On the PSU Job, heard Mullen is 2nd choice
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He won in Indy because he had one of the greatest QBs ever.Not to mention his time in Tampa. Even that half baked-Croom-wanna-be-retard they currentlyhave as a coach "took" them to a Super Bowl with Manning.
Look at how great that team is now. This season alone tells me that Dungy is/was all hype. Not to mention they would be stupid to hire someone that has been out of the college game this long.
But I guess it's more of a PR move for them than anything else.
Look at how great that team is now. This season alone tells me that Dungy is/was all hype. Not to mention they would be stupid to hire someone that has been out of the college game this long.
But I guess it's more of a PR move for them than anything else.
I was told I would be wetting my pants if we hired Dungy, but I don't see it.
He hasn't coached in college, at least not in a long time. Not to mention his success was based on a QB and a system that he won't have in college.
I could halfway understand it at PSU for the PR purposes, but I see him being a huge risk if any college team were to take a chance on that type of hire.
Not to mention the fact that he's probably too honest for the college game. See Croom's recruiting before he finally figured out that he needed someone to work behind the scenes.
He hasn't coached in college, at least not in a long time. Not to mention his success was based on a QB and a system that he won't have in college.
I could halfway understand it at PSU for the PR purposes, but I see him being a huge risk if any college team were to take a chance on that type of hire.
Not to mention the fact that he's probably too honest for the college game. See Croom's recruiting before he finally figured out that he needed someone to work behind the scenes.
He took Tampa Bay to the playoffs four of his six years there. They hadn't even had a winning season in the 15 prior to him getting there. And he did that with Shaun King. Defense is what he's always been known for, and that's why Indy wanted him. He did well enough to get them a Super Bowl. Peyton gets far too much credit, and Dungy doesn't get enough.
His squeaky clean, no nonsens, helped Mike Vick, image has to be appealing. Plus, it may be a hire thatwould ease some of therecruits' parents fears.
His squeaky clean, no nonsens, helped Mike Vick, image has to be appealing. Plus, it may be a hire thatwould ease some of therecruits' parents fears.
Croom, Weiss, Sherman, etc. It just seems that one they areingrainedwith the NFL-style of football its much harder to go back to the college game and be successful.
But he also lost his job and had another coach win the Super Bowl a year later.
I just don't believe that he deserves all of the hype he recieves.
I just don't believe that he deserves all of the hype he recieves.
<table class="wikitable"><tbody><tr><th>TB</th><th>1996</th><td>6</td><td>10</td><td>0</td><td>.438</td><td>4th in NFC Central</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>-</td></tr><tr><th>TB</th><th>1997</th><td>10</td><td>6</td><td>0</td><td>.625</td><td>2nd in NFC Central</td><td>1</td><td>1</td><td>.500</td><td>Lost to Green Bay Packers in NFC Divisional Game.</td></tr><tr><th>TB</th><th>1998</th><td>8</td><td>8</td><td>0</td><td>.500</td><td>3rd in NFC Central</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>-</td></tr><tr><th>TB</th><th>1999</th><td>11</td><td>5</td><td>0</td><td>.688</td><td>1st in NFC Central</td><td>1</td><td>1</td><td>.500</td><td>Lost to St. Louis Rams in NFC Championship Game.</td></tr><tr><th>TB</th><th>2000</th><td>10</td><td>6</td><td>0</td><td>.625</td><td>2nd in NFC Central</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>.000</td><td>Lost to Philadelphia Eagles in NFC Wild-Card Game.</td></tr><tr><th>TB</th><th>2001</th><td>9</td><td>7</td><td>0</td><td>.562</td><td>3rd in NFC Central</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>.000</td></tr></tbody></table>
Here's Tampa Bay's previous record before he showed up:
