Oregon vs unc
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I've aalways respected the latitude you guys afforded over here. I used to be a diehard and loved arguing Duke v UNC until I watched my brother and 2 cousins go through D1 sports. it changed my perception of college athletics so I'd best bow out because I won't see eye to eye with many from my school or others.
Ticket, I am a former D1 athlete (not bball though). Yes, D1 can be dirty, no arguing there, but even trying to defend the blatant and widespread corruption by UNC is just poor form. You know they're wrong, but they will not get penalized to the extent that they should because the NCAA would simply lose too much money.
Never said cheating a little was okay. Any cheating is cheating, and punishment is dependent upon the severity of the infraction. But cheating once and stopping (for whatever reason) shows a repentance, or a fearfulness for not doing it again, but continued, unabated cheating (oh, such as 20 years of institutional cheating) shows no moral compass whatsoever with no intention to ever stop unless a severe enough punishment is meted out.
Again, if you can't tell the difference nothing anyone can say will matter.
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But what does that even mean in the bigger picture? Let's be blunt here. For the fanbases who dislike UNC, it just adds more to their dislike or even hatred in some cases. The thing is, once this investigation is over, I fully believe no matter if they skate, get hammered, or even just slightly punished, once they're completely in the clear (meaning bans or scholly reductions are over), the recruits will still come back.
The only thing that would truly make UNC #ForeverTarnished in my eyes would have been for SACS to remove their accreditation.
Let me qualify my statements by saying I don't care about UNC creating crutch programs. I also don't care about Maggette, Lance Thomas, or Duke's Sociology program. I don't care about Bama paying players or Michigan taking players to Italy. College athletics is a billion dollar industry and the fuel to keep the machine running happens to be young male athletes. We force a lot of kids into schools and degrees that they just aren't prepared for. Even the very smart ones struggle to balance their load and it only gets harder when you get to the bigger schools.
It's all a sham. College is supposed to prepare us for the next step in life. Most of these kids will be involved in sports going forward. Why not create a unique sports degree that has actual application for life after sports or even if you go pro? Film study, agent management, contract study, coaching, etc?
I was "being blunt." Its still something that our kids will be reading about in history books. Heck your own UNC STUDENTS filled history prof Jay Smith class this past fall to learn more about Athletes and Academics triggered by the scandal. (Michael Powell article, NYT). Unfortunately school leaders later cancelled the class...So much for "transparency."
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"your own UNC STUDENTS" I think you misunderstood my post. I'm not a UNC fan, been a Duke fan for over 20 years. I just don't think it's going to have that big of an effect on UNC sports once the bans are over, if that even happens. Yeah, people will remember and rival fans will give them a hard time, but in the bigger picture, it's going to have little effect on UNC. Even if titles are removed, the big recruits will start coming back there and they'll earn the titles back that are removed.
I don't disagree with most of what you say but it still doesn't take away the blatant and WIDESPREAD corruption of UNC. And Lance Thomas? That is reaching there man.
We simply agree to disagree....If banner(s) are removed and bans are assessed, you're talking years before big-time recruits start coming back. You're talking a media frenzy!
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Is there actually a UNCheat fan up in here trying to rationalize their UNCheating? You guys should feel lucky, if Duke was in this situation, they wouldn't go a timeout without mentioning the scandal. Meanwhile, I haven't heard a mention of it on TV for a while. Even though it's the biggest academic scandal in history.
Well yeah, a temporary setback. They'll bounce back and just have a bad mark on their history. I am frustrated at the idea of it happening, but it's going to be the reality no matter how lenient or harsh the punishment is.
So McCants was able to type up a fake transcript? Okaaayyyyy.....
Why do you people always say it isn't in the jurisdiction of the NCAA?! How in hell is giving athletes fake grades in order to keep them eligible to play not in their "jurisdiction"?? It seems like one of the most basic examples of what a serious violation is. Good Lord.
To quote UNC History professor, Jay Smith: “The university is operating like a crime family, and it shows the lengths to which they will go to protect their athletic machine.”
Sounds about right. With the season we had and how college basketball is shaping up at the end, I guess the moral of the story is that sometimes evil does win.
Oregon is taking some stupid shots. Reminds me of Duke a little. Down by 2 possessions with 13:00 left so they chunk up 3s
This current UNC team has 6 or 7 MC Donalds all americans on it. If Knox does commit to them they will have only two .They will not be able to sustain their success with out this top level talent common in.This problem will only get worse if the NCAA metes out the proper punishment, which unfortunately will probably not happen
This current UNC team has 6 or 7 MC Donalds all americans on it. If Knox does commit to them they will have only two .They will not be able to sustain their success with out this top level talent common in.This problem will only get worse if the NCAA metes out the proper punishment, which unfortunately will probably not happen
I sure hope they lose tomorrow nite, but honestly I think they get hit harder if they win..
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Some pretty lazy, cheap shots here.
1. Anything involving Maggette occurred in high school, before matriculating to Duke.
2. If there is any concrete information about Lance Thomas out there, I haven't seen it. Just speculation by haters.
3. This one is especially ill-informed. You have a UNX MBA, correct? Many years ago, the AACSB would not give the Duke MBA accreditation because the undergrad management science program did not require enough hours of business courses. Rather than increase the # of business classes in the undergrad major, the university chose to drop the BA in management science altogether. The closest thing Duke has to an undergrad business major is the "Markets and Management" concentration in -- you guessed it -- the Sociology department. Nearly 25% of Duke Sociology majors assume managerial or administrative positions in banking, insurance, real estate, business services, agribusiness, manufacturing, brokerage and investment, wholesale trade, hotel management, private foundations, lobbying organizations, hospitals, and colleges.
Wrong.
If we land knox we'd stil have
Berry pinson Bradley knox.. that's four by my count. Add in Jalek Felton who's a 5 star who everyone knows got screwed royally not being in that game and it's 5. But let's say 4 just for accuracy.
First of all the only people who think Felton is a five star are UNC fans.He did not get screwed out of being a five star he earned that designation by not playing hard all of the time.He probably has five star talent but if the five star effort is not there you are not a five star
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You missed my point. Fans throw Maggette, Thomas, or Sociology at Duke. I just don't care. Like I don't care than UNC had easy classes for our athletes. I don't care. If the kids want to take harder classes or change their major to something more difficult, they are free to do it. But the demands of being a major D1 athlete impair them. The majority are brought to college to play a sport, not be a good student. It's the ugly truth.
But they weren't easy classes. The classes were basically non-existent and required zero effort or attendance. How many years of the investigation are you guys going to keep using the word "easy" to describe the paper classes at UNC?
Fact -- UNX created a crutch program to keep athletes eligible. By citing Maggette/Thomas/Sociology in the same breath, you are implying that there is traction behind these Duke-related items when there isn't.
I know tarholes have it so bad when it comes to the refs. So much so, that when someone gets too close to them, the refs call it a foul. Such as in this case:
Aging, I don't care. I took a history of the Beatles class in college. It was a joke. But it was an easy A. The school sets the rigor, not the NCAA.
But there is. Keep your head in the sand. I used to do that same so I'm not even mad at ya.
2 of 3 scouting websites have him as a 5 star. 1 has him a slot or two out of it.