Oregon, Washington to Big Ten!
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Well let's not start patting ourselves on the back until signing day.
No not really on a regular weekly schedule yet. We will have some 7:30pm EST time starts on NBC this Fall but won't have 10-10:30 EST starts until the new West Coast members play Saturday night games out there which may well carry over to after 1am on Sundays.
Football money doesn't really move the needle. Not when Rutgers budget is north of $5 billion. Ohio State budget is north of $8 billion. The $100 million or so, annually, is a nice chunk of change. But, it's importance is not that great, in the bigger University picture.
I find MBB do better when I'm not watching. @MrsScrew will throw me out of the LR if I watch with her and they start doing poorly.
Same, except I’m the one throwing myself out lol.
Perfect example of the voodoo. Hadn’t watched the team in awhile so watched the MSU RU game at MSG. Watched the first half and was like “are you kidding not again.” Stopped watching at halftime. MBB fans know what happened in the second half. I’m like, that’s about par for the course for me haha.
We may win a national championship if I ever stopped watching football lol.
18 isn’t the final goal. Is it 24, with…
Cal
Stanford
4 other teams from the ACC
Cal
Stanford
4 other teams from the ACC
Makes sense scheduling-wise. The six Eastern division teams could be RU, MD, UVA, UNC, FSU, Clemson.
I don’t think you get past 20 without ND.
Last two spots up to 20 reserved for ACC schools like FSU and whomever.
To go past 20 to 22 or 24 you need ND and then you can add 1 or 3 schools from the former PAC and/or ACC.
The French started the exodus… two face spineless shills
all I know is sarah and bc are shitting in their pants and I love it
Maybe BCU, UCONN and SYR can form the Big Triad Conference.
Play each other 5 times a year.
Lol..ok...so now you are hedging future numbers against your "participation trophy" response? So predictions will be at what? 22% with AAU accreditation in the next year or two? Keep spinning your wheels...even though I am wasting time, it's kind of amusing to me.
Funny thing is, it has nothing to do with the basketball game
This is how fast this came to be. Leaving the ADs out of the conversation. @kyk1827 proved wrong again!
Mandel had the details of it in an Athletic article (paywall). It was originally a 5 year deal for 23M/school but then with counters got boosted up to 25M and had an opt after 3 years for conference if it didn't reach a specific revenue target. If they could reach 1.7M subscribers, the payout would match the B12's 31.7M/school payout and if they could reach 5M subscribers it could hit 50M/school. Some of them didn't think those were realistic targets they could hit but GK was trying to emphasize the opportunity of it. ASU prez was big time on board as he's always been an ardent PAC guy. In an interview yesterday he called it a "23rd century Star Trek" type deal lol.
It was thought that some bigger games could be simulcast on linear networks but there were no guarantees made by Apple and that was left up in the air. Also there was the thought there was going to be a 2nd option with a more traditional linear outlets like GK had been hinting and the schools seem to be on board with that possibility even if may have been less. But that 2nd option never materialized and supposedly fell through at the 11th hour. They were eager to hear about that option and that was what they were discussing in the final days. Personally, I think GK was just slow playing them and stringing them along and there was no real comparable alternative to Apple.
I think the story goes along with the assumption that I think all of them could have gotten over the money, especially now hearing 25M vs 31.7M of the B12. Like I was guessing, it's the exposure part that was the bridge too far. There were no guarantees of sublicensing or simulcasts so that was too much for them.
Excerpts from the article:
But there were no guarantees whether Apple would simulcast certain games on a linear network, as it does with Fox for MLS, in which case conference games would reach a much smaller universe than other major conferences. ESPN currently has 75 million subscribers, far more than the most optimistic projections for a Pac-12 product on Apple+.
“(The Apple deal) was not the deal that we had been discussing just days before, and it was not going to secure (our future),” Washington president Ana Mari Cauce told reporters Saturday. “When you have a deal that people are saying one of the best aspects of it is, ‘you can get out in (three) years,’ that tells you a lot.”
Even despite the underwhelming offer, at least several ADs went to bed Thursday believing they had a deal. Though Arizona and Utah had already applied for Big 12 membership, an Arizona board of regents meeting Thursday night ended with ASU president Michael Crow still unwilling to leave, and he and Arizona president Robert Robbins had pledged for their schools to remain together. If they stayed, Utah would, too.
the Big 12 entered Friday morning wondering whether its plan had fallen apart and the Pac-12 would survive, which might’ve forced the conference to move on and explore adding UConn as its 14th member.
“Late Thursday night, we were like, ‘Man, I don’t know if this is going to happen,’” one person familiar with the Big 12’s discussions said. “We went into Friday morning knowing there was a very real possibility that the Pac-12 was going to stay together as is.”
It was thought that some bigger games could be simulcast on linear networks but there were no guarantees made by Apple and that was left up in the air. Also there was the thought there was going to be a 2nd option with a more traditional linear outlets like GK had been hinting and the schools seem to be on board with that possibility even if may have been less. But that 2nd option never materialized and supposedly fell through at the 11th hour. They were eager to hear about that option and that was what they were discussing in the final days. Personally, I think GK was just slow playing them and stringing them along and there was no real comparable alternative to Apple.