<table cellpadding="5"><tbody><tr align="center"><td>1995</td> <td>7-9-0</td> <td>5th -- NFC Central</td> <td>--</td> <td>Sam Wyche</td> <td>Roster / Stats</td></tr><tr align="center"> <td>1994</td> <td>6-10-0</td> <td>5th -- NFC Central</td> <td>--</td> <td>Sam Wyche</td> <td>Roster / Stats</td></tr><tr align="center"> <td>1993</td> <td>5-11-0</td> <td>5th -- NFC Central</td> <td>--</td> <td>Sam Wyche</td> <td>Roster / Stats</td></tr><tr align="center"> <td>1992</td> <td>5-11-0</td> <td>T3rd -- NFC Central</td> <td>--</td> <td>Sam Wyche</td> <td>Roster / Stats</td></tr><tr align="center"> <td>1991</td> <td>3-13-0</td> <td>5th -- NFC Central</td> <td>--</td> <td>Richard Williamson</td> <td>Roster / Stats</td></tr><tr align="center"> <td>1990</td> <td>6-10-0</td> <td>T2nd -- NFC Central</td> <td>--</td> <td>Ray Perkins,
Richard Williamson</td> <td>Roster / Stats</td></tr><tr align="center"> <td>1989</td> <td>5-11-0</td> <td>5th -- NFC Central</td> <td>--</td> <td>Ray Perkins</td> <td>Roster / Stats</td></tr><tr align="center"> <td>1988</td> <td>5-11-0</td> <td>3rd -- NFC Central</td> <td>--</td> <td>Ray Perkins</td> <td>Roster / Stats</td></tr><tr align="center"> <td>1987</td> <td>4-11-0</td> <td>T4th -- NFC Central</td> <td>--</td> <td>Ray Perkins</td> <td>Roster / Stats</td></tr><tr align="center"> <td>1986</td> <td>2-14-0</td> <td>5th -- NFC Central</td> <td>--</td> <td>Leeman Bennett</td> <td>Roster / Stats</td></tr><tr align="center"> <td>1985</td> <td>2-14-0</td> <td>5th -- NFC Central</td> <td>--</td> <td>Leeman Bennett</td> <td>Roster / Stats</td></tr><tr align="center"> <td>1984</td> <td>6-10-0</td> <td>3rd -- NFC Central</td> <td>--</td> <td>John McKay</td> <td>Roster / Stats</td></tr><tr align="center"> <td>1983</td> <td>2-14-0</td> <td>5th -- NFC Central</td> <td>--</td> <td>John McKay</td> <td>Roster / Stats</td></tr></tbody></table>
They got tired of just going to the playoffs. That's like us firing Mullen for being tired of taking us to bowl games.
Here's Tampa Bay's previous record before he showed up:
<table cellpadding="5"><tbody><tr align="center"><td>1995</td> <td>7-9-0</td> <td>5th -- NFC Central</td> <td>--</td> <td>Sam Wyche</td> <td>Roster / Stats</td></tr><tr align="center"> <td>1994</td> <td>6-10-0</td> <td>5th -- NFC Central</td> <td>--</td> <td>Sam Wyche</td> <td>Roster / Stats</td></tr><tr align="center"> <td>1993</td> <td>5-11-0</td> <td>5th -- NFC Central</td> <td>--</td> <td>Sam Wyche</td> <td>Roster / Stats</td></tr><tr align="center"> <td>1992</td> <td>5-11-0</td> <td>T3rd -- NFC Central</td> <td>--</td> <td>Sam Wyche</td> <td>Roster / Stats</td></tr><tr align="center"> <td>1991</td> <td>3-13-0</td> <td>5th -- NFC Central</td> <td>--</td> <td>Richard Williamson</td> <td>Roster / Stats</td></tr><tr align="center"> <td>1990</td> <td>6-10-0</td> <td>T2nd -- NFC Central</td> <td>--</td> <td>Ray Perkins,
Richard Williamson</td> <td>Roster / Stats</td></tr><tr align="center"> <td>1989</td> <td>5-11-0</td> <td>5th -- NFC Central</td> <td>--</td> <td>Ray Perkins</td> <td>Roster / Stats</td></tr><tr align="center"> <td>1988</td> <td>5-11-0</td> <td>3rd -- NFC Central</td> <td>--</td> <td>Ray Perkins</td> <td>Roster / Stats</td></tr><tr align="center"> <td>1987</td> <td>4-11-0</td> <td>T4th -- NFC Central</td> <td>--</td> <td>Ray Perkins</td> <td>Roster / Stats</td></tr><tr align="center"> <td>1986</td> <td>2-14-0</td> <td>5th -- NFC Central</td> <td>--</td> <td>Leeman Bennett</td> <td>Roster / Stats</td></tr><tr align="center"> <td>1985</td> <td>2-14-0</td> <td>5th -- NFC Central</td> <td>--</td> <td>Leeman Bennett</td> <td>Roster / Stats</td></tr><tr align="center"> <td>1984</td> <td>6-10-0</td> <td>3rd -- NFC Central</td> <td>--</td> <td>John McKay</td> <td>Roster / Stats</td></tr><tr align="center"> <td>1983</td> <td>2-14-0</td> <td>5th -- NFC Central</td> <td>--</td> <td>John McKay</td> <td>Roster / Stats</td></tr></tbody></table>
They got tired of just going to the playoffs. That's like us firing Mullen for being tired of taking us to bowl games.
