OT: #1 NJ to Syracuse

Panthergrowl13

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Pardon me taking this opportunity to rant a little, but...

We really don't have to respect anybody's decisions. I get that this has become a pop culture thing for kids to say with respect to recruitment or transfers, etc. And that its use has, sadly, spread to other, non-sports, contexts.

But when you think about it, it's kind of a dumb thing for people to say in pretty much any context. What people on social media think about other people's decisions is almost entirely meaningless and irrelevant. I'm not sure why anybody would even GAF about what anybody else thinks about their decisions, unless it's some stakeholder.

And in many, if not most, cases, I'm pretty sure respecting decisions isn't even what the player actually means in the first place. Seems that what many are really trying to say is "and the matter is closed for discussion", which is a hint, in sports, aimed largely at other coaches who were recruiting them that basically says "you can stop recruiting me now, thanks".

So why don't they just say that?

But nope, people still say "respect my decision" prompting without fail one of the many voices in my head to reply "nope, I don't think I will" while doing the inner-voice equivalent of giggling fiendishly.

I could probably repress that voice in my head if I really tried. But you know what? I don't think I will.

Respect my decision.
Well the fact remains that people make decisions that they believe will be a benefit to them.

You can disagree with their decision but ultimately have to accept it.

In this era of NIL, Transfer Portal, coaching opportunities, changes are inevitable.

People will discuss if they believe the individual made the correct decision.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!
 

e5fdny

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Can we just discuss snow blowers in this thread since it snows a lot in Syracuse and their football team blows?

- @e5fdny , @koleszar and @knightfan7 -I have not put my snowblower in the "ready" position. Feel like I am tempting fate. I usually have it gassed up and started at least once to make sure it is "ready." Frankly, have spent much of the last week fretting over Syracuse. 😂
Then you’re asking for it…❄️☃️🌨️
 

RUschool

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Maybe we can start a snow blower thread
just use your search function, We have a snow blower thread for the last 5 years. We tend to forget what was posted after 2-3 months especially the older posters, 90% of us.
 

MADHAT1

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If Brown has a winning season, we have to worry about Syracuse continuing to poach top NJ talent.
But over the years , RU fans seen the top talent in the state go out of state to play.
Getting talent, from anywhere , doing to RU is what RU fans need to worry about right now.
Winning brings them in, so if next year is better than this year, expect a more talented class of 2025 to sign on and better portal talent arriving.
Type of talent that signs on will depend on the NIL pay RU has available, which means most will be ones that are close to 4* but need part of game developed more .

As for Brown, like the HC he replaced, lots of good things can be said about the hire, but the program needs to thrive under hm or he'll be replaced .
Bringing in top talent is a big help, but if Brown's coaching talent isn't good enough to make Syracuse a good program , the type of recruits he was able to get starting off will look elsewhere while he can only hope to land a DC position after Syracuse decides he's a loser and kicks him to the curb.

Win and he might be compared to Ben Schwartzwalder
 
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mildone_rivals

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Well the fact remains that people make decisions that they believe will be a benefit to them.

You can disagree with their decision but ultimately have to accept it.

In this era of NIL, Transfer Portal, coaching opportunities, changes are inevitable.

People will discuss if they believe the individual made the correct decision.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!
Nope. We don't have to respect it, accept it, understand it, believe it, or even give it any thought whatsoever, if we don't want to. 😀

Hell, I already can't recall what this decision is about or who made it. I could peek at the thread title to remind myself but the voice in my head just told me not to do so.

And I always listen to the voices in my head. 🤪
 

money3189

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Really? Seems like mixed results. Georgia passing yards/game , SEC rank
2021 (pre-Fran) 172.2 #1
2022 (Fran) 215.1 #8
2023 (Fran) 177.7 #2- shredded by Alabama, out of CFP

🤷‍♂️

Here's an interesting fact: "Brown becomes the fourth Smart assistant to be hired directly from Georgia's staff to become a head coach, joining Dan Lanning Sam Pittman and Mel Tucker.

Well, as Meat Loaf sang, 1 out of 3 ain't bad.

Time will tell.
I was referring to the Oregon game. I specified that game because I specifically heard that story. I dont know what controls he had in other games
 

money3189

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Can we just discuss snow blowers in this thread since it snows a lot in Syracuse and their football team blows?

