On Twitter, Bruce Feldman and the other Meat Market cronies are pumping up Hugh Freeze for just getting another 4 Star commitment. This one is from Indiana. My thought is that these kids must have some major academic or makeup problems. Not that I can't see a 4 star prospect signing with OM, but I just cannot believe that a kid from Indiana and California would commit to Ole Miss this early in the process if they had other legitimate options. I completely understand that an immature kid could fall head over heels for the square and Ole Miss. However, this early in the process they haven't had a the opportunity to do that yet. It just makes no sense that a 4 star player, from out of the state, would commit to OM this early if he had other legitimate options. Must be academically challenged or shady makeup kids that Freeze wants early to create some excitement although they will never step on campus.
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On Twitter, Bruce Feldman and the other Meat Market cronies are pumping up Hugh Freeze for just getting another 4 Star commitment. This one is from Indiana. My thought is that these kids must have some major academic or makeup problems. Not that I can't see a 4 star prospect signing with OM, but I just cannot believe that a kid from Indiana and California would commit to Ole Miss this early in the process if they had other legitimate options. I completely understand that an immature kid could fall head over heels for the square and Ole Miss. However, this early in the process they haven't had a the opportunity to do that yet. It just makes no sense that a 4 star player, from out of the state, would commit to OM this early if he had other legitimate options. Must be academically challenged or shady makeup kids that Freeze wants early to create some excitement although they will never step on campus.
On Twitter, Bruce Feldman and the other Meat Market cronies are pumping up Hugh Freeze for just getting another 4 Star commitment. This one is from Indiana. My thought is that these kids must have some major academic or makeup problems. Not that I can't see a 4 star prospect signing with OM, but I just cannot believe that a kid from Indiana and California would commit to Ole Miss this early in the process if they had other legitimate options. I completely understand that an immature kid could fall head over heels for the square and Ole Miss. However, this early in the process they haven't had a the opportunity to do that yet. It just makes no sense that a 4 star player, from out of the state, would commit to OM this early if he had other legitimate options. Must be academically challenged or shady makeup kids that Freeze wants early to create some excitement although they will never step on campus.
On Twitter, Bruce Feldman and the other Meat Market cronies are pumping up Hugh Freeze for just getting another 4 Star commitment. This one is from Indiana. My thought is that these kids must have some major academic or makeup problems. Not that I can't see a 4 star prospect signing with OM, but I just cannot believe that a kid from Indiana and California would commit to Ole Miss this early in the process if they had other legitimate options. I completely understand that an immature kid could fall head over heels for the square and Ole Miss. However, this early in the process they haven't had a the opportunity to do that yet. It just makes no sense that a 4 star player, from out of the state, would commit to OM this early if he had other legitimate options. Must be academically challenged or shady makeup kids that Freeze wants early to create some excitement although they will never step on campus.
For the record, I also don't believe they are cheating. I don't believe they have the resources or fan knowledge to cheat on guy from Indiana. Just saying..
No other options? He has double digit offers from several BCS conferences.
The guy didn't start for his HS until the 4th game of his junior year. He started the season on special teams and once they saw what a strong tackler and hitter he was, they knew they had to start him on defense. He ended the season as their leading tackler. As a result, his recruitment got off to a late start.
The reason we got the kid out of Indiana was that our LB coach Tom Allen used to coach HS football in Indiana.
In this copy/paste from an Indianapolis newspaper blog, his coach explains that people were slow to get on him...<span style="font-style: italic;">However, perhaps the most impressive player on the field was Ben Davis
class of 2013 safety Antonio Allen. The 5-foot-10, 188-pound Allen
seemed to be in on every tackle, including a violent shot on Cincinnati
running back commit Deionte Buckley that sent the future Bearcat’s
helmet flying. Buckley left the game with a slight concussion but said
that he’s fine and will be back next week.</span><br style="font-style: italic;"><br style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: italic;">Antonio Allen is/will be a great player: A conservative estimate on the
junior safety’s tackle total on Friday was probably 20. It very well may
have been more. And when the 5-10, 188-pound Allen makes a tackle, the
opponent knows it. He’s a ferocious hitter. Allen knocked Warren Central
running back Deionte Buckley out of the game (slight concussion, Hart
said) with a hard but clean hit in the second quarter that sent
Buckley’s helmet flying. Ben Davis coach Mike Kirschner was asked about
Allen’s all-over-the-field play after the game and while praising his
safety he also slammed in-state programs Indiana and Purdue for not
recruiting him harder. “I told IU, ‘If you don’t get on him soon, I
can’t help you.’ I told the coaches that today. Everybody in the nation
is calling me except them. Them and Purdue. I haven’t figured that one
out yet.” Allen is fun to watch, unless you are a running back about to
meet up with him in the hole.
