I think you miss the point of LIV. I could really care less about the teams but their whole model is creating teams and league (no different than any other team sport). The teams will have owners and they can sign, trade and waive players. Even have relegation. They need the teams because with the no cut you need to score all players to win. That is what keeps a guy way down to try to succeed each tournament. It’s totally different then the PGA. I prefer the PGA way but am open to see how this goes.
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Not understanding the logic section124. Before all these guys were names they were nobodies. Everyone is very close to being equal nowadays. They all have killer game
For sure. Phil came in there with something to prove. His approach shots were spot on but that is also 30 yrs of playing course. All these guys came in with chips on their shoulders they want to start earning world points. I'm telling you as soon as Koepka fulfills his obligation hes coming back on tour. He is like the only one that didnt wear his stupid team logos
All these guys left the PGA for the money & freedom but they have less freedom with LIV. LIV owns them, you think Koepka likes that....not a chance. He is not taking Nike off his head, shirt or shoes for nobody. You think DJ is happy Addidas dumped him. It's a shame all these dudes were bought and now owned..
If the same players perform much better in one format vs the other, doesn’t that say something about the formats?
Disagree mildly on the provisional issue, since the lead essentially becomes 2 by playing the provisional, as he would be lying 3 with his provisional, meaning his score on the hole with a "par" would be 6, with 7 being quite possible if the provisional missed the fairway - and if he got a 7, while Keopka made a birdie, 3, then they'd be tied. If he hits his provisional with a 4-iron 230 in the fairway (extremely unlikely to miss the fairway with a 4-iron) and another 4-iron to the green (hole is 465), a 6 is quite doable and a 7 less likely than if he hit his provisional with driver and it went off the fairway. So the whole point would be minimizing the probability of making "bogey" (or 7) and I think that is less likely by playing a 4-iron (or even a 3-wood) off the tee than a driver. Driver only significantly helps make getting birdie more likely.
You might not think that’s the play but Rahm absolutely hit the driver for the provisional. He was great off the tee all day and he stripped his provisional right down the middle.
Yet his original drive was Phil Mickelson bad....got extremely lucky it was found and even luckier it bounced into play. It's all about adrenaline. He was pumped and over juiced it.
3 wood brings down his hype. I could care less whether he striped the provisional or not it was the wrong play. His caddy has to talk some sense into at the tee box
What makes you think his 3 wood would be straight? Why would a 3 wood bring down his hype? When you don’t have enough club, you swing harder. Rahm won. He didn’t just hit driver on 18th, he hit it twice. Can’t argue with results.
Sure he was great off the tee all day, but up 4 with one to go, actually, the bigger mistake was hitting driver off the tee with his first shot. Why bring a Jean Van de Velde-like collapse into play? The only way he's going to make triple bogey on 18 (allowing BK to tie him with a birdie) is by hitting a wild drive - there's just no way that happens with a 4 or 5 iron (ok, maybe a 0.01% chance but close to 0). I know these guys are very confident in themselves, but I just think there are times to dial it back and make sure you don't eff it up.
He should just tee off with 7 iron LOL. That’s not how these guys think. Driver was an advantage for him. He is there to win, not playing not to lose.
That chute on 18 is made for Rahm's cut off the tee. Sure he didn't think twice about hitting driver, he stripes that club all day, everyday. That chute is an issue. It was designed for the tees to be forward and when they moved them way back, they left the chute where it was. Balls hit trees that would otherwise be in the fairway. Its unfair, terrible design and going to cost someone a Masters at some point. Surprised no commentators ever talk about it.
How can LIV keep going? They are losing close to $1 Billion a year and no signs the format is resonating with fans, broadcasters or sponsors, after two years. I think its over after this year. The Tour will let the guys come back since there is zero chance anyone tries to compete with the PGA Tour again.
Old guys dialing up the past is a real thing at the Masters. Nicklaus had a T6 in '98 at 59. They get rolling, the roars and adrenaline take over and for an afternoon, they're young again. Nice to see Phil's round.
Tiger shows up hoping he'll get another run of old guy magic but if you can't practice and prepare and you're in pain all day, making the cut is the victory. He doesn't seem to think there is any chance it gets much better from here so it looks like the end of the road for him as a contender to win. Champions Tour is going to get a big boost in the coming years.
Scar tissue is a big thing in golf. McIrlroy and Spieth are shot in Majors. Koepka won three like a force of nature and then blew the 2019 Masters. He won later that summer at the PGA but threw up all over himself with a big lead on Sunday, shooting 74 at Bethpage, barely holding on. Didn't show up on Sunday vs. Phil at the PGA in Kiawah. I put him in the scar tissue camp, now.
I love Rahm's short swing under pressure. Much easier to keep the rhythm
under major tournament pressure. Maybe he's a guy that can keep winning them.
How can LIV keep going? They are losing close to $1 Billion a year and no signs the format is resonating with fans, broadcasters or sponsors, after two years. I think its over after this year. The Tour will let the guys come back since there is zero chance anyone tries to compete with the PGA Tour again.
Old guys dialing up the past is a real thing at the Masters. Nicklaus had a T6 in '98 at 59. They get rolling, the roars and adrenaline take over and for an afternoon, they're young again. Nice to see Phil's round.
Tiger shows up hoping he'll get another run of old guy magic but if you can't practice and prepare and you're in pain all day, making the cut is the victory. He doesn't seem to think there is any chance it gets much better from here so it looks like the end of the road for him as a contender to win. Champions Tour is going to get a big boost in the coming years.
