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ashokan

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No Tiki HOF nom this year


Announced players are:


  • Eric Allen, Cornerback — 1988-1994 Philadelphia Eagles, 1995-97 New Orleans Saints, 1998-2001 Oakland Raiders
  • Jared Allen, Defensive End — 2004-07 Kansas City Chiefs, 2008-2013 Minnesota Vikings, 2014-15 Chicago Bears, 2015 Carolina Panthers
  • Willie Anderson, Offensive Tackle — 1996-2007 Cincinnati Bengals, 2008 Baltimore Ravens
  • Jahri Evans, Guard — 2006-2016 New Orleans Saints, 2017 Green Bay Packers
  • Dwight Freeney, Defensive End/Outside Linebacker — 2002-2012 Indianapolis Colts, 2013-14 San Diego Chargers, 2015 Arizona Cardinals, 2016 Atlanta Falcons, 2017 Seattle Seahawks, 2017 Detroit Lions
  • Antonio Gates, Tight End — 2003-2018 San Diego/Los Angeles Chargers
  • Rodney Harrison, Safety — 1994-2002 San Diego Chargers, 2003-08 New England Patriots
  • Devin Hester, Punt Returner/Kick Returner/Wide Receiver — 2006-2013 Chicago Bears, 2014-15 Atlanta Falcons, 2016 Baltimore Ravens
  • Torry Holt, Wide Receiver — 1999-2008 St. Louis Rams, 2009 Jacksonville Jaguars
  • Andre Johnson, Wide Receiver — 2003-2014 Houston Texans, 2015 Indianapolis Colts, 2016 Tennessee Titans
  • Julius Peppers, Defensive End — 2002-09, 2017-18 Carolina Panthers, 2010-13 Chicago Bears, 2014-16 Green Bay Packers
  • Fred Taylor, Running back — 1998-2008 Jacksonville Jaguars, 2009-2010 New England Patriots
  • Reggie Wayne, Wide Receiver — 2001-2014 Indianapolis Colts
  • Patrick Willis, Linebacker — 2007-2014 San Francisco 49ers
  • Darren Woodson, Safety — 1992-2003 Dallas



 
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e5fdny

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How do both miss two PATs?

Didn’t watch so I don’t know what happened in either case.
 
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koleszar

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We have two types of players, stupid or oft injured. 4th and 1 and Hyatt runs a 1/2 yd. pattern.
 
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ClassOf02v.2

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That’s the most 2023 Giants way to lose a game. I won’t put the 2 pt conversion on Barkley, that was an awful throw from Taylor. But Saquon dropped an easy one in the final drive. He’d probably still be running.
 
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nutfromSEC117

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No Good Football GIF by New England Patriots
 
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ashokan

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I hope Sterling Shepard is finally done.
For every good play, he has a couple boners - "net negative" as Met crew like to say
Glad they lost anyway
 
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Extra Point_rivals157299

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ClassOf02 said:
That’s the most 2023 Giants way to lose a game. I won’t put the 2 pt conversion on Barkley, that was an awful throw from Taylor. But Saquon dropped an easy one in the final drive. He’d probably still be running.
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The 2 pt conversion was a miss fire by Tyrod. But KM most likely catches it.
 
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Kbee3

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mdk01 said:
Not that pass.

Sack total now at 80 for the season. Many will disagree, but the top draft target is OL.
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So true.
Alt from Notre Dame or Fashanu from Pedd St. should do.
 
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Postman_1

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If u look at Barkleys numbers today they were not very good. He had a few key drops as well. Wonder what they will do with him? I believe if they tag him again the price will go up. Don’t think he’s worth it anymore
 
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NickRU714

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Postman_1 said:
If u look at Barkleys numbers today they were not very good. He had a few key drops as well. Wonder what they will do with him? I believe if they tag him again the price will go up. Don’t think he’s worth it anymore
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2nd franchise tag is 120% of the 1st tag.

