Oregon, Washington to Big Ten!

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

I heard a lot of FSU and Clemson stuff but I don't think that is real. I think North Carolina and Miami would be far more likely.

I think FSU UNC but who knows and as of now FSU is the only one actually trying. We’ve got the news of PE money as possibly a way for them to buyout the GOR.

 

[ru66]

People are forgetting what the situation was right after the surprise announcement that OU and Texas were going to the SEC.

It has been no secret that ESPN wanted to cut a lot of the lesser schools out of power conference money, and all of a sudden they were USC, Oregon, a few ACC schools that they controlled and the B1G leaders away from creating the SEC as the single football superconference.

The B1G had to take USC and UCLA when they expressed an interest, because that ended the possibility of the SEC getting big enough that it put pressure on OSU and Michigan.

Now we are in a world where two conferences run everything, and as Rutgers fans just have to hope that conferences don’t start measuring and acting on the value of their current members like they do prospective additions.

You're nuts!

 

[JerseyNoles]

Here’s the big question relative to our FSU friend Jay.

We know the TV partners didn’t value Oregon and Washington at near the full share, but also that stories have said the B1G has been told by the partners that ND is an automatic full share if they are ever added.

What about FSU? If they pay a boatload of money to get out of the ACC, what do they get if they try to join the B1G mid contract?

Honestly no idea
They aren't on ND's level, but are clearly above Oregon & Washington
Perceiption also means a lot so I can't see them getting totally hosed, yet I assume they'd be willing to take a reduced initial share to get out of the ACC
Then there's the question of is B1G helping them pay back ACC exit fee, maybe withold 10mil to give to them so they get 80 mil (if contract 90 mil / year)
If i had to guess, probably 75-80 % full share but who knows

 

[DHajekRC84]

Totally understand the travel part, but I'm confused as to how the team share amounts work. I'm almost entirely ignorant of the process, of how all this works.

If the TV networks agreed to value the 14 current school's TV broadcast at $1400, and the 14 current teams split that into 14 equal shares, then they are promised $100 each. Easy.

But if we add 4 schools, whose broadcast value to the networks is as yet undetermined, then how can the Big Ten be certain the networks will agree to pay out $100 per school? I would think different schools bring different amounts of TV dollars to the equation.

I understand that incoming schools will not earn a full share at first. But still, the Big Ten seems to be agreeing to a per school share prior to having determined what the networks will pay us for them. Seems unlikely to be something the Big Ten and networks could've worked out in advance of knowing which schools would be added, no?

Seriously?
16 guys share 16 grams and 16 hookers . > 18 guys sharing 17 grams and 17 hookers.

 

[ScarletDave]

Good bye all FCS games

4 20 team conferences

4 divisions in each conf

Mini playoff for division winners

Winner of 4 conf champ go to championship final 4 games usual rose bowl, sugar bowl ect ect

The ONLY way this madness stops, is if the 4 conferences get together and take complete control of the college football playoff and TV deal, rid the idea of any “committee” and do it like this. And negotiate 1 single TV deal so no one wants to bolt to other conferences. Like the rest of thr pro sports

 

[DHajekRC84]

Nice advantage over west Coast teams having to fly East to play noon games

 

[krup]

You're nuts!

How so?

 

[Mr. Magoo1]

This is spot on. Honestly right now everybody says the SEC and the BIG but to me it is the BIG first and foremost. The SEC is in one region of the country. Which happens to be the only region the BIG isn't in. You can kinda see where this ends.

Yup. The SEC owns the fertile recruiting grounds of the Southeast, so the B1G grabbed the West coast

 

[MGSA99]

I don't even know what kind of scheduling scheme they'll do now. 3 common opponents and 6 out of 12 opponents and rotate them so you see every conference member in your stadium every 4 years?

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

I don't even know what kind of scheduling scheme they'll do now. 3 common opponents and 6 out of 12 opponents and rotate them so you see every conference member in your stadium every 4 years?

I think it’ll probably be the same flex protect schedule if it stays at 18.

 

[Knight Shift]

 

[RUforlife]

Thank God no Stanford or Cal!!!

 

[cubuffsdoug_rivals]

Totally understand the travel part, but I'm confused as to how the team share amounts work. I'm almost entirely ignorant of the process, of how all this works.

If the TV networks agreed to value the 14 current school's TV broadcast at $1400, and the 14 current teams split that into 14 equal shares, then they are promised $100 each. Easy.

But if we add 4 schools, whose broadcast value to the networks is as yet undetermined, then how can the Big Ten be certain the networks will agree to pay out $100 per school? I would think different schools bring different amounts of TV dollars to the equation.

