Oregon vs unc
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Its ok if you are UNC though, you just keeping throwing "old money" from RC at it! That way its delay, delay, delay AND play, play, play
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Delay delay delay and play play play...the Carolina Way Way Way!!
That's kinda everyone's point...Things do go on at other places, and they all get in trouble because of it. At UNC...
Yeah but what happened at UNC wasn't steering the players into easier programs and classes. These were bogus classes that didn't even really exist and they were given fictitious grades. It's not the same at all as what goes on at other schools. I'm sure there are other schools out there with a paper class here and there, but we're talking about a university that did this for decades. There's probably a sizable chunk of UNC alumni over the last couple of decades who took at least one of those classes while there.
Yeah, there's definitely work that needs to be done from an academic standpoint when it comes to athletes, but there's absolutely no comparison between that in general and what occurred at UNC. There's also plenty of athletes on the majority of sports teams around the country who are great on the field/court as well as in the classroom receiving awards for it and I fully believe they don't receive help from other students or teachers.
Once could be considered just a momentary weakness, 10 times would be habitual, and if you can't tell the difference nothing anyone can say will matter.
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Oh yeah? Then why is it okay for other programs to take a huge hit with probation, vacates, being banned from postseason but not UNC? You've faced no punishment despite proof of violations.
Memphis had to vacate a banner for less so did Michigan and even USC football. No way in hell should UNC be allowed to play in a final four.
Kentucky almost got the death penalty in the 80s for less proof and less serious issues than what UNC has.
-Academic fraud has been proven. We even have two players' transcripts.
- We have Fats Thomas and the "Wheels for Heels" stuff.
- We have Will Graves living in Roy Williams house and a BS job to hush him up.
- We have Hansbroro's mom
There is zero reason it should have taken this long. If this was someone like Rutgers instead of UNC, they'd never drag their feet.
Explain how the NCAA can punish Memphis but not punish UNC?
-Academic fraud has been proven. We even have two players' transcripts.
- We have Fats Thomas and the "Wheels for Heels" stuff.
- We have Will Graves living in Roy Williams house and a BS job to hush him up.
- We have Hansbroro's mom
There is zero reason it should have taken this long. If this was someone like Rutgers instead of UNC, they'd never drag their feet.
Explain how the NCAA can punish Memphis but not punish UNC?
So cheating just a little bit is ok? What's the line where it goes from weakness to transgression?
There's no such line in Chapel Hill. Cheating according to Willingham was like an all you can eat buffet.... OFC
Just want to point out that any time someone says the "classes did not exist" that they are showing their total disregard for the facts of the situation.
Paper classes refers to classes in which a reseaech paper were due for the class. Not that they did not exist.
I am pretty sure that a large amount, if not majority, of schools have these types of classes. I know I had them at 2 colleges I attended.
Paper classes refers to classes in which a reseaech paper were due for the class. Not that they did not exist.
I am pretty sure that a large amount, if not majority, of schools have these types of classes. I know I had them at 2 colleges I attended.
How do you explain McCants and Peppers' transcripts? The emails showing how not to set off red flags?
You cannot deny the wrongdoing.
Notice how UNC goes into mob mentality attack mode as soon as someone (even their own) threatens their basketball program by exposing corruption?
Willingham and McCants got to experience that. UNC is never responsible. It's all just a conspiracy from two bitter people or it was a "rogue" official or whatever just like how it was a "rogue" coach who set up hookers for Louisville basketball players and recruits and "no one knew about it."
Puhleeeez.
And below is an example of one of these "research papers" that you speak of. These classes were as fake as fake can get. Sure UNCHeat "required" the students to turn in crap like this as part of the cover up just like they put regular students in the classes as a cover up. It was all a sham and you're kidding yourself if you think otherwise. The smoke and mirrors was entirely an effort to keep players eligible bottom line.
I know guys who played D-1 basketball at Mich St, Cuse, Oregon and Valpo and they all took/take classes like this. UNC screwed up in a variety of ways but "paper classes" are common for guys in revenue generating sports. The time constraints on them are insane, as well as the pressure. It's great being a major athlete on campus but they don't get the same college experience that any of us did. There are pros and cons to what they go through.
One study indicated that something like 10% of these guys read below a 4th grade level. Some of the research out there is staggering.
And below is an example of one of these "research papers" that you speak of. These classes were as fake as fake can get. Sure UNCHeat "required" the students to turn in crap like this as part of the cover up just like they put regular students in the classes as a cover up. It was all a sham and you're kidding yourself if you think otherwise. The smoke and mirrors was entirely an effort to keep players eligible bottom line.