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The guy didn't start for his HS until the 4th game of his junior year. He started the season on special teams and once they saw what a strong tackler and hitter he was, they knew they had to start him on defense. He ended the season as their leading tackler. As a result, his recruitment got off to a late start.
The reason we got the kid out of Indiana was that our LB coach Tom Allen used to coach HS football in Indiana.
In this copy/paste from an Indianapolis newspaper blog, his coach explains that people were slow to get on him...<span style="font-style: italic;">However, perhaps the most impressive player on the field was Ben Davis
class of 2013 safety Antonio Allen. The 5-foot-10, 188-pound Allen
seemed to be in on every tackle, including a violent shot on Cincinnati
running back commit Deionte Buckley that sent the future Bearcat’s
helmet flying. Buckley left the game with a slight concussion but said
that he’s fine and will be back next week.</span><br style="font-style: italic;"><br style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: italic;">Antonio Allen is/will be a great player: A conservative estimate on the
junior safety’s tackle total on Friday was probably 20. It very well may
have been more. And when the 5-10, 188-pound Allen makes a tackle, the
opponent knows it. He’s a ferocious hitter. Allen knocked Warren Central
running back Deionte Buckley out of the game (slight concussion, Hart
said) with a hard but clean hit in the second quarter that sent
Buckley’s helmet flying. Ben Davis coach Mike Kirschner was asked about
Allen’s all-over-the-field play after the game and while praising his
safety he also slammed in-state programs Indiana and Purdue for not
recruiting him harder. “I told IU, ‘If you don’t get on him soon, I
can’t help you.’ I told the coaches that today. Everybody in the nation
is calling me except them. Them and Purdue. I haven’t figured that one
out yet.” Allen is fun to watch, unless you are a running back about to
meet up with him in the hole.
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Freeze is probably ripping his shirt off and screaming "Wild Boys". It worked for Orgeron. The Next Ole Miss coach will be loaded with talent.
Yea, I understand your excitement, but something just doesn't seem right about it. You are still a 2 and 10 team that shouldn't be getting these types of guys this early in the process unless something is wrong with the kid. He has to pass up a lot of schools before picking you. I can guarantee you that your staff works no harder, and is not outsmarting everyone. There is a reason that he committed this early. Again, my opinion has much more to do with the timing than the player itself. Any smart person who's recruiting is taking off because of a position change would wait and weigh his options before jumping to a 2 and 10 program this early in the process. If he is really good, then the offer would still be on the table late in the process. IMO, it just doesn't make a whole lot sense unless something is wrong with the kid.
and the home state schools, we like our position.
The losses that come this season will be our biggest obstacle.
The losses that come this season will be our biggest obstacle.
Again, I have no problem with the kid picking Ole Miss in the end, however, why would he turn down all those closer schools THIS EARLY. From my knowledge and experience it just doesn't add up.
"I can guarantee you that your staff works no harder, and is not outsmarting everyone. "
Actually, Freeze and staff are outworking people....they have to. OM beat writers have already said that Freeze's work ethic towards recruiting is even more insane than Yaw Yaws...
Freeze has to get on kids early, and stay on them. he has to sell the coaches and players, and the town...because the product isn't sellable yet.
It remains to be seen whether or not Freeze can coach...but one thing is for sure, the man will recruit lights out.
Actually, Freeze and staff are outworking people....they have to. OM beat writers have already said that Freeze's work ethic towards recruiting is even more insane than Yaw Yaws...