I understand that incoming schools will not earn a full share at first. But still, the Big Ten seems to be agreeing to a per school share prior to having determined what the networks will pay us for them. Seems unlikely to be something the Big Ten and networks could've worked out in advance of knowing which schools would be added, no?

The B1G accounted for USC and UCLA. The new media deal is based on 16 teams. It's Washington and Oregon who haven't been factored in. This is why UW and UO should go the buy-in route. Rutgers, Maryland, and Nebraska had to do this since they came in after the media deal was established based on the value of 11 teams. Otherwise, they would have been stealing money from members whose value was considered by the networks.

 

[brgRC90]

It's basically a re-enactment of the Civil War and the post-war era, with 3/4 of the country going one way and the south going another.

 

[vkj91]

Honestly no idea
They aren't on ND's level, but are clearly above Oregon & Washington
Perceiption also means a lot so I can't see them getting totally hosed, yet I assume they'd be willing to take a reduced initial share to get out of the ACC
Then there's the question of is B1G helping them pay back ACC exit fee, maybe withold 10mil to give to them so they get 80 mil (if contract 90 mil / year)
If i had to guess, probably 75-80 % full share but who knows

You’ve jumped the shark. FSU holds no cards here and will in no way get 80 million a year to join. They are literally begging to get out of the ACC. If they accomplish that, a big if, they will take whatever the B1G tells them to.

 

[RUsundevil]

Reports are that the media partners were in board with these 2 schools so wonder of there was an unofficial agreement to pay wztra for those 2 schools.

 

[MGSA99]

I think it’ll probably be the same flex protect schedule if it stays at 18.

I obviously can't count. It would have to be 1 common opponent and then rotate the other 16. You get 1 rivalry opponent, that's it.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

I obviously can't count. It would have to be 1 common opponent and then rotate the other 16. You get 1 rivalry opponent, that's it.

Flex protect is like what they just released for the current 16 teams. There are a different number of protected games for the schools. You could have as many as three opponents protected or none like PSU had.

It’ll probably be like that. USC/UCLA will go from 1 protected to probably at least 2 maybe 3 now, same for Washington and Oregon.

 

[JerseyNoles]

You’ve jumped the shark. FSU holds no cards here and will in no way get 80 million a year to join. They are literally begging to get out of the ACC. If they accomplish that, a big if, they will take whatever the B1G tells them to.

Nobody knows who will get what in regard to money
I assume they'll get more than 50 % and less than 100 % (let's call it 80%)

ND would get 100 % off the jump
FSU isn't on ND"s level, but they're well above Washington and above Oregon as well

FSU is not doing all of this without a concrete plan of what's going on (assurances of a landing spot)
They've gone into unpresented waters, and said/done things in public that nobody has seen

They'll be good, and soon at that

 

[rureadyforsomefootball]

Seriously?
16 guys share 16 grams and 16 hookers . > 18 guys sharing 17 grams and 17 hookers.

I like your math

 

[Shelby65]

Totally understand the travel part, but I'm confused as to how the team share amounts work. I'm almost entirely ignorant of the process, of how all this works.

If the TV networks agreed to value the 14 current school's TV broadcast at $1400, and the 14 current teams split that into 14 equal shares, then they are promised $100 each. Easy.

But if we add 4 schools, whose broadcast value to the networks is as yet undetermined, then how can the Big Ten be certain the networks will agree to pay out $100 per school? I would think different schools bring different amounts of TV dollars to the equation.

I understand that incoming schools will not earn a full share at first. But still, the Big Ten seems to be agreeing to a per school share prior to having determined what the networks will pay us for them. Seems unlikely to be something the Big Ten and networks could've worked out in advance of knowing which schools would be added, no?

my question exactly

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

Well it doesn’t have to be like that

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

I obviously can't count. It would have to be 1 common opponent and then rotate the other 16. You get 1 rivalry opponent, that's it.

Like I was saying, still probably the same flex protect they used for 16 with some tweaks.

 

[RUScrew85]

Someone tell again how NIL/“athletes only thinking about money” is the downfall of “college athletics as we know it”……

Good thing all these schools and conferences and adults in the room are holding together “college athletics as we know it”….

This didn't make NIL better or less worse. TV is now choosing conference membership. TV. It won't end well.

 

[RUScrew85]

...

Now we are in a world where two conferences run everything, and as Rutgers fans just have to hope that conferences don’t start measuring and acting on the value of their current members like they do prospective additions.

Imagine RU kicked out for ND at some point in the future...

