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Another game where I'm so glad to not check the thread until the end of the match. A tale of two halves. Great second-half rebound for Team USA. Lindsey Horan just etched her name into US history, alongside the Dempsey mugshot*.



And sure as ****, Mildone comes into the thread, picks oddball fights, and disrespects the greatest USA soccer player ever, also a RU grad. Another dreary Mildone moment.

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Netherlands had only one semi dangerous entry the entire 2nd half by my count, they never had the ball.
We completely controlled the entire 45 minutes of play.

Moving forward I am concerned about our Defense down low…to those in the know, is that a legitimate concern?
 

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And sure as ****, Mildone comes into the thread, picks oddball fights, and disrespects the greatest USA soccer player ever, also a RU grad. Another dreary Mildone moment.
So, Elon and Carli. Any other objects of worship of yours I can criticize (how disrespectful 🤣) and trigger more hilarious personal attacks from you?
 

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Netherlands had only one semi dangerous entry the entire 2nd half by my count, they never had the ball.
We completely controlled the entire 45 minutes of play.

Moving forward I am concerned about our Defense down low…to those in the know, is that a legitimate concern?
IMO, the midfield was the biggest problem in the first half, totally disorganized. Which put too much pressure on the US backs.

The goal the US gave up started with a US center midfielder diving in late and getting beat while other US mids were too far upfield. That allowed the Dutch first attacker to dribble-penetrate, unmarked, up the middle of the field. Which in turn pulled the backs out of shape initially (someone had to stop the dribble penetration and second defenders had to pull in closer).

The US defenders were able to delay that initial attack momentarily, but due to the lateness of the mids recovering back to help, and the speed of Dutch getting numbers up into the attack, the US never regained good defensive shape, failed to provide weak side balance, and the Dutch took advantage of that, further unbalancing the US defense.

Then it was just a mad scramble in which the ball eventually found one of several poorly marked Dutch players who made a good shot. I'd lay responsibility for that goal on the US midfield much more so than the backs.
 
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IMO, the midfield was the biggest problem in the first half, totally disorganized. Which put too much pressure on the US backs.

The goal the US gave up started with a US center midfielder diving in late and getting beat while other US mids were too far upfield. That allowed the Dutch first attacker to dribble-penetrate, unmarked, up the middle of the field. Which in turn pulled the backs out of shape initially (someone had to stop the dribble penetration and second defenders had to pull in closer).

The US defenders were able to delay that initial attack momentarily, but due to the lateness of the mids recovering back to help, and the speed of Dutch getting numbers up into the attack, the US never regained good defensive shape, failed to provide weak side balance, and the Dutch took advantage of that, further unbalancing the US defense.

Then it was just a mad scramble in which the ball eventually found one of several poorly marked Dutch players who made a good shot. I'd lay responsibility for that goal on the US midfield much more so than the backs.
the first half was worse than the 2nd, but the whole game, our midfield was playing extremely narrow, which allowed the dutch to switch fields and use the width of their midfield 5. difference was, we were able to thwart the dutch ability to switch from side to side as easily as they did in the first. Rose coming in helped for sure, but Horan was awful in her positioning when out of possession.
 

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Not sure if that's Rodman or not, but Rodman certainly hasn't brought anything to the party.
I think #19 is Crystal Dunn, a defender while Trinity Rodman is #20, a forward.

While nobody played very well for the US in the first half, I thought Rodman moved well off the ball in the final 35 minutes of play, creating great supporting angles and distances for the first attacker, and was part of several good scoring chances.

Discounting the horrific first half, I was impressed by her - seemed very talented to me.

Seems she's Dennis Rodman's daughter, which I did not know. By all accounts, that can't be the easiest thing ever.
 

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I think #19 is Crystal Dunn, a defender while Trinity Rodman is #20, a forward.

While nobody played very well for the US in the first half, I thought Rodman moved well off the ball in the final 35 minutes of play, creating great supporting angles and distances for the first attacker, and was part of several good scoring chances.

Discounting the horrific first half, I was impressed by her - seemed very talented to me.

Seems she's Dennis Rodman's daughter, which I did not know. By all accounts, that can't be the easiest thing ever.
Believe you're right re: the numbers. Watched both US games & felt that she just didn't play that well--sloppy, inaccurate passes, loss of one v one battles etc. She very well may have moved well off the ball in the 2nd Half. Must say I didn't really notice.
 

RUevolution36

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Believe you're right re: the numbers. Watched both US games & felt that she just didn't play that well--sloppy, inaccurate passes, loss of one v one battles etc. She very well may have moved well off the ball in the 2nd Half. Must say I didn't really notice.
she was involved in many of those runs in behind the dutch defensive line. i'd like to see a lot more out of her, considering the amount of hype she's been getting coming into the world cup. Smith has been the better winger, but even she has moments of very good play commingled with periods where she seems like a spectator.
 