Freeze has to get on kids early, and stay on them. he has to sell the coaches and players, and the town...because the product isn't sellable yet.
It remains to be seen whether or not Freeze can coach...but one thing is for sure, the man will recruit lights out.
Just curious, but how do you know he is outworking people? Are you in the program, and also monitor all other programs to make sure that is so? Or are you just saying what you want to believe? SEC football coaches don't sit around playing paper football while others are out there recruiting. I am sorry but the guys that get these jobs get them because of years of hard work. You can go on believing that Freeze is out working people, but I can tell you that there are not enough hours in the day to do so, and it is not true. He may be working as hard as other coaching staffs, but not harder. It's just not humanly possible. Sorry
I don't think it's a huge stretch. Turning down Wisconsin is a little fishy but Iowa is only decent and Michigan State is about to take a turn for worse with the losses of Cousins and the resurgence of UM. Maybe the kid wanted to get out of town and play in the SEC. And Ole Miss is attractive to people who aren't from around here, and that's not even mentioning the fact he could start year #1 for them. What other SEC school can you say that about? We redshirt everyone and we're sitting towards the bottom of the conference.
And lots of kids commit early to ensure a spot. But all these kids want to play in the SEC. Wisconsin and Iowa are certainly SEC calibre programs and if they really want this kid they'll be tough to hold off considering we'll be doing good to win 5 games this year, meanwhile Wisconsin will probably plow through a mediocre Big 10 schedule en route to the Rose Bowl thus ESPN will spend all season essentially recruiting for them through TV exposure just like they do for other elite programs.
I would also like to make the point that Ole Miss goes out of the state a lot. Mullen very rarely recruits anywhere outside of Mississippi, Alabama, and Tennessee. If Keonning (former Texas A&M QB) decided to recruit some sought after guys from Texas I'm sure we'd snag some, but we'd have to dedicate time we use evaluating and recruiting guys close by to travel, meet with them, bond with their high school coaches that we have zero connection with, etc. We could get 4 stars from some random state too, but it doesn't seem worth it if we have to give up time and effort on the home front. Ole Miss might get a couple of top tier guys from Mississippi every year but half of the dandy dozen and pretty much the rest of the state is ours for the taking and that's why.
Mullen can show a picture of Fletcher Cox pre-Balis and then show his NFL combine without ever saying another word and assemble a top 25 class. Of course I'm joking, but Balis is the top S&C coach in the country. Period. Freeze signed Ward. [slow clap]
Proof is in the pudding. OM has a couple highly ranked players committed, and more and more are visiting all the time.
I never said he was the hardest working/premier recruiter in the nation. What I said is that it is a necessity that he out work and out hustle other schools.
OM has been abysmal the past 2 years...and we have 2 4* recruits committed, and one of the best if not the best JUCO DT in the country committed....In April.
That says a lot about his work ethic right there.
I know that many of you will say we are buying players...but taking cheating out of the equation...the only other explanation for our early success is hard work/spending more time on recruiting that others. Hard work pays off...
I never said he was the hardest working/premier recruiter in the nation. What I said is that it is a necessity that he out work and out hustle other schools.
OM has been abysmal the past 2 years...and we have 2 4* recruits committed, and one of the best if not the best JUCO DT in the country committed....In April.
That says a lot about his work ethic right there.
I know that many of you will say we are buying players...but taking cheating out of the equation...the only other explanation for our early success is hard work/spending more time on recruiting that others. Hard work pays off...
I haven't been to Indiana, but I've been to plenty of places that make Mississippi and Mississippi girls look like paradise. The only person I know from Michigan State says it's such a place. I wouldn't be surprised for the University of Wisconsin to be one too. So until he passes up Texas or UGA or something similar, I'm not sure this is that shocking.shotgunDawg said:
A beat writer who covers the SEC said he's never seen a coaching staff with as much emphasis on recruiting. He showed a comparison.
Every single day, 7 days a week, Freeze and his staff meet for no less than three hours to talk about recruiting strategy and analyze film. In comparison Saban being one of the hardest working recruiters does this once a week.