I think the story goes along with the assumption that I think all of them could have gotten over the money, especially now hearing 25M vs 31.7M of the B12. Like I was guessing, it's the exposure part that was the bridge too far. There were no guarantees of sublicensing or simulcasts so that was too much for them.
Excerpts from the article:
But there were no guarantees whether Apple would simulcast certain games on a linear network, as it does with Fox for MLS, in which case conference games would reach a much smaller universe than other major conferences. ESPN currently has 75 million subscribers, far more than the most optimistic projections for a Pac-12 product on Apple+.
“(The Apple deal) was not the deal that we had been discussing just days before, and it was not going to secure (our future),” Washington president Ana Mari Cauce told reporters Saturday. “When you have a deal that people are saying one of the best aspects of it is, ‘you can get out in (three) years,’ that tells you a lot.”
Even despite the underwhelming offer, at least several ADs went to bed Thursday believing they had a deal. Though Arizona and Utah had already applied for Big 12 membership, an Arizona board of regents meeting Thursday night ended with ASU president Michael Crow still unwilling to leave, and he and Arizona president Robert Robbins had pledged for their schools to remain together. If they stayed, Utah would, too.
the Big 12 entered Friday morning wondering whether its plan had fallen apart and the Pac-12 would survive, which might’ve forced the conference to move on and explore adding UConn as its 14th member.
“Late Thursday night, we were like, ‘Man, I don’t know if this is going to happen,’” one person familiar with the Big 12’s discussions said. “We went into Friday morning knowing there was a very real possibility that the Pac-12 was going to stay together as is.”
Taking a step back I'm still confused how Kansas, Cincy, UCF ... I mean most of these B12 teams are worth 31mm a year themselves.
Kansas basketball is valuable, but football drives the bus. Cincy and UCF may not be worth half that value. ESPN, as usual, may have overplayed its hand in an attempt to bully others into a deal that will eventually benefit them with complete control. If I had to guess, ESPN expects these moves to allow them a say in the CFP if they control at least half of the schools.
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Youre the same guy that said playoff couldnt go to 12 because the presidents controlled that, right? Haha
Great work in this thread, as usual!
In my daily e-mail from The Athletic, points I have made in this thread and elsewhere:
"A secondary takeaway: These conferences are comically large. The Big 12, on seemingly unstable ground for so many years, is now the Big 16 — covering the map from Tucson to Morgantown. The Big Ten is now the Big 18(!), stretching from Seattle to Piscataway. It seems like a logistical nightmare, especially for sports other than football. I mean, this map is ridiculous."
And we are B1GGER than Nike!!!! (Channeling my inner Hyman Roth):
Time for a Pulse Poll: What’s your favorite new conference “rivalry”?
- Oregon-Rutgers (2,920 miles apart): Phil Knight vs. Scarlet Knights.
- Washington-Indiana (2,297 miles): The Michael Penix Jr. Bowl.
- Arizona-UCF (2,044 miles): The New Friends Cup. These schools have never met in football, men’s or women’s basketball or baseball (they have played twice in softball and women’s soccer, though).
- Colorado-West Virginia (1,480 miles): The John Denver Classic.
No I didn't. I said the President control any changes. The Presidents council came up with the 12 team playoffs. You said the College Presidents just rubber stamp what the ADs want. How wrong you are!
I still won't write off the idea that in the future UCF/WVU could come back towards the ACC where there is a better geographic fit. UConn could be added as well, maybe even Cincy too.
It all depends on how many teams the ACC ultimately loses to the B10 and/or SEC down the line and I won't assume it will be a lot. It's possible but not guaranteed. If that's the case they are at least on par with the B12 if not better. East coast time zone is valuable too.
Just look how agonizing it was for the PAC schools to leave and that was with a deficit of 7M to the B12 and they really wanted to stay together. It would very likely be the same for the ACC schools and I think they would be in a stronger position than the leftover PAC schools were. So this idea of exodus to the B12 isn't a given. It's possible but not given.
One way it expands the pie for the B1G is that it eliminates the competition for eyeballs in a wide swath of the country leaving only B1G product. By eviscerating the PAC, it diminishes the value of the remaining teams, and shifts more eyeballs and cable subscriptions to the B1G content in the superconference.
This. There are some consortia that go for grants where the B1G matters a teeny bit. But it's mostly competitive, with the best scientists and researchers either competing, regardless of conference, or collaborating based on academic and scientific motivators regardless of conference.
Looking ahead, the possibility of unequal revenue distributions in future TV deals is not far-fetched. If the payouts are determined by brand recognition and football TV ratings, where Rutgers currently languishes at the league's lowest tier, it could lead to further disparities.
Also, FWIW, the handling of new schedules by the B1G, possibly reverting to divisions, whether the B1G will continue to keep Rutgers on a short leash or finally ease up. This could reveal underlying intentions to subtly push Rutgers out of the conference.
I had forgotten about this. So much for the MWC possibly getting this grandfathered benefit if they merged with the PAC.
BIG will never do rev distributions that are based on wins and eyeballs. Bowl game monies and merchandising is another matter
In the future, could the B1G have a moral compass when it comes to revenue distribution? Maybe, maybe not. Yet, when it comes to bowl games and merchandising, it's every school for itself? Interesting priorities
Prominent OSU AD Gene Smith retiring next year and with some comments on Oregon Washington.