OT: Applications for Rutgers NB have increased almost 40% for Fall 2024

[vkj91]

Yeah my parents explained how money works to me. I can understand how a parent who brags about sending his NJ kid to Clemson isn't an intellectual fit for that conversation.

And RU wins every fake quality you mentioned.

The only area where Clemson can beat RU for a NJ parent is where a parent needs to show he has money to feel important, but whose kid can't get into a prestigious out of state school. So yeah, checks out.

Sure. . RU barely beats any major school in those areas. You have parents in this very thread who went to RU who are staying RU doesn’t stack up to any of the schools they visited. Curios, how
Many of these schools have you actually ever visited? In the last two years off the top of my head I can say I’ve visited
Clemson
Texas
SMU
Notre Dame
Ole miss
Baylor
TCU
Pitt
Davidson
High Point
Georgetown
Indiana
Michigan
Maryland
Rice
Brown
Penn
Cornell
Princeton
Bucknell
Binghamton

I’m sure I’m missing a bunch as well.

 

[vkj91]

Because tuition is out of control. It’s not just RU.

Tuition is as out of control as you want to make it. A NJ resident could go to a community college for 2 years and then commute to any one of our many state schools and probably graduate with virtually zero debt working part time and the during the summer. But lets be honest, that’s not acceptable for most NJ kids and their parents

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

Why is this part so hard to grasp by some in the thread?

Well let's see. You're supposed to go to college for an education. And let's be pretty clear there's not very many NJ kids applying to UF or UGA. UNC, UVA, Duke and Vandy (and I guess Stanford and Cal now) are academically elite institutions. Interestingly, in these threads, those names never surface...what a mystery....

So putting those aside...at least at the undergrad level, RU pretty much is as good...and in mostly cases SIGNIFICANTLY superior academically (vs NJ parent favorites like Clemson or Bama in particular).

Then there is the cost aspect. Boy it sure is funny to hear how middle class families should send their kids to community college from people who think a degree from Clemson is worth more than one from Rutgers. I guess the money judgments don't go both ways?

And to top the cherry on the cake...that middle class or poor kid should schlep to Brookdale or whatever for 2 years, but the rich kid should value a pretty campus for 4? I mean probably 5 or 6, but same point.
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I think a lot of people make a lot of comments and then don't like the spotlight shone back on theirs. Too bad.

Personally my kid will be told...your choices are....Ivies/truly elite institutions or RU. You get a scholarship that makes the cost the same elsewhere, sure. If they didn't get into RU, after I was done bawling, I'd work it out, but it would be to next best ACADEMIC institution. Maybe that's Rowan. Maybe it's TCNJ. Or maybe it is somewhere OOS. But that is something different.

The idea I'd spend more money because of weather or a fancy facility is pretty hilarious. Even if I were a billionaire I know how much a dollar is worth and that's a lesson everyone should want to impart to their children. Then the same people whining cry crocodile tears because some other parent pays their kid's rent in Hoboken. Precious.

If people need to spend money to show off, there are surely better options. Send your kid to RU and buy a condo in New Brunswick or get them a nice car. A private, ELITE grad school (not Clemson. But Bama has a pretty good law school!)

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

Sure. . RU barely beats any major school in those areas. You have parents in this very thread who went to RU who are staying RU doesn’t stack up to any of the schools they visited. Curios, how
Many of these schools have you actually ever visited? In the last two years off the top of my head I can say I’ve visited
Clemson
Texas
SMU
Notre Dame
Ole miss
Baylor
TCU
Pitt
Davidson
High Point
Georgetown
Indiana
Michigan
Maryland
Rice
Brown
Penn
Cornell
Princeton
Bucknell
Binghamton

I’m sure I’m missing a bunch as well.

Comparing Clemson to Texas is hilarious enough, never mind ND, GTown, Michigan, Rice, Davidson or an Ivy lol.

But good job shifting the Shop Rite line hits like Indiana and Clemson and Ole Miss in there with actual elite schools.

I am sure many NJ kids come down to Cornell and Clemson, LOL. And I've been to Ithaca and a bunch of those other campuses. I am sure in fantasy land they're on par.