Every single day, 7 days a week, Freeze and his staff meet for no less than three hours to talk about recruiting strategy and analyze film. In comparison Saban being one of the hardest working recruiters does this once a week.
Ole Miss's JUCO DT's offer sheets are a bunch of mediocre Big 12 and Pac 12 teams and Ole Miss, Arkansas, A&M, and State. Of those, he doesn't have a shot at starting at State or A&M, and Arkansas is in a state of uncertainty. You can go to an SEC school and have zero competition or go places you might never start. Quick! Where do you go???? Hard work my ***. Freeze was in the right place at the right time.
No one could ever possibly want to come to Ole Miss without being paid and/or being a thug. Have you learned nothing on Sixpack? Orgeron proved that really good players will come to Ole Miss. Freeze is doing the exact same thing. Let's just hope he can coach better than O.
esplanade91 said:
So do you think Mullen is going to grab the top players in the state this year? If not will he go OOS and get those easy 4 stars?
thrived on bringing in guys no one else seemed to think could be academically eligible and "The Plan" worked it out. I don't think Freeze is going to operate like<div>that. I expect Freeze to recruit well and improve the team greatly, I would expect our rivalry to get back to being meaningful in about three years.</div><div>
</div><div>I am a realist.</div>
</div><div>I am a realist.</div>
Saban is recruiting for the current national championship team.A team that has been putting a ton of players in the NFL;ateam that has a ridiculous amount of pull just because of the coach;a team with one of the best histories of NCAA football; and ateam with unbelievable facilities. I am not exactly surprised that he isn't recruiting as hard as Freeze.
Hell, if I were you guys I would be absolutely expecting to hear about how hard Freeze is working to turn things around. He better be on it like crazy before your season starts. That schedule is brutal.
What is unfortunate is when we hired Crooms you didn't hear **** about his recruiting. Fortunately he didn't leave the cupboard completely empty for Mullen. He figured it out somewhat but never figured out how to coach.
Hell, if I were you guys I would be absolutely expecting to hear about how hard Freeze is working to turn things around. He better be on it like crazy before your season starts. That schedule is brutal.
What is unfortunate is when we hired Crooms you didn't hear **** about his recruiting. Fortunately he didn't leave the cupboard completely empty for Mullen. He figured it out somewhat but never figured out how to coach.
How are they "out working everyone" in the damn country, yet they have time for 3 hour meetings everyday? When are they meeting? From 1am til 4am bc the other 21 hours are spent with croots, right? You jackasses are so pathetic with that nonsense. Unless every recruit is within driving distance of Oxford, they aren't meeting for 3 hours a day on that ****. And don't say **** about conference calls or 17ing Skype either.....I have a conference call or two a week, and there's no chance in hell anyone is spending 3 hours on one. 7x3=21 hours by the way....sounds like they are taking at least 1 day off per week from actually recrootin. You morons get stiff thinking about recruits in April of the previous year? Really? And just think of all the silent commitments you already have that haven't even been revealed yet! Hotty Toddy! What a joke
when Freeze puts a rattlesnake in their hands and says, "So, do you want to play for the Rebels?"
whereisomaha said:
I didn't say anything about 4 stars. But your commit list is like 5 guys and one of them is from Mississippi. MSU will get mostly 3 stars, but they're going to be from Mississippi and Memphis, and I'm willing to bet they'll have offers from Ole Miss too. I think Freeze is doing a good job, but you're not going to build a sustainable program by spending 21 hours a day 7 days a week recruiting 4 stars from Indiana and California. You're not going to fill your entire roster with these guys. You understand that the best players MSU has had over the past couple of years have been 2 or 3 stars right? Unless you're a homer you'll admit that Banks is one of the top DBs in college football. Ole Miss has to start evaluating kids from small schools HERE and getting them on campus rather than attempting to get big names to woo the fans. We're not Alabama. But by recruiting gems Alabama doesn't have to recruit because they only get 4 stars we can compete with them. I want Freeze to bring Ole Miss up to a respectable level, but I think he's got the wrong philosophy.
But yes, Ole Miss is cheating; they're definitely not selling playing time at an SEC school at all.
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