Oregon, Washington to Big Ten!

[RUschool]

Weird that they took USC and UCLA, one private, one public...form the Los Angeles market but not Cal or Stanford from the San Fran/Oakland market.

Average 5-year attendance:
1. Washington
2. USC
3. UCLA
4. Oregon

PAC 10 attendance - Cal is number 9 , Stanford 10. Washington brings the entire state of Washington and Oregon brings the entire state of Oregon and most of the northwest states.

 

[vkj91]

These schools aren't bringing in $75 million per year in value! That's why its falling apart because nobody is paying them over their current deal. Teams were making just $20 mill each.

That's because their two most valuable brands had left. Nobody was going to pay for the west coast to watch oregon vs washington state. They will pay to have 3/4 of the country watch Michigan vs Oregon at 730 and USC vs OSU at 10

 

[RU Husky]

As long as we can still play Wagner, all is good.

 

[vkj91]

Average 5-year attendance:
1. Washington
2. USC
3. UCLA
4. Oregon

PAC 10 attendance - Cal is number 9 , Stanford 10

Stanford couldn't sell out the PAc10 championship game when it was in its own backyard.

 

[RutgersDom]

Big ten football 12pm to 12am every Saturday

1 AM with 10 PM (7PM on west coast) start time

 

[WhiteBus]

That's because their two most valuable brands had left. Nobody was going to pay for the west coast to watch oregon vs washington state. They will pay to have 3/4 of the country watch Michigan vs Oregon at 730 and USC vs OSU at 10

Which proves my point. The leftover schools have very little media value.

 

[RUschool]

Even though Rutgers hasn’t done well in the past years, I watch Big Ten football instead of ACC or SEC in general. I think that‘s what happen to the general population of the state. Californians, Washington, Oregon and the Northwest will watch Big Ten football more than ACC or SEC even when their team isn’t playing.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

That's because their two most valuable brands had left. Nobody was going to pay for the west coast to watch oregon vs washington state. They will pay to have 3/4 of the country watch Michigan vs Oregon at 730 and USC vs OSU at 10

I agree with your point but don’t think we’ll ever see Michigan, OSU or PSU in an after dark window or Friday night but anyone else is possible and that’s still an attractive group of teams.

Also you could see any team on a streaming service like Peacock. I know one low level Michigan OOC game is on Peacock this year and also the MSU/Washington game iirc.

 

[krup]

Totally understand the travel part, but I'm confused as to how the team share amounts work. I'm almost entirely ignorant of the process, of how all this works.

If the TV networks agreed to value the 14 current school's TV broadcast at $1400, and the 14 current teams split that into 14 equal shares, then they are promised $100 each. Easy.

But if we add 4 schools, whose broadcast value to the networks is as yet undetermined, then how can the Big Ten be certain the networks will agree to pay out $100 per school? I would think different schools bring different amounts of TV dollars to the equation.

I understand that incoming schools will not earn a full share at first. But still, the Big Ten seems to be agreeing to a per school share prior to having determined what the networks will pay us for them. Seems unlikely to be something the Big Ten and networks could've worked out in advance of knowing which schools would be added, no?

Supposedly the B1G did the research on Oregon and Washington’s value to the TV partners at the time USC and UCLA were added, which is why they knew they wouldn’t get a full share and why they were not just added then.

They aren’t flying blind here. They have a good idea of what partial share is justified that won’t dilute anything for the current members.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

Supposedly the B1G did the research on Oregon and Washington’s value to the TV partners at the time USC and UCLA were added, which is why they knew they wouldn’t get a full share and why they were not just added then.

They aren’t flying blind here. They have a good idea of what partial share is justified that won’t dilute anything for the current members.

Plus the commish is a tv guy so you’d think he’d know the pulse of everything that’s possible.

 

[JRZEER]

Saw a Yahoo Sports story on this too. ASU and Utah might follow Arizona to the Big 12. Tough times ahead for OSU, WSU, Cal, and Stanford.

Someone needs to check in on Bill Walton.

Cal and Stanford will end up in B2G and eventually ND too.

 

[krup]

Cal and Stanford will end up in B2G and eventually ND too.

Supposedly Cal and Stanford were valued at a very low dollar level by the TV partners months ago, which makes sense based on the ratings someone posted above.

The presidents may want Cal and Stanford, but I don’t know that they can sell the diluting of everyone else’s revenue that would entail.

 

[mildone_rivals]

Hm... so from everything everybody is saying, we don't know for certain how things will go, but we feel confident in assuming that the Big Ten understands its revenue potential with the new teams. And we think that whatever that revenue potential estimate is, if the TV market remains the same in 7 years when the existing contracts expire, all the existing teams will do at least as well in payouts as they would've done prior to the addition of the incoming teams to the Big Ten.

I guess that makes sense. Although we'll have to wait and see what happens in 7 years to actually know the long-term impacts.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

Cal and Stanford will end up in B2G and eventually ND too.

McMurphy still has Cal Stanford mentioned as still being thought about in his article about Oregon Washington joining.

I think it’s doubtful for now.

