjoy the success we've had this season, because if we were to get a new coach, the results aren't likely to improve.
 

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these are fair points, and I don't deny them. But at the end of the day, we beat teams who are average or bad (i'll concede there are a few "good" wins, but none that jump out at you really) and lose to teams that are good (usually very good - is this just misfortune that we play so many really good teams...i don't know). It's a debate, and I'm not saying Mullen isn't a good coach or needs to be fired. I'm just saying it's worth considering that he may not be the guy who can get us over the hump. He really is a lot like Stansbury in that regard. Under Mullen, we should continuously be no worse than average, but will we ever be really good (sweet 16 basketball, Cotton Bowl or better football)? It's a question I have and I am just giving reasons why I have the question. I'm not bashing. I'm trying to be objective.

So, let me spin this on you and Engie. What has Mullen done in the last 4 years to give you so much hope that he will get us over the hump? Honestly, maybe you'll point some things out that I haven't thought of that can give me some hope too. Personally, I think he has put the building blocks in place so that if a really good coach did come here, they could be very successful, very quickly (Petrino, Meyer, Tubberville, or similar). Unfortunately I think we have 4 (well 3 really) big problems that I don't have confidence in Mullen to fix: Special teams, Offensive Line, defensive pressure/scheme.
 

JackShephard

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I think there's too much of this attitude on the board these days. It's like genespage. Pump sunshine or get railed, called an idiot, or a b*tch, etc. I think there are plenty of valid points to debate on what our future may look like under Mullen. having questions and telling people why you have those questions shouldn't be ridiculed and dismissed just b/c someone else has a different opinion.

Of course I got railed earlier in the year for saying I didn't think we would defend spread offenses well (we didn't) and that Ole Miss would be playing the egg bowl with their bowl eligibility on the line (they were).

Its fine to express opinions, but the name calling, not allowing differing opinions, and other general childishness on here could be reigned in a bit. at least between us. All of the above is perfectly fine when addressing Ole MIss posters.
 
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Yeah I see a 17ing trend when our starting MLB & OLB cover up deficiencies on defense and are now playing well in the NFL the "trend" is to normally a fall off (unless your LSU or Bama). Stop slobbing on Manny's knob like Todd4state and open your eyes. They run the same damned defense (Wilson & Manny). Both use cover 3 & cover 2 shells. I at least like the fact we are now trying to be in more multiple personnel groupings under Wilson. It will help us later in players development and if he stays will allow us to give different looks defensively to confuse the opposing QB. We were able to get pressure on Wallace in the 3 down set multiple times. Manny consistently stayed in a 4 down linemen set because at the time after Wright & White LB depth was sparce.

So your explanation for our defensive "fall off" is that we haven't recruited the kind of talent needed to replace the players left over from the previous regime. I'm told we've recruited very well since Mullen arrived. Maybe that's not the case. Recruiting isn't my thing.

I am sure that we are giving up rushing yards left and right and it's getting worse each year.

If it's a lack of talent, then that falls on the coaches to recruit. If it's a schematic or strategic problem, that falls on the coaches too.
 

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Let's be very clear about what the "hump" is. Right now, we're close to a perennial Top 25 team for his stint here. Yes, we are. Don't try to deny it. We spent most of 2010 ranked, some of early 2011, and much of 2012. It is what it is.

So, the "hump" has to be better than that. Perennial Top 10. You're telling our coach that after 4 years on campus he has to get us to where we're competing with Bama, LSU, Florida, etc, every year for the conference title. Teams with double (or more) our athletic budget, close to double our seating capacity, and more fertile recruiting gounds. After 4 years.

No.
 

JackShephard

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Wrong. The hump is to jump up and beat somebody we are not supposed to beat every once in awhile. Whether that lands us in the top 25 or top 10 is inconsequential. They whole time we were ranked this year, everybody dismissed us bc of our schedule. Turns out they were right to. Had we beaten A&M or LSU and lost to TN (who would then be 6-6), I would actually feel a little better. We need to win a game or two where we are 7-10 point dogs. That's the hump.
 

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I understand who we've lost to. We just aren't winning the regular season games we need to win to take the next step. Auburn last year, South Carolina last year, ole miss this year....we just aren't doing well at all against better competition.

The problem is in the percentage of our fanbase EXPECTING to beat those teams that have consistently outrecruited us...

Our biggest "problem" in comparison with these other teams is the rise of the SEC nationally. The conference is rising at an speed equal to what we, as a team, are rising. As such, we've just got to ride the wave and hope to catch a couple of lucky breaks along the way. I think it is unfair and outrageous to EXPECT Mullen to get us to the next level in year 4. In the past, these 2 recruiting classes would put us on tier 2 of the SEC... As is, we're recruiting on tier 3 still...