Scar tissue is a big thing in golf. McIrlroy and Spieth are shot in Majors. Koepka won three like a force of nature and then blew the 2019 Masters. He won later that summer at the PGA but threw up all over himself with a big lead on Sunday, shooting 74 at Bethpage, barely holding on. Didn't show up on Sunday vs. Phil at the PGA in Kiawah. I put him in the scar tissue camp, now.
I love Rahm's short swing under pressure. Much easier to keep the rhythm
under major tournament pressure. Maybe he's a guy that can keep winning them.
Huh? No it doesn't. To say they had a bad week when they had the most in the top 5 equalling the PGA and surpassing DP Tour with the least amount of entrees is a completely dumb statement.
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You are missing my point. The players had a great week. Phil shots a +14 in 3 rounds in LIV vs -8 at the Masters. Do you see the problem? If LIV wants eye balls, Phil needs to play like he did at the Masters every time out. It goes to my point it’s an exhibition and players treat it as such.
Or maybe Mickelson just knows Augusta much better than the LIV courses he has played. Same reason Tiger can still compete there.
Not going to argue with you anymore waste of time. No you dont my man I've spent 40+ yrs on the course playing & caddying. Good enough a caddy to loop around some nice courses. I've also been to Augusta 18 is not as intimidating as they make it appear on TV. The chute is not as narrow in person as it looks on TV.
he lost by 20+ strokes in some LIV events. Winners were posting mid teen under par in 3 rounds.
Phil after 3 yrs will be out of LIV they wont need him if they get better golfers. The only way he stays with LIV if he steps into Norman's role. I was shocked these dudes put 3 in top 4. Koepka not shocked with as long as he is healthy but Phil & Reed were over achievers
God. You'll make anything up to bash the LIV players. Again no sane, golf educated fan can say that they had a bad weekend. I do get your point. It's hilariously off the mark.
The problem with LIV is it almost doesn't matter how great their players are/play. I would rather watch the Masters with nobody from the top 10 in the world than watch the top 10 play at some course I never heard of. I'm watching the course as much as the individual players.
First you comment was about a player, Phil Mickelson. Second, the person beating the dead horse is you about the LIV. Every time it's brought up you can count the minutes until you post an off the wall spin to make it sound like the LIV is playing putt putt golf.
I'm not a fan of the LIV, but I feel that the way Phil played at the Masters and how most of the top spots went to LIV player will only draw more intreat from the casual golf fan and instead of tuning out the LIV tours being shown on CW they'll probably give it a look-see out of curiosity and if they like the type of game there will become fans or if it's not to their liking just look the PGA when it's on.
Pesonaly I wouldn't mind the LIV to fold up their tent, but I don't think that tours backers will cut the LIV off and admit defeat for awhile .
The Masters showing by LIV tour members might even have strengthened
the Saudi's resolve and convinced them to stick around because the chances of making a deal with the PGA might have improved by the way LIV players looked at the Masters.
Brooks collapse didn't help, but Phil's return from the dead brought the LIV the respect no one figured his play would
I agree with you. I haven't watched a second of the LIV. However, that wasn't my point. The players on the LIV played very well at the Masters. The point that they would lose their competitive edge playing golf on that tour was demonstrated to be false or that the LIV had a bad weekend.
The LIV guys would largely play the majors and sanctioned events and be close to meeting the criteria of tournaments played.
And again, the number of LIV guys who can move the needle for a small tournament isn’t that great.
I don’t think it lives the needle at all. People knew who Koepka and Mickelson and Reed were before the Masters. They aren’t going to suddenly start tuning into LIV matches over their Masters finishes.
People are putting way too much emphasis on the LIV results in the Masters in terms of where the league is going.
I don't put much stock in Phil "returning". Augusta is a place he's often played well. Since he joined LIV he's finished in the top half of the field 2 out of 10 tries. He's finished 35th or worse (out of 48) 5 times in 10 tries.
People forget despite winning the 2021 PGA how badly he played the other 22 times out, missing 9 cuts and no Top 20's.
My 1st comment about Phil was how great he played and it almost inspired me to lose some lbs. you liked the post.
Nice try. Stupid spin. FAIL. You know this is the post I quoted. You are a real clown. Can't admit you were wrong and full of hate. Seriously, were you just drunk on Easter thinking the LIV had a bad weekend? Didn't realize they had 3 in the top 5? Now you are bringing up a different post? Damn! You do realize that you can see all the past posts, right?
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LOL. I know you like to argue. I’ll leave you be. Thanks for quoting me to prove my point. I appreciate it.
I’ll make it easier for you because you clearly have a hard time understanding. Do you want to watch Phil shoot +10 in LIV or -8 in the Masters?
Prove your point?? You just failed at trying to say it was another post we were talking about. How embarrassing that you can't remember what sparked this dumb conversation by you!
That isn't the point you brought up. You said the LIV had a bad "weekend" lol. They had the best weekend of all 3 tours!
You don’t think that’s bad for LIV? Same player but terrible results on LIV. I don’t know what you are looking at.
You keep saying that's bad for the LIV! Read your stupid post! You said they had a bad "weekend" ! Your quote not mine and a stupid/drunk post by you! If you wanted to say what tour would you watch, what tour is more stable you should have said that. The fact is the LIV had a great weekend! And you are beating the dead horse trying to say they didn't. The same problem your trying to prove with zero results is happening on the PGA. You keep saying you want to drop this conversation, no problem just admit it was a completely stupid statement and move on!
Koepka won the week before on the LIV tour and then ties for 2nd. How is that bad? Plus Mickelson and Reed have had success at Augusta. It's as simple as some guys like some courses and hate others. No difference on either tour.