I’ve said it would probably take ND for those schools to make it and the B10 to go over 20 teams.

 

[krup]

McMurphy still has Cal Stanford mentioned as still being thought about in his article about Oregon Washington joining.

I think it’s doubtful for now.

I’ve said it would probably take ND for those schools to make it and the B10 to go over 20 teams.

Here’s the big question relative to our FSU friend Jay.

We know the TV partners didn’t value Oregon and Washington at near the full share, but also that stories have said the B1G has been told by the partners that ND is an automatic full share if they are ever added.

What about FSU? If they pay a boatload of money to get out of the ACC, what do they get if they try to join the B1G mid contract?

 

[vkj91]

Which proves my point. The leftover schools have very little media value.

By themselves. Agree. But with the B1G brand. Disagree.

 

[vkj91]

Hm... so from everything everybody is saying, we don't know for certain how things will go, but we feel confident in assuming that the Big Ten understands its revenue potential with the new teams. And we think that whatever that revenue potential estimate is, if the TV market remains the same in 7 years when the existing contracts expire, all the existing teams will do at least as well in payouts as they would've done prior to the addition of the incoming teams to the Big Ten.

I guess that makes sense. Although we'll have to wait and see what happens in 7 years to actually know the long-term impacts.

Nobody knows what will happen in 7 years. But in fox’s and the B1G’s opinion they add value now.

 

[Nycrusupporter]

Supposedly the B1G did the research on Oregon and Washington’s value to the TV partners at the time USC and UCLA were added, which is why they knew they wouldn’t get a full share and why they were not just added then.

They aren’t flying blind here. They have a good idea of what partial share is justified that won’t dilute anything for the current members.

The media partners told them what they were worth and who they wanted.

 

[Nycrusupporter]

Average 5-year attendance:
1. Washington
2. USC
3. UCLA
4. Oregon

PAC 10 attendance - Cal is number 9 , Stanford 10. Washington brings the entire state of Washington and Oregon brings the entire state of Oregon and most of the northwest states.

The BIG now has the 4 best programs from an area that represents close to a third of the country.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

I know some have nostalgia for the past and geography etc but I think this move towards a national conference is somewhat of a necessity.

It’s a way to make sure you always have negotiating leverage and are the windshield and never the bug.

You may think the B10 is always in the catbirds seat when it comes to sports rights negotiation and it is a premium sports property but don’t forget the trouble Delany had with ESPN that led to the BTN. Or look at the PAC, when Larry Scott signed this expiring tv deal it was all roses and was the richest in CFB at the time and now look at the PAC.

You can’t rest on your laurels thinking everything will always be well in the future. You need to be forward thinking and buttress yourself to any circumstance. If you make yourself national in all corners of the country with lots brand names you become somewhat unassailable in sports rights negotiations. Then you’re not just a premium property but a super premium one that can still make it in an environment where media companies are counting their pennies and being judicious about where to place their dollars. A sort of mini NFL that is very valuable to them and advertisers in any environment.

 

[NickRU714]

Someone tell again how NIL/“athletes only thinking about money” is the downfall of “college athletics as we know it”……

Good thing all these schools and conferences and adults in the room are holding together “college athletics as we know it”….

 

[newwavedave1]

Conference reallignment just plain sucks!

 

[Nycrusupporter]

I know some have nostalgia for the past and geography etc but I think this move towards a national conference is somewhat of a necessity.

It’s a way to make sure you always have negotiating leverage and are the windshield and never the bug.

You may think the B10 is always in the catbirds seat when it comes to sports rights negotiation and it is a premium sports property but don’t forget the trouble Delany had with ESPN that led to the BTN. Or look at the PAC, when Larry Scott signed this expiring tv deal it was all roses and was the richest in CFB at the time and now look at the PAC.

You can’t rest on your laurels thinking everything will always be well in the future. You need to be forward thinking and buttress yourself to any circumstance. If you make yourself national in all corners of the country with lots brand names you become somewhat unassailable in sports rights negotiations. Then you’re not just a premium property but a super premium one that can still make it in an environment where media companies are counting their pennies and being judicious about where to place their dollars. A sort of mini NFL that is very valuable to them and advertisers in any environment.

Fox wants to own the West Coast

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

Someone tell again how NIL/“athletes only thinking about money” is the downfall of “college athletics as we know it”……

Good thing all these schools and conferences and adults in the room are holding together “college athletics as we know it”….

I have no problem with either thing or the transfer portal.

 

[RuSnp]

I know some have nostalgia for the past and geography etc but I think this move towards a national conference is somewhat of a necessity.

It’s a way to make sure you always have negotiating leverage and are the windshield and never the bug.

You may think the B10 is always in the catbirds seat when it comes to sports rights negotiation and it is a premium sports property but don’t forget the trouble Delany had with ESPN that led to the BTN. Or look at the PAC, when Larry Scott signed this expiring tv deal it was all roses and was the richest in CFB at the time and now look at the PAC.