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the first half was worse than the 2nd, but the whole game, our midfield was playing extremely narrow, which allowed the dutch to switch fields and use the width of their midfield 5. difference was, we were able to thwart the dutch ability to switch from side to side as easily as they did in the first. Rose coming in helped for sure, but Horan was awful in her positioning when out of possession.
Yup, the US frequently lacked midfield width when attacking.

Defensively, though, I have no problem with the midfield being compact. Generally speaking, most of the team should be compact on defense, they should generally gravitate towards being more along the path from the ball to the goal, more towards the middle of the field than the edges. There are contexts that call for variations on that, but that's the general rule.

The problem was with whomever was supposed to be providing defensive balance on the weak side for the US (i.e. the third defender). Whoever that might be varies throughout the game, but multiple times with multiple players, the US was getting it very wrong, arriving late, diving in and getting beat off the dribble.

Good third defender play requires the third defender to position themselves at the proper distance and angle with respect to both the ball and the weak side attackers such that they can arrive at a crossed ball's destination at roughly the same time the ball arrives. And then need to establish themselves as the new first defender with poise and balance.

At that point, the new first defender's priority is to delay penetration and allow the rest of the team to rotate across the field while maintaining good shape. It requires good alertness and anticipation skills and discipline.

The very first rule you teach to players about being a first defender is that they should NEVER dive in and they cannot allow themselves to get beat, even if it means stepping off a half yard. If you attempt to intercept the pass or close in to pressure the receiving player into a mistake, you must get either the ball or the player or leave time to step off.

That just didn't happen right for the US for much of the game. Thankfully, it wasn't really required in the final 35 minutes or so.

US has to correct the third defender play before the next game. It's a glaring weakness no coach at the international level will fail to have observed and will surely probe it in subsequent games.
 
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mildone_rivals

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I am with you on this. I get the Dutch are good but the game was played in slow motion. I turned it off.
I was so aggravated watching the first half. I stuck it out, after a brief distraction, though - and I'm glad I did because I got to see some better attacking play from the team.

Glad we tied it up. But definitely some technical stuff to fix for the next game, especially with defending.
 

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The USWNT looked big, slow, tired…they need to turnover that roster in favor of speed/skill instead of size. In the coming years Soccer will go through the same transition as hockey where speed/skill is far more valuable than size.
 

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I don't know if it's speed. I think it's attitude. In the past you had the core of Carli, Wambach, a not past her prime Rapinoe, Press, Heath, etc playing with extreme confidence and killer instinct. Now with this new generation I'm seeing more trepidation. Horan gave them an injection of that old-school attitude in the second half against the Netherlands and we were off. It must carry over if we're going to go far, otherwise an early exit wouldn't surprise me. We have no room for error going into the Portugal game.

BTW, who's going to be up with me at 3am Tuesday morning?
 
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The USWNT looked big, slow, tired…they need to turnover that roster in favor of speed/skill instead of size. In the coming years Soccer will go through the same transition as hockey where speed/skill is far more valuable than size.
we have plenty of speed. it's just not being utilized correctly.
 

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I think the biggest deficit I saw in that game, to the Dutch, was that our players were struggling with their first touch for much of the game. The Dutch players appeared more technically proficient.

I say "appeared" because I'm not used to seeing the USWNT not have excellent individual technical skills - so I'm thinking it's likely this was a one-off thing more than a true weakness.

Despite it being an entirely vapid comment, Carli wasn't wrong at the half when she said the US energy sucked in that first half. It's vapid because "duh". But the first touch issues were way worse in that first half than in the second half where the team started slow but soon developed a lot more team energy.

Once the team kind of woke up, their first-touch and speed and everything else looked better.
 
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I don't know if it's speed. I think it's attitude. In the past you had the core of Carli, Wambach, a not past her prime Rapinoe, Press, Heath, etc playing with extreme confidence and killer instinct. Now with this new generation I'm seeing more trepidation. Horan gave them an injection of that old-school attitude in the second half against the Netherlands and we were off. It must carry over if we're going to go far, otherwise an early exit wouldn't surprise me. We have no room for error going into the Portugal game.

BTW, who's going to be up with me at 3am Tuesday morning?

I tend to agree with you on this. The US simply lacked intensity in the first half That's partly explained by tactics - a poor US formation allowed them to be overwhelmed in the midfield combined with NETHERLANDS' good passing. I epxect the women to play with great emotion in the third group-stage match.
 
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RU848789

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I don't know if it's speed. I think it's attitude. In the past you had the core of Carli, Wambach, a not past her prime Rapinoe, Press, Heath, etc playing with extreme confidence and killer instinct. Now with this new generation I'm seeing more trepidation. Horan gave them an injection of that old-school attitude in the second half against the Netherlands and we were off. It must carry over if we're going to go far, otherwise an early exit wouldn't surprise me. We have no room for error going into the Portugal game.