- @e5fdny , @koleszar and @knightfan7 -I have not put my snowblower in the "ready" position. Feel like I am tempting fate. I usually have it gassed up and started at least once to make sure it is "ready." Frankly, have spent much of the last week fretting over Syracuse. 😂
Another lazy narrative. 18 year olds are not thinking about price of living, scenery, weather. They are not making football decisions based on how it will be raising a family there. lol None of them will have to snow blow during their 3 or 4 winters in Syracuse
 
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Yeah people want to just label him as a DB guy that can recruit. Its lazy.
Yes and to some degree I think's it is a rationalization so that we can still feel warm in our Rutgers will be better than SU in perpetuity blanket instead of the reality which is Syracuse made a good hire and will most likely be improved and potentially pretty quickly if their NIL river runs strong.
 

e5fdny

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Another lazy narrative. 18 year olds are not thinking about price of living, scenery, weather. They are not making football decisions based on how it will be raising a family there. lol None of them will have to snow blow during their 3 or 4 winters in Syracuse
You’ve been around this place long enough to realize snowblowers are a thing here.
 

MADHAT1

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Yes and to some degree I think's it is a rationalization so that we can still feel warm in our Rutgers will be better than SU in perpetuity blanket instead of the reality which is Syracuse made a good hire and will most likely be improved and potentially pretty quickly if their NIL river runs strong.
Recruiting will improve because hiring great recruiters usually do that in the beginning .
Coaching ability, if there, will keep the talent coming.
Brown is a proven recruiter so it stands to reason he'll bring in the talent and NIL money will improve because hiring Brown brings hope that the savior arrived.

But if Brown doesn't prove to be more than a good recruiter and fails to win as a HC, talent will cease to look at Syracuse as an option and look for better programs to play for.
Plus the expectations Brown's hire brought to the boosters that helped get more NIL money flowing will become dismay seeing Brown hasn't improved the program despite the talent they bought and NIL money will dry up.

Rejoice, Syracuse fans, that you brought in a great recruiter and can play that game well
Worry, Syracuse fans, that he might not be up to the challenge as a HC when the game depends on him
 

Knight Shift

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Ha, same comment as the TKR party-line comment about our coach, Mike Locksley. I'm seeing a pattern...
That was a fair knock on Locks, given his coaching record up until the last few years. Maybe he grew and learned, or just maybe he was able to hire better coordinators. Or maybe 80% of his late success was Taulia?
 
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Roy_Faulker

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Also - I have no problem with Brown recruiting 4-5 star players who transfer to Rutgers with a few years of experience and S&C after they’ve had enough of playing in the ACC and want to come home to compete in a real conference.
 
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yesrutgers01

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Another lazy narrative. 18 year olds are not thinking about price of living, scenery, weather. They are not making football decisions based on how it will be raising a family there. lol None of them will have to do anything but blow "snow" during their 3 or 4 winters in Syracuse, when they realize how much it sucks up there
FIFY
 
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But if Brown doesn't prove to be more than a good recruiter and fails to win as a HC, talent will cease to look at Syracuse as an option and look for better programs to play for.
Agreed on the above.

I believe the people who think that him not being a play caller previously as the reason he will not succeed are short sighted. They may end up correct but as Gef stated the HC doesn't usually call the plays.

If he uses good judgement in hiring his assistants and leverages other leadership skills i.e. decisive, charismatic, acting in a manner he wants his players to act then unfortunately for us he will probably do fine.
 

kupuna133

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He doesnt need to. His staff needs to. If he can get kids to come, and buy in, he can be dangerous.
I somewhat agree. He has surrounded himself with great recruiters. I am surprised he didn't bring someone in that has extensive coordinator or head coaching experience. As you have said head coaching is less on field coaching and more administrative. That is a role he has never had. Not saying he cant grow into this role but it is not something he has experience. But anyone that thinks he will not be a pain in the *** on the recruiting trail is sadly mistaken. As you said above he will be dangerous.
 

knightfan7

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Can we just discuss snow blowers in this thread since it snows a lot in Syracuse and their football team blows?

- @e5fdny , @koleszar and @knightfan7 -I have not put my snowblower in the "ready" position. Feel like I am tempting fate. I usually have it gassed up and started at least once to make sure it is "ready." Frankly, have spent much of the last week fretting over Syracuse. 😂
I only have a smallish electric snow blower so no prep needed just as I like it.
 
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RU#1fan

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We're doomed.
Getting old with that shtick
Anybody who thinks this won’t impact Rutgers recruiting has their head up their Arse.
Getting two of the top 10 NJ recruits for one week on the job is an accomplishment.
Thankfully he was hired very late in the Recruiting process.

Greg and Staff will need to continue to sell the vision and demonstrate on field progress with the recruits.
 
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ClkwrkOrange

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Fran will get his fair share of recruits but before anyone panics- let him flip a Rutgers commit first. He has flipped a TAM and Pitt recruit. It currently has no effect on us.

Right. Looking at Coach Brown's targets and their offers, there seems to be little, if any overlap. At least for now. We should both be fine.
 

