OT: Another Minor/Moderate,Snow Event on Friday (1/19); Still Some Uncertainty

RU848789

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Why are you "concerned" that people will get less snow? Doesn't less snow mean less work and less accidents?
Stop with the moralizing. I like snow, some hate it. What we wish for has no impact on what snow we get. Plenty of people rely on snow for income, so it's not all a negative for society to get snow, plus it's fun for many of us.
 

RU848789

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Mt Holly is going to be bent over a barrel after this one. Whole state is shutting down over a 1-3, mostly 1-2 event.
Yes, they will; their updated discussion, which is good, should have come 24 hours ago at least and I still think their reduced forecast is too high and that having any advisories north of 78 is questionable. I'm guessing the 3" line will be pretty close to where Lee Goldberg had it last night, from about Lambertville to Perth Amboy, which would have meant advisories (which are for 3" or more in 12 hours) only for Mercer/Middlesex (and even there only south of the Raritan) and points south. Oh well.
 
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Stop with the moralizing. I like snow, some hate it. What we wish for has no impact on what snow we get. Plenty of people rely on snow for income, so it's not all a negative for society to get snow, plus it's fun for many of us.
So you don't explain why but just post this nonsense. Stop being a grouchy prick and be happy it's snowing.
 
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A rare SJ dominated storm. I'm in Salem Co., right on the border with Gloucester Co. Left for work at 7 with half and inch. 90 min later we're up to a full inch. Coming down consistent but not hard. I hope I did not make a mistake driving to the office today
 

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Yes, they will; their updated discussion, which is good, should have come 24 hours ago at least and I still think their reduced forecast is too high and that having any advisories north of 78 is questionable. I'm guessing the 3" line will be pretty close to where Lee Goldberg had it last night, from about Lambertville to Perth Amboy, which would have meant advisories (which are for 3" or more in 12 hours) only for Mercer/Middlesex (and even there only south of the Raritan) and points south. Oh well.
So are you thinking Mercer is going to be 3+?
 

RU848789

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Light snow started here a few minutes ago. Radar indicating we might get some accumulating snow soon, unless the snow shield keeps drying up as it nears this area (we still have only 65% humidity and a 20F dewpoint, reflecting dry air still in place).

 

RU848789

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Actually been pretty spot on kid
Since late yesterday. Earlier you were taking the unusual position that we should trust the high NWS numbers when I was saying I was very skeptical of the 3-6" amounts being forecast for most of CNJ given the much lower amounts in nearly all of the models. Was a strange switch from the usual case...
 

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Its embarrassing

In the 80s and 90s it would be all systems go with an event like this

My daughter teaches here and they are one of the few schools in the area open today, although they do have an early dismissal. SHe said all the parents are furious but we are only supposed to get an inch or so.
 

RU848789

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Interesting tweet from Tomer Burg. I can definitely see 78 being the 1" line, as he's basically saying, and not the 3" line which the NWS has.

 

RU848789

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Also, the Channel 7 crew dropped their 3" line even further south, from about Titusville in NW Mercer to Long Branch.

Light snow steadily coming down now at 29F with a dusting on the ground. We remain on the northern fringe of the accumulating snow right now.
 
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bac2therac

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Since late yesterday. Earlier you were taking the unusual position that we should trust the high NWS numbers when I was saying I was very skeptical of the 3-6" amounts being forecast for most of CNJ given the much lower amounts in nearly all of the models. Was a strange switch from the usual case...

Wow..i said they have access to **** we dont...i never said i believed their ********

You are ******* amazing..are you taking a victory lap and saying I was wrong and you got it right. I have receipts of what I actually said

I called 1-4 and its going to be a minor event as its always been modelled. There will be high spots with the possibility of that trough
 
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Also, the Channel 7 crew dropped their 3" line even further south, from about Titusville in NW Mercer to Long Branch.

Light snow steadily coming down now at 29F with a dusting on the ground. We remain on the northern fringe of the accumulating snow right now.
Numbers you still calling for 3.3 in metuchen ?
 

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Couple of flurries in No. Plfd. Stopped and it looks like the sun wants to come out.
 

RU848789

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Wow..i said they have access to **** we dont...i never said i believed their ********

You are ****ing amazing..are you taking a victory lap and saying I was wrong and you got it right. I have receipts of what I actually said

I called 1-4 and its going to be a minor event as its always been modelled. There will be high spots with the possibility of that trough
I was expressing significant skepticism in the high amounts given the model outputs all being well less than 3-6" and you were chiding me for "hugging the models" as per what you said yesterday, quoted below, and saying we should respect the mets here. If me saying the NWS was too high and you defending them isn't a reversal of our usual positions, I don't know what is. It's not a big deal and I'm claiming no "victory" as that would've been me absolutely saying the NWS was wrong, which I did not do (not qualified to do that, but am qualified to question them). Also, any "call" for 1-4" is a bit silly - that allows almost anything to verify.