Here is our recruiting(pay particular attention to his 4 yr recruiting mean average) compared to the teams you mention. The only one we have "outrecruited" is Ole Miss and that is because they had a tiny class last year with a dumpster fire. Otherwise they are outrecruiting us.

Fact is, of everything to complain about, I think recruiting in the 10 and 11 classes are the biggest problems, even if we didn't want to admit it at the time.





 
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Let's be very clear about what the "hump" is. Right now, we're close to a perennial Top 25 team for his stint here. Yes, we are. Don't try to deny it. We spent most of 2010 ranked, some of early 2011, and much of 2012. It is what it is.

So, the "hump" has to be better than that. Perennial Top 10. You're telling our coach that after 4 years on campus he has to get us to where we're competing with Bama, LSU, Florida, etc, every year for the conference title. Teams with double (or more) our athletic budget, close to double our seating capacity, and more fertile recruiting gounds. After 4 years.

No.

This is the kind of dumb crap that makes me so mad. No one is saying we have to be a Top 10 program. Or at least, if they are saying that, they are dumb. But we haven't played a competitive game against a good team since South Carolina in 2011.

That's an 18 game stretch (a season and a half) of beating cupcakes (USA, J-State, Troy) and heartless teams that quit (Arky '12, UM '11) while getting absolutely torched by every team with a pulse (Bama '11, Arky '11, Bama '12, A&M '12, LSU '12, UM '12).

The reason we aren't in the Top 25 right now is not our record. It's the way we lost those four games. That says more than the 17ing record ever will.

If you can't see that, you're blind.
 

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I am by no means an expert nor do i pretend to be.

I think there are good wins you just can't expect bears or espn to tell you they are. You have to realize the history our program and while looking at where we were and what we were in the last 10 years.
I consider good wins
2009 Ole Miss; 2010 UGA; at Florida; Michigan 2011 Wake Forest 2012 Auburn; Tennessee; Arkansas
Mullen is 4-0 vs Kentucky and 3-1 vs Ole Miss
Any wins we can get off the middle tier no matter what their years are like are good wins
While we may not have any huge wins, it is also a saying that in 50 games Mullen only has 1 maybe 2 losses that are deemed bad ...last year at auburn and this year at ole miss ...you can't say losing to a 10win team is a bad loss when you have only won 10 games twice in 117 years.

this year when asked what I thought about the season, before even looking at the schedule you have losses to ark; lsu; alabama, well ark lost their coach and they came back to reality ...lsu and bama are really on another level than ours which makes seasons when they are at davis wade; 2 easier games on the road ...so don't look for a great year next year, road games are harder than home games, ground breaking, I know. We are fighting to even say we belong in the middle tier, do we? I am not sure we have only had 6 good season in the last 15 years, most teams in the middle tier have only had 1-2 losing seasons in that same 15 year stretch ...can you take a kid that grew up in mississippi that loves southern; and easily convince him to play in the sec with offers to bama and lsu right now NO!

What has Mullen done?
...he has came in and redshirted and that is no easy feat at msu ...you have a hard time telling me beniquez brown couldn't have at least helped our lb core this year, but Mullen knows redshirting true fr and getting them more up to speed will only benefit our program down the road. While it is hard to do this, the lucky thing is Mullen has just completed his 3rd year of doing this and we are going to our 3rd straight bowl game ...are we whipping top teams, no but we are competing and winning consistently for the first time in 13 years
...the year i believe 2010 when mullen brought in 5 offensive lineman, really set our program back ...why because we needed a juco t, but he sacrificed short-term gains and moved a dt to lt to try and get by and for MSU standards I would say it worked, we now have quality linemen starting in 2013, but we also have quality 2 deep lineman on the offensive side, I doubt this has ever happened
...a lot of things has made me scratch my head about Mullen in the way he has done things, that I am not accustomed to at MSU, but none have been for the benefit of the present, every decision has been to benefit the program in the future; the good thing about that is we are now getting into the future, we now have to go and add talented stars that we can filter in to a developed foundation to hit that once or twice great season in the middle of consistently winning and no burn redshirts and hope freshman lead us to the promise land
...look at what we asked from the 2009 freshman class ...look what we have asked from the last 3 freshman class ...we have only played 3 in 2010, 2011, I haven't looked yet to see how many he redshirted, I think this year he played more than the previous 2 but that is also telling how our recruiting is getting better.

I still have my problems with Mullen, being to conservative, he seems to coach not to lose instead of coaching to win ...but at the end of the day, we have a respectable program on the field. It is not like we are tailgating all day wondering if we are going to get ran out of the stadium and dominated by a Maine or lose to Troy at home. He is 100% right now in those games, I chose not to try to predict when he will lose the first one and enjoy the success we haven't had in my life time.