You can’t rest on your laurels thinking everything will always be well in the future. You need to be forward thinking and buttress yourself to any circumstance. If you make yourself national in all corners of the country with lots brand names you become somewhat unassailable in sports rights negotiations. Then you’re not just a premium property but a super premium one that can still make it in an environment where media companies are counting their pennies and being judicious about where to place their dollars. A sort of mini NFL that is very valuable to them and advertisers in any environment.

This is spot on. Honestly right now everybody says the SEC and the BIG but to me it is the BIG first and foremost. The SEC is in one region of the country. Which happens to be the only region the BIG isn't in. You can kinda see where this ends.

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

For anyone clicking on the link, the first reply from @PatrickRU92 is worth the trouble.

 

[gigantor1024]

When do we get a full share of B1G revenue? 2077?

 

[krup]

By themselves. Agree. But with the B1G brand

I know some have nostalgia for the past and geography etc but I think this move towards a national conference is somewhat of a necessity.

It’s a way to make sure you always have negotiating leverage and are the windshield and never the bug.

You may think the B10 is always in the catbirds seat when it comes to sports rights negotiation and it is a premium sports property but don’t forget the trouble Delany had with ESPN that led to the BTN. Or look at the PAC, when Larry Scott signed this expiring tv deal it was all roses and was the richest in CFB at the time and now look at the PAC.

You can’t rest on your laurels thinking everything will always be well in the future. You need to be forward thinking and buttress yourself to any circumstance. If you make yourself national in all corners of the country with lots brand names you become somewhat unassailable in sports rights negotiations. Then you’re not just a premium property but a super premium one that can still make it in an environment where media companies are counting their pennies and being judicious about where to place their dollars. A sort of mini NFL that is very valuable to them and advertisers in any environment.

People are forgetting what the situation was right after the surprise announcement that OU and Texas were going to the SEC.

It has been no secret that ESPN wanted to cut a lot of the lesser schools out of power conference money, and all of a sudden they were USC, Oregon, a few ACC schools that they controlled and the B1G leaders away from creating the SEC as the single football superconference.

The B1G had to take USC and UCLA when they expressed an interest, because that ended the possibility of the SEC getting big enough that it put pressure on OSU and Michigan.

Now we are in a world where two conferences run everything, and as Rutgers fans just have to hope that conferences don’t start measuring and acting on the value of their current members like they do prospective additions.

 

[SantaFeScarlet]

Plus the commish is a tv guy so you’d think he’d know the pulse of everything that’s possible.

The commish is a TV guy....that says it all.

 

[mildone_rivals]

Nobody knows what will happen in 7 years. But in fox’s and the B1G’s opinion they add value now.

Yes, that much is clear. Otherwise we wouldn't have done it.

And in some ways, it's probably the correct strategic thing to do even if, in future years, it somewhat waters down the per team profit. Because to not do it carries its own future risks contingent upon what other conferences might do.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

Someone tell again how NIL/“athletes only thinking about money” is the downfall of “college athletics as we know it”……

Good thing all these schools and conferences and adults in the room are holding together “college athletics as we know it”….

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

The media partners told them what they were worth and who they wanted.

And that’s the way it always works. They can’t make the conference pull the trigger but they’re a lot of winks and nudges.

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

I like the move. Hope the conference also adds Cal and Stanford for 20 schools.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

I like the move. Hope the conference also adds Cal and Stanford for 20 schools.

Personally, I think the two spots up to 20 are reserved for ACC schools like FSU.

Halt at 20 unless ND comes on board and if they ever do then you can add 1 school or 3 from the ACC and/or PAC.

 

[RU#1fan]

TV money stays the same....millions more per year in travel.

Yes.. not good for us.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

 

[MGSA99]

So Mr. Barstool guy was half right.

 

[mildone_rivals]

Apropos of nothing whatsoever, I keep seeing the X logo in tweets people paste and thinking "I wonder how much they paid for that - however much it was, it was too much".

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

I know some have nostalgia for the past and geography etc but I think this move towards a national conference is somewhat of a necessity.

It’s a way to make sure you always have negotiating leverage and are the windshield and never the bug.

You may think the B10 is always in the catbirds seat when it comes to sports rights negotiation and it is a premium sports property but don’t forget the trouble Delany had with ESPN that led to the BTN. Or look at the PAC, when Larry Scott signed this expiring tv deal it was all roses and was the richest in CFB at the time and now look at the PAC.

You can’t rest on your laurels thinking everything will always be well in the future. You need to be forward thinking and buttress yourself to any circumstance. If you make yourself national in all corners of the country with lots brand names you become somewhat unassailable in sports rights negotiations. Then you’re not just a premium property but a super premium one that can still make it in an environment where media companies are counting their pennies and being judicious about where to place their dollars. A sort of mini NFL that is very valuable to them and advertisers in any environment.

Piggybacks my point.

 

[nick614]

Personally, I think the two spots up to 20 are reserved for ACC schools like FSU.

Halt at 20 unless ND comes on board and if they ever do then you can add 1 school or 3 from the ACC and/or PAC.

I heard a lot of FSU and Clemson stuff but I don't think that is real. I think North Carolina and Miami would be far more likely.