"so its the modelling vs the mets...and thats why I point out when the models spit out ridiculous amounts and the mets do not bite on them, same situation here. Models have lighter amounts but the mets not biting. Models are not everything. You cannot just hug clown maps. Mets know more than EVERYONE here and they use their professionalism and skill and hone in on how to inform the public. They will usually err on the side of caution here so the higher amounts given the chance for higher ratios which do surprise sometimes and the set up of the norlun trough. "
 

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Why would the NWS in Mt. Holly ignore the prior model runs calling for less snow in Central and North Jersey? They appear to have blown this and caused all of these school closings, early dismissals, and sports cancellations for maybe 1" or 2" in the Somerset, Morris, Hunterdon, Middlesex area? Wild... Seems Hillsborough was the only smart district that stayed open and didn't call an early dismissal. What a nightmare for rescheduling and using up snow days.
 

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I was expressing significant skepticism in the high amounts given the model outputs all being well less than 3-6" and you were chiding me for "hugging the models" as per what you said yesterday, quoted below, and saying we should respect the mets here. If me saying the NWS was too high and you defending them isn't a reversal of our usual positions, I don't know what is. It's not a big deal and I'm claiming no "victory" as that would've been me absolutely saying the NWS was wrong, which I did not do (not qualified to do that, but am qualified to question them). Also, any "call" for 1-4" is a bit silly - that allows almost anything to verify.

"so its the modelling vs the mets...and thats why I point out when the models spit out ridiculous amounts and the mets do not bite on them, same situation here. Models have lighter amounts but the mets not biting. Models are not everything. You cannot just hug clown maps. Mets know more than EVERYONE here and they use their professionalism and skill and hone in on how to inform the public. They will usually err on the side of caution here so the higher amounts given the chance for higher ratios which do surprise sometimes and the set up of the norlun trough. "

Lol at your hubris

I stand by everything you just copied and pasted

Mt holly will bust as they always do as they did with the high amounts the other day. Its how they roll

Im telling you why they did so not that I agree with it

The calling for 1-4 covers the whole state pretty much. What is wrong with you. I dont need to do a town by town forecast. Silly..oh thats interesting since every "forecast" you make covers anything from 1 inch to 2 feet

Remember you claim you are better educated on snowstorms than mets
 
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Lol at your hubris

Mt holly will bust as they always do as they did with the high amounts the other day. Its how they roll

Im telling you why they did so not that I agree with it
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Numbers is the one that always pushes Mt Holly's ridiculous forecasts. Those morons caused all these unnecessary closings.
 

RU848789

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Why would the NWS in Mt. Holly ignore the prior model runs calling for less snow in Central and North Jersey? They appear to have blown this and caused all of these school closings, early dismissals, and sports cancellations for maybe 1" or 2" in the Somerset, Morris, Hunterdon, Middlesex area? Wild... Seems Hillsborough was the only smart district that stayed open and didn't call an early dismissal. What a nightmare for rescheduling and using up snow days.
I really don't know and have been asking that question since Wednesday afternoon, when I said I was "astounded" at how high the forecasts were from NWS-Philly. I even IM-ed the NWS forecaster who wrote the discussion yesterday, just to ask what his rationale was (we've communicated on the weather boards over the years and he's usually very good), but no answer yet.
 

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Why would the NWS in Mt. Holly ignore the prior model runs calling for less snow in Central and North Jersey? They appear to have blown this and caused all of these school closings, early dismissals, and sports cancellations for maybe 1" or 2" in the Somerset, Morris, Hunterdon, Middlesex area? Wild... Seems Hillsborough was the only smart district that stayed open and didn't call an early dismissal. What a nightmare for rescheduling and using up snow days.

Because they err on side of caution. As i explained before the possibility of a norlun trough setting up enchancing amounts made them nervous. Norlun troughs are hard to pinpoint if they even happen.

As i explained before the idea of widespread 3-6 had to be treated with skepticism

There was a philly storm a decade ago they got caught off guard and 1-2 turned into 6-8. Ever since they are scared to bust

We live in different times than 80s and 90s. We close for any snow now vs the old times.

There have been so many busts over time that everyone just moves on and forgets about them.

Met and my holly most certainly deserve to be taken to task if this storm underperforms. Its still early so we shall see