There are much better pieces of evidence to use than that idiotic "paper". Multiple sources indicated that the "paper" in that photo was part of a draft of a take home final for a legitimate course. The N&O had to publish a clarification concerning that photo because it wasn't credible.
You only sing one tune don't you? Every thread concerning UNC will ultimately devolve into yet another discussion of the scandal, even one labeled "Oregon v UNC", there are other threads to discuss that topic in of course. I noted several times that what went on at UNC was indefensible but you sure do know how to beat a dead horse.
So let's suppose for a moment that fake classes do exist at a large portion of other schools.. Would this make it right? Should UNCHeat not be punished given this? Should those tainted banners be allowed to stay? Using that logic, prisons are full of murderers that should be released immediately.
No it doesn't make it right. Yes there should be repurcussions but there should be repurcussions for all schools that enable this practice (a reworking of the entire system is likely in order). I don't think the NCAA has the jurisdiction in this matter and so I don't think any banners would come down. I understand Bilas' points about the NCAA overstepping their bounds here but yes there should be severe consequences. Lastly, I wouldn't apply that type of logic to murderers and I don't really see the parallel with that point you made.
Okay we can agree on some things so that is good. I thought by you making a reference to it happening other places, you were insinuating that there should be no punishment...hence the murderer parallel. I agree that there is a lot of gray area in what falls in the NCAA's jurisdiction on this but if they let this slide then they need to just give up trying to make anyone abide by the rules going forward because it would be impossible.
Isn't this the argument for the committee on infractions in the first place? Like, if "student-athletes" aren't actually learning anything because of some bogus system in place at the university, that has been put in place with the sole purpose of keeping these folks eligible, then someone needs to stop it because it's to the detriment of everyone except that university. So are you arguing that it happens but shouldn't be stopped?
Where did I say it shouldn't be stopped? I attended university for 7 years, I'm a large proponent of earning your degree(s) whether an athlete or not. However, I do recognize that a student athlete who has practice, games, travel time, etc. will be at a marked disadvantage from almost any other student attending the same class, just based on different responsibilities and time constraints. I also recognize that a large portion of football/basketball athletes would not be able to qualify under the same set of requirements that the regular student body is subject to. The majority of these kids probably need tutoring on a regular basis just to catch up to the kids in their classes who are there based on their actual grades and not their athletic prowess.
These types of practices definitely need to be stopped but it would take a vast, concerted effort by these universities to put the student ahead of the dollars they generate. I'm arguing that it happens and should be stopped but it likely won't be, the almighty dollar rules all.
I think the difference is not that a student cheats once or ten times, its the fact YOUR ENTIRE UNIVERSITY CHEATED LIKE HELL FOR OVER 18 YEARS.
That's a solid difference. Yes , college kids cheat at various things, yes, you can say "Oh hell it happens everywhere". NOT what UNC has been doing. Sorry.
McCants stuff has already been thrown out as he was unreliable.
Peppers stuff was an issue and has already been punished.
Really....UNC fans dismissing the scandal remind me of Don Quixote and the windmills...
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I want Oregon to win so bad. I don't want to leave it up to Gonzaga or Carolina to beat the heels. I just don't think I will able to deal with a unc natty. It's horrible enough with them in the final four. In my hometown paper there was an article on big luke maye that was a page and a half. A 1 1/2 page article focusing on big luke maye. Everywhere I'm at whether it's work or out eating or shopping it's tar heel fans everywhere. I believe their fan base has tripled here. There aren't that many people living here for that to happen but they are all over the place. Please, please, please Ducks win the game tomorrow night. It will be devasting on me if unc wins this thing. I might have to move in with dukiejay in Minn. OFC
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You can believe what you want. It is your right.
However, nothing major is coming from this issue for UNC basketball no matter what you want.
NCAA has alrdy killed their case with their leaked email, their 2nd NOA, and with 1 of the allegations having resolved with the educator now coming forward and no longer refusing to cooperate (and did so with a strongly Pro-UNC statement).
All good tho.
However, nothing major is coming from this issue for UNC basketball no matter what you want.
NCAA has alrdy killed their case with their leaked email, their 2nd NOA, and with 1 of the allegations having resolved with the educator now coming forward and no longer refusing to cooperate (and did so with a strongly Pro-UNC statement).
All good tho.
YOU HOPE.....And btw, plenty has already come from it in a very negative way for the flagship. Say what you want, but you have 2, and possibly 3 VERY TARNISHED Titles....FOREVER TARNISHED,.,
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