It would be about $12m guaranteed in 2024 for Barkley.
 
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RUhasarrived

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Hopefully,they're scheduled for a 1PM Sunday game.
The track shouldn't have to cancel its lucrative Saturday Night for a 5-11 team.
 
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RUInsanityToo

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mdk01 said:
Not that pass.

Sack total now at 80 for the season. Many will disagree, but the top draft target is OL.
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Read a recent article that made sense to me. Can't keep using high draft picks on OL without first fixing the main problem.....which has been the relative inability for coaches to develop the individual players into a cohesive unit.

We all saw first hand what a quality OL Coach did for RU this season. IMO the Giants need to overpay for a top notch OL coach...then go from there.
 
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e5fdny

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mdk01 said:
Not that pass.

Sack total now at 80 for the season. Many will disagree, but the top draft target is OL.
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ClassOf02 said:
Again…for what seems like the 10th year in a row.
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RUInsanity said:
Read a recent article that made sense to me. Can't keep using high draft picks on OL without first fixing the main problem.....which has been the relative inability for coaches to develop the individual players into a cohesive unit.

We all saw first hand what a quality OL Coach did for RU this season. IMO the Giants need to overpay for a top notch OL coach...then go from there.
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Remember “The Suburbanites” from the 86 team? No stars, but they played well together.
RUEd said:
If I’m not mistaken, no team has drafted more OL with high picks and spent as much money in free agency on the OL as the Giants over the last 10 years. Wtf
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Giants fans of a certain age should remember John Hicks from tOSU.
 
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willisneverrana43

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zappaa said:
Horrendous 2nd Down run call to Barkley with no timeouts.
I’ll take Monongai over Barkley all day.
Could have caught both passes
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So many mistakes. One more, and one that worried me the moment that it happened, was Taylor spiking the ball after his last run to the 34, thereby giving the Giants only 2 downs instead of three to get closer to the goal posts.

When Taylor slid there were over 50 seconds on the clock and there were even 42 seconds left after he spiked the ball. Enough time for three plays, or at least to try. In fact, it was the Rams who stopped the clock with a timeout immediately after the Giants two yard loss on first down. There was no reason to spike it and surrender a down—unless they were unprepared, which is a whole other problem.

So many mistakes.
 
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Zak57

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ashokan said:
Giants with only two Pro Bowl players - Lawrence and Saquon.
I thought Bobby Okereke would make alternate at least


I also dont get how Saquon is NFC starter with 917 yds and 4 TDs and McCaffrey is only an alternate with 1,495 yds and 14 td (and double Saquon's receiving stats).

Fan voting I imagine



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McCaffrey, Swift,and Williams are the NFC PB RBs. Barkley didn't make it except as alternate. McCaffrey is the starter.

 
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Postman_1

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ashokan said:
Giants with only two Pro Bowl players - Lawrence and Saquon.
I thought Bobby Okereke would make alternate at least


I also dont get how Saquon is NFC starter with 917 yds and 4 TDs and McCaffrey is only an alternate with 1,495 yds and 14 td (and double Saquon's receiving stats).

Fan voting I imagine



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The Pro Bowl has become a joke anymore. It’s more of a popularity contest with fans.
 
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willisneverrana43

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ashokan said:
No Tiki HOF nom this year


Announced players are:


  • Eric Allen, Cornerback — 1988-1994 Philadelphia Eagles, 1995-97 New Orleans Saints, 1998-2001 Oakland Raiders

  • Jared Allen, Defensive End — 2004-07 Kansas City Chiefs, 2008-2013 Minnesota Vikings, 2014-15 Chicago Bears, 2015 Carolina Panthers

  • Willie Anderson, Offensive Tackle — 1996-2007 Cincinnati Bengals, 2008 Baltimore Ravens

