OT: Applications for Rutgers NB have increased almost 40% for Fall 2024

SKnight00

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Seems like an easy way to make some extra money on fees no? Basically seems like it's much easier to apply for anyone vs a few years ago.
Yes and no. When apps go up that much schools need to hire a LOT more seasonal application readers, as well as operation staff, to complete the work in the same amount of time.
 

Jtung230

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The interesting thing is will they accept more to account for lower conversion rate. By the numbers, if they don’t accept more, the rate should be around 40%.
 
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The acceptance rate should be close to 40% instead of the 66-68% currently published, which makes sense in comparison to other schools. I’m sure these schools are already on common app.

35 Univ of Illinois. 45%
35 Univ of Wisconsin 49%
40 Univ of Washington 48%
46 Univ of Maryland 44%
43 Ohio State 53%

Considering we're already 40 I wonder if this change could help us leapfrog Wisky and Illinois
 

Jtung230

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Considering we're already 40 I wonder if this change could help us leapfrog Wisky and Illinois
We were at 66% before. I think we decrease to 45% to factor in lower conversion rate. In state acceptance will be the same but out of state will be much harder.
 
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e5fdny

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I think we leapfrog Boston College at 39 and hope to have the same ratings as Wisky and Illinois at 35. NYU is also rated 35. More OOS students will respect Rutgers more with the higher ratings.
Personally I’d rather be better (or perceived better) against our actual peers than the privates.

That’s my measuring stick.
 

bigmatt718

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I think we leapfrog Boston College at 39 and hope to have the same ratings as Wisky and Illinois at 35. NYU is also rated 35. More OOS students will respect Rutgers more with the higher ratings.
That'd put us in striking distance of the Top 10 nationally among public universities. We would need to jump Georgia Tech who is 33rd nationally overall to crack the Top 10 amongst public universities.
 
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bigmatt718

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Personally I’d rather be better (or perceived better) against our actual peers than the privates.

That’s my measuring stick.
Agreed. I don't care about beating the privates although it is still a bragging right in Jersey/the Northeast to be ahead of schools like BC and NYU. Apples to oranges. Our real academic competition are the publics like Illinois, Wisconsin, Georgia Tech, UC-Irvine, Purdue, OSU, Washington, etc.
 
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Fat Koko

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Please note Courtney in admissions still has not clarified how the 40% increase is calculated. He tweeted that figure, was asked for the data behind it, yet has not provided it.
 
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bitnez

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FWIW - Anyone who applied EA should hear between 1/26 and 1/31. I believe RU plans to roll out the results.
 

RUschool

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That'd put us in striking distance of the Top 10 nationally among public universities. We would need to jump Georgia Tech who is 33rd nationally overall to crack the Top 10 amongst public universities.
Let’s first take in and enjoy the huge jump to number 40 nationally and number 15 public universities before we move up the ladder. You know the students, both in state and outside, will give Rutgers more consideration in their decision.
 

Jtung230

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Please note Courtney in admissions still has not clarified how the 40% increase is calculated. He tweeted that figure, was asked for the data behind it, yet has not provided it.
Calculated by the actual number of applications. The actual number is up 66% to 68,500.
 
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bitnez

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Not sure what you mean by conversion rate. Yield is the percentage of students who got accepted and actually attend. Schools want that to be high so it gives them greater certainty as to their acceptance matrix and indicates that the schools are a desired location. There’s no benefit to RU having a kid accepted and then the kid chooses not to attend.

FWIW my daughter was accepted yesterday but we’re waiting on the honors admission, which gets released in March. Congrats to everyone else.
 

Jtung230

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Not sure what you mean by conversion rate. Yield is the percentage of students who got accepted and actually attend. Schools want that to be high so it gives them greater certainty as to their acceptance matrix and indicates that the schools are a desired location. There’s no benefit to RU having a kid accepted and then the kid chooses not to attend.

FWIW my daughter was accepted yesterday but we’re waiting on the honors admission, which gets released in March. Congrats to everyone else.
That’s what I was referring to but didn’t know the official term. That’s the problem on common application. More applications but a lower yield. Good luck on honors. Hope she is not 501.
 