I went to msu in 2002-2004. WE WENT 8-23. I will take 8 wins in 1 year every damn day!
 

00Dawg

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If your hump is the same win-loss record, but an upset of someone higher while losing to someone lesser, I think you're pretty much on your own.
 
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No one really cares who you beat or lose to to get there.

Maybe not. But if we go 5-7 or worse next year half this board will be saying, "How did this happen? We were 8-4 last year!" While some of us will have to gently remind you, not all 8-4's are created equal. We beat 8 dog-vomit teams and got blown out 4 times.

In the last three years we've won 10 SEC games against 7 different SEC teams. Every single one of those schools has a new coach or is searching for a coach except UGA.
 
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See- here is where the propaganda leads people astray.

Beating Tennessee for the 1st time since the 1990's is a good win. I dont care what their record is.
Beating UPig like a drum was a good win. We rarely beat them
Beating Auburn is always a good win

Stop feeding the propaganda machine. Beating upper-level SEC teams are good wins- regardless of their record in that particular season.

This is the dumbest thing you've ever posted. And that's saying something. If you did not beat Arkansas this year, you are one of the worst teams in the nation. That is not a good win. If you didn't beat Tennessee this year, you are...well you're Kentucky. aGAIN...not a good win.

You previously said that just because we haven't had a good QB in our history doesn't make Tyler great. I'd agree with your logic but not with your assessment of Russell. Okay, well apply that same logic to this situation. Just because we've sucked against Arkansas doesn't make this year's win a good win.
 

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This is the kind of dumb crap that makes me so mad. No one is saying we have to be a Top 10 program. Or at least, if they are saying that, they are dumb. But we haven't played a competitive game against a good team since South Carolina in 2011.

That's an 18 game stretch (a season and a half) of beating cupcakes (USA, J-State, Troy) and heartless teams that quit (Arky '12, UM '11) while getting absolutely torched by every team with a pulse (Bama '11, Arky '11, Bama '12, A&M '12, LSU '12, UM '12).

The reason we aren't in the Top 25 right now is not our record. It's the way we lost those four games. That says more than the 17ing record ever will.

If you can't see that, you're blind.
Well, there's plenty of people wanting us to go to "the next level", and get over the "hump". I just found one rather weird definition of the latter, so maybe I'm giving people too much credit on having actual quantifiable goals. There's certainly a lot of stat manipulation going on (the USC game cutoff, for instance) in these discussions, but in an era where the "hasn't beaten a West team besides Mississippi" quip became a defensible argument, that's something that has to be faced.

Let me say I do understand where you're coming from, and I don't like the way we lost (although I still thought the LSU game was a decent effort), but barring some last second loss or overtime fight to #1 Bama, we'd still be out of the polls as soon as loss #4 was to a 5-6 UM squad, and deservedly so. That's the nature of the beast.

I do think no one will hardly remember how we played against Bama in the long run. How many people remember how our '76 team played against the Tide? '91 team against Florida? '98 team against LSU?
 

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IbleedMaroonDawg

You might get your wish with some of these dumbasses talking about holding his feet to the fire if we don't get 8 wins or better a season.

Morans



I agree with the first part of your post. Ive met plenty of good Morans on the coast as well as Cueves, and Ladners. When did this common coast last name become an insult?**
 

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I don't expect to beat them on a regular basis. But I expect to compete harder than we have the last two years vs the better teams and win one we aren't supposed to every now and then. Or at least schedule and beat a respectable OOC school. Like an NC State, UNC, Baylor, Iowa state, Northwestern....not schedule and lose to another potential top 15 team (ok st). I know that game isn't Mullen's fault, but if we lose its just another "but yeah, look who we lost to". 8-4 most years is great, but this year it wasn't close. We lucked into the 4 easiest SEC opponents and went 4-0. We played a garbage OOC and won all 4. We got our doors blown off by 3 great teams and one mediocre team. Had we competed better in those 4 games, I would not have these doubts. If we had beaten auburn OR USC last year i would feel better. 2009 and 10 i have no complaints. I don't get why that is hard to understand. And I agree with you on the 2010 and 2011 classes. That is a lot of our problem. Our OL is trash if Gabe or Tobias are missing from it next year. And to whoever was bragging on our 2 deep...please. The only 2nd teamer that is serviceable at this point is Malone.
 
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2 things...

1. The USC game isn't a manipulation. It's literally the last time we played a good team and didn't lose by double digits.

2. I'm not really looking for memories. Who cares how I'll remember this season? I'm looking for what's to come. Given the things I've pointed out, the prognosis isn't as rosy as the 34's & 57's would have you believe.

Basically substitute "remain calm" and "all is well" with "8-4" and "3 bowl trips" and you get a good picture of how those guys sound.