I don't think PSU will go after Richt. Nor do I think he'd want to go there. But it would be funny if he did and UGA called Kirby Smart back (think he's a UGA alum), leaving the Rebs to start anew.
Most coaches fit in the college game OR the pro game, not both. Rare exceptions in basketball and football include guys like Larry Brown and Jimmy Johnson. It's usually an either/or.
People like to point to Petrino, Saban, and Spurrier if they're pushing for an NFL guy. Problem is, those are college guys that tried the NFL and failed, because they belonged in college.
Pete Carroll is one of the few that was virtually an NFL lifer that came to college and had major success. Given his stints in the NFL though, maybe he was always meant to be a college coach, not an NFL coach. He and John Gruden are the only current NFL names that I think could come to college and have success, and Gruden is the only one of those two that had NFL success.
The people that like NFL names are usually the ones that want to impress their buddies at work or the country club with a name. They aren't thinking it through.
People like to point to Petrino, Saban, and Spurrier if they're pushing for an NFL guy. Problem is, those are college guys that tried the NFL and failed, because they belonged in college.
Pete Carroll is one of the few that was virtually an NFL lifer that came to college and had major success. Given his stints in the NFL though, maybe he was always meant to be a college coach, not an NFL coach. He and John Gruden are the only current NFL names that I think could come to college and have success, and Gruden is the only one of those two that had NFL success.
The people that like NFL names are usually the ones that want to impress their buddies at work or the country club with a name. They aren't thinking it through.
Dungy has NEVER coached in college. He has never had to recruit or use 18 year old students in his schemes with limited practice time. He also wouldn't tolerate a lot of the methods used by many of the "great recruiters" in college football today. Therefore, it might be difficult for Dungy to succeed at OM or many other schools.
However, Penn State could use a "good man" like Dungy right now, and PSU being a big program means they don't have to have a slick salesman to recruit well.
However, Penn State could use a "good man" like Dungy right now, and PSU being a big program means they don't have to have a slick salesman to recruit well.
I dont' even doubt that he is a good coach. I just don't think that he is as good as advertised.
If Sean Payton quit this season and there was little to no roster change with the Saints, would he be your first choice or even in the top five of coaches you would want to hire?
If Sean Payton quit this season and there was little to no roster change with the Saints, would he be your first choice or even in the top five of coaches you would want to hire?
Rich McKay became the Tampa Bay GM in '93 and hired Dungy in '96, I believe. <div>
</div><div>While Dungy did have success there, improved personnel, typically the GM's realm, could also explain TB's turn around in the 90's, including the three better-than-average years under Dungy. McKay then went on to help improve the Falcons' plight in the 2000s.</div><div>
</div><div>Point being, I agree with others' uncertainty about Dungy's potential as a college coach.</div>
</div><div>While Dungy did have success there, improved personnel, typically the GM's realm, could also explain TB's turn around in the 90's, including the three better-than-average years under Dungy. McKay then went on to help improve the Falcons' plight in the 2000s.</div><div>
</div><div>Point being, I agree with others' uncertainty about Dungy's potential as a college coach.</div>