 

[RUScrew85]

The ONLY way this madness stops, is if the 4 conferences get together and take complete control of the college football playoff and TV deal, rid the idea of any “committee” and do it like this. And negotiate 1 single TV deal so no one wants to bolt to other conferences. Like the rest of thr pro sports

Interesting...

 

[jordkap]

TV money stays the same....millions more per year in travel.

I wouldn’t call it millions, adding 2 additional schools with likely 1 trip out there per year, per sport. A flight to Seattle may even be less money than a flight to Iowa would be.

 

[bbb2021]

have to assume this leads to Arizona, ASU and Utah to the Big 12 and the demise of the Pac 12. Assume that may lead to action in the ACC, as they are only being left further behind now.

The ACC is really in a hard place right now with that crazy 2036 lock in. What a bunch of dumbasses

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

It makes great sense that all PAC teams end up in more eastern leagues... TV money sense. The PAC's problem, moneywise, was that when they played games the sports day was mostly over for the large audience (and advertisers) in the east. They just couldn't get the ratings and the attention.

Now.. up to half their games will be played well east of the west coast and they can leverage the marketability of all the other eastern teams while providing product (games).

 

[Caliknight]

20 is the magic number now.

Unc, Uva, FSU, Clemson, ND, Miami, GT.

Two of those schools will be in the B1G next.

 

[jordkap]

20 is the magic number now.

Unc, Uva, FSU, Clemson, ND, Miami, GT.

Two of those schools will be in the B1G next.

Would love to see UNC and UVA added. Would make a ton of sense too. Notre Dame is obviously choice #1 and should join, but I am guessing they won’t.

 

[krup]

Imagine RU kicked out for ND at some point in the future...

I think it is a lot easier to leave schools behind by jumping to a new conference than to kick a school out (which only happened to Temple as far as I know).

I am a lot more comfortable with 2 big conferences controlled by different media entities, because it is hard to figure how someone could create a conference that would get the blue bloods to leave.

 

[Caliknight]

Would love to see UNC and UVA added. Would make a ton of sense too. Notre Dame is obviously choice #1 and should join, but I am guessing they won’t.

The day is coming when ND is going to have to join a conference.

 

[sct1111]

Are we letting in non AAU members (FSU)?

 

[Caliknight]

I think it is a lot easier to leave schools behind by jumping to a new conference than to kick a school out (which only happened to Temple as far as I know).

I am a lot more comfortable with 2 big conferences controlled by different media entities, because it is hard to figure how someone could create a conference that would get the blue bloods to leave.

Rutgers is becoming too entrenched in the conference to ever get kicked out. There is simply no reason to. Forget athletics. The research side all but guarantees existence forever.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

It makes great sense that all PAC teams end up in more eastern leagues... TV money sense. The PAC's problem, moneywise, was that when they played games the sports day was mostly over for the large audience (and advertisers) in the east. They just couldn't get the ratings and the attention.

Now.. up to half their games will be played well east of the west coast and they can leverage the marketability of all the other eastern teams while providing product (games).

Agree, it’s the whole if a tree falls etc (sorry Stanford lol) ….now people will see them outside of their timezone regularly and that helps them.

Even if the PAC stayed in tact with USC and UCLA, these top brand names couldn’t get the exposure they’re going to get now with 2/3s of the map, especially the important east coast time zone.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

Ouch but Oregon has got Knight’s pockets and Washington will just have to wait for 6 years til the new deal. It’s equal to what they would’ve got from Apple if you subtract their 10M estimated extra travel costs. But now they’re secure and will get plenty of exposure.

 

[RU Cheese]

Now we are in a world where two conferences run everything, and as Rutgers fans just have to hope that conferences don’t start measuring and acting on the value of their current members like they do prospective additions.

I've been wondering that - what are the B1G bylaws or terms regarding removing schools from the conference?

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Ouch but Oregon has got Knight’s pockets and Washington will just have to wait for 6 years til the new deal. It’s equal to what they would’ve got from Apple if you subtract their 10M estimated extra travel costs. But now they’re secure and will get plenty of exposure.

I believe the Apple media deal was going to be about $20M per team so, even at $30M the Big Ten partial payment is superior. As for more costs, Big Ten teams heading out to play in all those various autonomous zones on the left coast will cost them more too...

 

[RUScrew85]

I think it is a lot easier to leave schools behind by jumping to a new conference than to kick a school out (which only happened to Temple as far as I know).

I am a lot more comfortable with 2 big conferences controlled by different media entities, because it is hard to figure how someone could create a conference that would get the blue bloods to leave.

I'm not saying it's likely but if it will happen to some school Rutgers will be it.