RUschool

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Recruiting will improve because hiring great recruiters usually do that in the beginning .
Coaching ability, if there, will keep the talent coming.
Brown is a proven recruiter so it stands to reason he'll bring in the talent and NIL money will improve because hiring Brown brings hope that the savior arrived.

But if Brown doesn't prove to be more than a good recruiter and fails to win as a HC, talent will cease to look at Syracuse as an option and look for better programs to play for.
Plus the expectations Brown's hire brought to the boosters that helped get more NIL money flowing will become dismay seeing Brown hasn't improved the program despite the talent they bought and NIL money will dry up.

Rejoice, Syracuse fans, that you brought in a great recruiter and can play that game well
Worry, Syracuse fans, that he might not be up to the challenge as a HC when the game depends on him
Even I expect Syracuse recruiting to improve, they normally have a recruiting class ranked in the 70’s and in a good class around 50’s. They are 11th in a conference of 14 teams, near the bottom of the barrel. If they are lucky they get to the middle of the barrel. The coach will get 8 wins right before his contract is up and renew his contract for another 4 years which the fans will regret similar to Dino Babers. The vicious cycle continues and the hope lies in the next coach.
 
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RUschool

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we have the 35th ranked class of 24 and 19 are not from NJ...Some of our own fans didn't get the memo from Schiano
I previously mentioned the majority of the NJ recruits that we are losing are going to Top 10 National programs, Ohio State, Michigan, Norte Dame, Wisconsin and Penn State, normally the Top 15 recruits and other Big Ten teams #16-20 rated recruits. There just aren’t enough NJ recruits to make a good teams like 20 years ago. Recruiting has to be national. I wouldn’t worry about Cuse recruiting vs Ohio State or Michigan.
 

BoogieKnight

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we have the 35th ranked class of 24 and 19 are not from NJ...Some of our own fans didn't get the memo from Schiano.
Winning at the highest levels of college football goes beyond recruiting NJ high school football players. We now play in a national conference. I think other states may have some good players to develop too😉
 
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miker183

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Fran can recruit, we know this. If he can become a HC, then, yes, Sarahcuse will get better.

But, if he can recruit AND he can coach. does anyone believe he'll be at Syracuse for more than a few years. He's a climber (not a bad thing) and I don't think for a second that he views a middling ACC program as the pinnacle of his career.
 

yesrutgers01

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Winning at the highest levels of college football goes beyond recruiting NJ high school football players. We now play in a national conference. I think other states may have some good players to develop too😉
Greg has gotten smart about it...we have some kids that come out of places like BC and DBP that are national kids- they are usually going to the elites. We then pick and choose the others we want. And Greg doesn't care so much about their state rank as we are in their backyard- we can find the KM type player who was behind the national recruit (Berger). But Greg also realizes we are in the B1G and now we have a pool of players in B1G country and Florida who will be able to play at this level but may need to be coached up just a little more.
And now- we earned a legitimate bowl and able to keep a lot of our players- good shot to do it back to back and then start to look a bit mor appealing to other kids.
If we try to go back to building a fence, we would never be able to compete at this point.
 

Rutgers NJ

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I'm not liking Fran Brown to Syracuse so far. Rutgers pretty much had Syracuse in their rearview mirror, but now HC Brown will be a pain in our arse!!!!
 

DJ Spanky

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We're doomed.

Sorry, but this is a totally invalid use of this phrase without the proper supporting graphic:

 
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RUschool

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I'm not liking Fran Brown to Syracuse so far. Rutgers pretty much had Syracuse in their rearview mirror, but now HC Brown will be a pain in our arse!!!!
The best recruiter of all time at Rutgers, Jeff Hafley, according to most Rutgers fans, Fran comes in a far second, has really made a dent on our recruiting. The last 4 years Jeff has gotten 5 NJ recruit. Their only 2022 recruit is now in the portal.
 

kupuna133

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2024 is a down year for NJ recruiting. Let’s see what happens 2025. NJ25 is a legit class. There are more national type recruits in that class. There are anywhere between 7-12 4 star or higher type recruits.
 

RUschool

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2024 is a down year for NJ recruiting. Let’s see what happens 2025. NJ25 is a legit class. There are more national type recruits in that class. There are anywhere between 7-12 4 star or higher type recruits.
Penn State and Georgia has 2 out of the top 5 2025 NJ recruits already. The majority of them are going to Top 10 programs not Cuse which is in the bottom of the barrel in the ACC.

I noticed that the old Big East teams are on the bottom of the ACC, Boston College, Pittsburgh, Miami, and Cuse. Louisville is doing great. Virginia Tech, the team we beat this year, is doing the well in the conference. VT destroyed Syracuse, Boston College and Pittsburgh.
 
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