BTW, who's going to be up with me at 3am Tuesday morning?
Agreed - the rest of the world is catching up and we can't coast to a WC, meaning it's critical that we play with more focus and intensity if we want to win another one. I'll be up on Tuesday (likely just staying up late)...
 

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I think the biggest deficit I saw in that game, to the Dutch, was that our players were struggling with their first touch for much of the game. The Dutch players appeared more technically proficient.

I say "appeared" because I'm not used to seeing the USWNT not have excellent individual technical skills - so I'm thinking it's likely this was a one-off thing more than a true weakness.

Despite it being an entirely vapid comment, Carli wasn't wrong at the half when she said the US energy sucked in that first half. It's vapid because "duh". But the first touch issues were way worse in that first half than in the second half where the team started slow but soon developed a lot more team energy.

Once the team kind of woke up, their first-touch and speed and everything else looked better.
The first thing I said to my buddy was that every first touch was poor. Every pass was accepted poorly. I'm glad someone else saw it and validated my analysis.
 

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The first thing I said to my buddy was that every first touch was poor. Every pass was accepted poorly. I'm glad someone else saw it and validated my analysis.
Complete exaggeration. Were there times where we played poorly? Sure. But before they scored their goal we looked very good and after we scored we completely dominated. Now I agree we looked bad those minutes in between but we are also missing (probably) our best offensive (Swanson) and defensive players (Sauerbrunn) which is forcing Ertz to play CB. We are also missing Mewis and Lavelle is just coming back from injury. Maybe this is just too much to ask the team to win another WC but to just say the whole game was dominated by the Dutch is just not true.
 

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Complete exaggeration. Were there times where we played poorly? Sure. But before they scored their goal we looked very good and after we scored we completely dominated. Now I agree we looked bad those minutes in between but we are also missing (probably) our best offensive (Swanson) and defensive players (Sauerbrunn) which is forcing Ertz to play CB. We are also missing Mewis and Lavelle is just coming back from injury. Maybe this is just too much to ask the team to win another WC but to just say the whole game was dominated by the Dutch is just not true.
Agreed. 11-1 in corner kicks and 18-5 in shots in our favor. Yes, we played badly, at times (especially much of the first half and vs. expectations), but we were not "dominated" overall.
 

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Complete exaggeration. Were there times where we played poorly? Sure. But before they scored their goal we looked very good and after we scored we completely dominated. Now I agree we looked bad those minutes in between but we are also missing (probably) our best offensive (Swanson) and defensive players (Sauerbrunn) which is forcing Ertz to play CB. We are also missing Mewis and Lavelle is just coming back from injury. Maybe this is just too much to ask the team to win another WC but to just say the whole game was dominated by the Dutch is just not true.
Did you mean to respond to me? I never said the Dutch dominated the whole game. I said our first touches were awful.
 
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Canada doesn't even make it out of the group stage. Can't assume any result. US had better be ready to go tonight/tomorrow morning.
 

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Netherlands had only one semi dangerous entry the entire 2nd half by my count, they never had the ball.
We completely controlled the entire 45 minutes of play.

Moving forward I am concerned about our Defense down low…to those in the know, is that a legitimate concern?
No. Our D is fine. Goalie is shaky but D is fine. We will go as far as our midfield
 

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US-Portugal scoreless at the half while the Netherlands are thrashing Vietnam. Awful half for the US. Very unorganized and getting outplayed. I’ve got a bad feeling about this.
 

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Looking better in the 2nd half, but not making good final third passes or finishing well when we've had opportunities.
 

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Looking better in the 2nd half, but not making good final third passes or finishing well when we've had opportunities.
Rapinoe was our only sub (for some reason) and she's done very little since coming on about 20 minutes ago and our play has again become disorganized and mistake prone. We're in some danger of losing this game and getting out of the group.
 

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I think there’s going to be a last minute goal, just because Portugal needs to go for it. I just don’t know which team will score. Andonovski’s job has to be in jeopardy after this showing unless we miraculously flip a switch and advance deep into the tournament.
 

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I think there’s going to be a last minute goal, just because Portugal needs to go for it. I just don’t know which team will score. Andonovski’s job has to be in jeopardy after this showing unless we miraculously flip a switch and advance deep into the tournament.
Portugal hits a post and then Naeher badly misplays a long shot into the box off of a foul and it luckily just rolls past the end line. We're hanging on here. This is not where this team should be.
 
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We'll be lucky to beat Sweden, assuming we play them next, unless something changes for this team in a big way. Can't let Sweden get set pieces/corners, given how deadly they are in the air.
 
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