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dan15701

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Don't forget CoVid and mask-wearing and vacine mandates may have negatively affected applications recently. Could even have a whole bunch of people taking gap years because of the nonsense. Like, after CoVid, banquet halls were booked at ridiculous levels.. so many weddings put off... etc.
Except that didn’t happen. They actually went up after Covid. I love how people love to make crap up that fits their political agenda.

Year Applications Year-over-year change

2021 43,161 4.6%
2020 41,263 -0.1%


Source: Integrated Postsecondary Education Data System
 
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knightru

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A couple of my kid’s friends got wait listed yesterday and their stats were pretty good. They prob would have been regular admits last year.
 
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Eagleton95.99

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Courtney from Rutgers admissions needs to get his act together with the figures he publishes. US colleges have a dreadful track record reporting admissions data accurately. The 40% number is impossible yet it is already appearing in headlines.

A question I have for TKR readers is why does Rutgers have such a tiny percentage of out-of-state students?

Percent of first-year undergraduates - out-of-state, fall 2021

Rutgers 6%
Illinois 15%
Northwestern 37%*
Indiana 42%
Iowa 39%
Maryland 29%
Michigan 45%*
Michigan State 18%
Minnesota 27%
Nebraska 24%
Ohio State 23%
Penn State not available
Wisconsin 45%
Purdue 45%

Source: Integrated Postgraduate Education Data Center
*2020 data, 2021 not available

Edited to correct Courtney's gender
Halloway said it was largely do the common application. Other factors surely contributed including national trends. So the number is not "impossible". You are ridiculous as usual.

For decades NJ has been known in higher ed as the Cuckoo State for the large number of students that go out of state. A lot of that has to do with the late start NJ got in terms of having a flagship state school and a lot has to do with NJ's reputation as a State for out of staters, and the conditions in New Brunswick. A lot of that is changing.
 

Eagleton95.99

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That’s what I was referring to but didn’t know the official term. That’s the problem on common application. More applications but a lower yield. Good luck on honors. Hope she is not 501.
It's a balancing and guessing game for the admissions office. They have a target for new enrollment they want to hit. Accept too many, and they will go over the target straining the schools resources. Admit too few and they don't hit the target.

The target is probably something slightly higher than last year, but nothing dramatic.

So with a much larger pool, many of whom are unlikely to accept if offered...
 

Jtung230

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It's a balancing and guessing game for the admissions office. They have a target for new enrollment they want to hit. Accept too many, and they will go over the target straining the schools resources. Admit too few and they don't hit the target.

The target is probably something slightly higher than last year, but nothing dramatic.

So with a much larger pool, many of whom are unlikely to accept if offered...
They said they accepted 1500 to yield 500ish last year. Out of my kid’s friend group, maybe 1 out of the 4 will attend. The one is down to Princeton (if she gets in) or RU.
 

bitnez

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This year could represent a seismic shift for RU. My daughter knows several kids who expected to get into RU who were rejected or waitlisted yesterday. Go to any HS parental seminar the past few years (as I already went through this with an older child) and a consistent theme is every kid should be applying to RU because it’s a great option, i.e., “safety”. If these numbers hold going into next year, which they should, RU will shift from a safety to a “target” for better students and a “reach” for others.

It would be great if RU could build its profile to the point that it could have the type of policies/laws in place like NC or Michigan that mandate a certain percentage must come from in this state. These policies protect the in-state kids and drive up the desirability of out of state kids.
 
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Interesting anecdote. I live in western PA. I have my 7 year old in baseball lessons and I was talking to the guys who just finished college who are performing the instruction. I told them I went to Rutgers and they were like oh man you were lucky. I’d love to have gone there. Def felt good hearing that. Also carries a lot of weight at my company which is a Texas based company.

What I find funny are trendy schools. Clemson is one of those from friends and family who have had people apply there. I never even heard of Clemson when I was in HS in the 90s.
 
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Eagleton95.99

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Top 2 schools in NJ.
True. Staying in NJ isn't usually a top priority for kids. Usually if a kid thinks they have a shot at Princeton then the next tier down would be other Ivy's and and the next tier of elite schools.

Not that I'd complain if my kids wanted to stay local and prioritized staying in Jersey.