  • Jahri Evans, Guard — 2006-2016 New Orleans Saints, 2017 Green Bay Packers

  • Dwight Freeney, Defensive End/Outside Linebacker — 2002-2012 Indianapolis Colts, 2013-14 San Diego Chargers, 2015 Arizona Cardinals, 2016 Atlanta Falcons, 2017 Seattle Seahawks, 2017 Detroit Lions

  • Antonio Gates, Tight End — 2003-2018 San Diego/Los Angeles Chargers

  • Rodney Harrison, Safety — 1994-2002 San Diego Chargers, 2003-08 New England Patriots

  • Devin Hester, Punt Returner/Kick Returner/Wide Receiver — 2006-2013 Chicago Bears, 2014-15 Atlanta Falcons, 2016 Baltimore Ravens

  • Torry Holt, Wide Receiver — 1999-2008 St. Louis Rams, 2009 Jacksonville Jaguars

  • Andre Johnson, Wide Receiver — 2003-2014 Houston Texans, 2015 Indianapolis Colts, 2016 Tennessee Titans

  • Julius Peppers, Defensive End — 2002-09, 2017-18 Carolina Panthers, 2010-13 Chicago Bears, 2014-16 Green Bay Packers

  • Fred Taylor, Running back — 1998-2008 Jacksonville Jaguars, 2009-2010 New England Patriots

  • Reggie Wayne, Wide Receiver — 2001-2014 Indianapolis Colts

  • Patrick Willis, Linebacker — 2007-2014 San Francisco 49ers

  • Darren Woodson, Safety — 1992-2003 Dallas



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Tiki retired too early. His last 5 years were tremendous. One more year of that and he would have been a shoo-in for the Hall. Now he's out. Tiki had dreams of the post-playing career that Michael Strahan later got, so he retired and almost immediately f***ed it up. And now most Giant fans can't even stand him, and he doesn't get the Hall. If Tiki ever gives you career advice, don't take it.
 
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NickRU714

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Aug 18, 2009
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RUInsanity said:
Read a recent article that made sense to me. Can't keep using high draft picks on OL without first fixing the main problem.....which has been the relative inability for coaches to develop the individual players into a cohesive unit.

We all saw first hand what a quality OL Coach did for RU this season. IMO the Giants need to overpay for a top notch OL coach...then go from there.
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Just ask all the "have to draft OL before a QB" a simple followup:

Ok. What OL are you drafting at #5?
LT: Not replacing Thomas
RT: Replace Neal already after 2 years? OK sure. But you are again drafting a LT to play RT with a high pick.
C: Replace 2023 2nd round pick JMS already? With a Top 5 pick now?

It's easy to say "OL only" without any actual recommendations.

Is there a potential franchise G available like Nelson was?
 
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Doctor Worm

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Feb 7, 2002
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willisneverrana43 said:
Tiki retired too early. His last 5 years were tremendous. One more year of that and he would have been a shoo-in for the Hall. Now he's out. Tiki had dreams of the post-playing career that Michael Strahan later got, so he retired and almost immediately f***ed it up. And now most Giant fans can't even stand him, and he doesn't get the Hall. If Tiki ever gives you career advice, don't take it.
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I will never criticize any athlete, much less a football player, for retiring too early. Regardless of the reason.
 
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mdk02

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Aug 18, 2011
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NickRU714 said:
Just ask all the "have to draft OL before a QB" a simple followup:

Ok. What OL are you drafting at #5?
LT: Not replacing Thomas
RT: Replace Neal already after 2 years? OK sure. But you are again drafting a LT to play RT with a high pick.
C: Replace 2023 2nd round pick JMS already? With a Top 5 pick now?

It's easy to say "OL only" without any actual recommendations.

Is there a potential franchise G available like Nelson was?
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At #5 JC Latham the starting ORT from Alabama. Generally considered a Top 10-15 pick in the draft. Move Neal inside. In the 2nd or third there are OTs at the college level that are expected to move inside. Graham Barton of Duke and Cooper Beebe from Kanas St. And I believe Donovan Jackson from Ohio St. played OG.
 
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