 

[Jtung230]

Tuition is as out of control as you want to make it. A NJ resident could go to a community college for 2 years and then commute to any one of our many state schools and probably graduate with virtually zero debt working part time and the during the summer. But lets be honest, that’s not acceptable for most NJ kids and their parents

Funny you brought this up. In VA, if you go to CC and get a certain grade, you are guaranteed to get into UVA. I don’t know if NJ has the same setup. Was also speaking with my wife about how we used to work in the summer and part-time in school to pay for a good portion of school. But no chance to that now because how expensive schools are. The most shocking one is U of Miami at 91k. No part-time job is going to make a dent in that.

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

I can see that. Hearing Bama also giving out big numbers to NJ kids.

Going to FSU or Bama...definitely for the "facilities" alright

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

Funny you brought this up. In VA, if you go to CC and get a certain grade, you are guaranteed to get into UVA. I don’t know if NJ has the same setup. Was also speaking with my wife about how we used to work in the summer and part-time in school to pay for a good portion of school. But no chance to that now because how expensive schools are. The most shocking one is U of Miami at 91k. No part-time job is going to make a dent in that.

In NJ it's guaranteed to A state school, not necessarily RU.

 

[e5fdny]

Well let's see. You're supposed to go to college for an education. And let's be pretty clear there's not very many NJ kids applying to UF or UGA. UNC, UVA, Duke and Vandy (and I guess Stanford and Cal now) are academically elite institutions. Interestingly, in these threads, those names never surface...what a mystery....

So putting those aside...at least at the undergrad level, RU pretty much is as good...and in mostly cases SIGNIFICANTLY superior academically (vs NJ parent favorites like Clemson or Bama in particular).

Then there is the cost aspect. Boy it sure is funny to hear how middle class families should send their kids to community college from people who think a degree from Clemson is worth more than one from Rutgers. I guess the money judgments don't go both ways?

And to top the cherry on the cake...that middle class or poor kid should schlep to Brookdale or whatever for 2 years, but the rich kid should value a pretty campus for 4? I mean probably 5 or 6, but same point.
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I think a lot of people make a lot of comments and then don't like the spotlight shone back on theirs. Too bad.

Personally my kid will be told...your choices are....Ivies/truly elite institutions or RU. You get a scholarship that makes the cost the same elsewhere, sure. If they didn't get into RU, after I was done bawling, I'd work it out, but it would be to next best ACADEMIC institution. Maybe that's Rowan. Maybe it's TCNJ. Or maybe it is somewhere OOS. But that is something different.

The idea I'd spend more money because of weather or a fancy facility is pretty hilarious. Even if I were a billionaire I know how much a dollar is worth and that's a lesson everyone should want to impart to their children. Then the same people whining cry crocodile tears because some other parent pays their kid's rent in Hoboken. Precious.

If people need to spend money to show off, there are surely better options. Send your kid to RU and buy a condo in New Brunswick or get them a nice car. A private, ELITE grad school (not Clemson. But Bama has a pretty good law school!)

Henry Rutgers:

“Don’t let school get in the way of your education.”

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

Considering the student is going to be living in one, I’m not surprised it’s high on the list.

Why wouldn’t your actual living arrangements be something of a priority?

For a year. Not even. Really 8 months or so.

Then you could move off campus or into a bigger dorm.

I mean...when I was 18 there were times I slept on the floor. How much time did you spend in a dorm? It's mostly for sleeping...

 

[Jtung230]

In NJ it's guaranteed to A state school, not necessarily RU.

That’s not a good setup. They should just tier the GPA requirements to each school. The uncertainty really hurts the program.

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

Henry Rutgers:

“Don’t let school get in the way of your education.”

Which gets to my prior point. Where is a kid going to learn more about the real world?

Rutgers? Or Clemson, FSU or Bama?

I guess learning about weather is a thing. And endowments. And being in a fancy dorm. Definitely skills you take into adulthood.

 

[vkj91]

Funny you brought this up. In VA, if you go to CC and get a certain grade, you are guaranteed to get into UVA. I don’t know if NJ has the same setup. Was also speaking with my wife about how we used to work in the summer and part-time in school to pay for a good portion of school. But no chance to that now because how expensive schools are. The most shocking one is U of Miami at 91k. No part-time job is going to make a dent in that.

No but if we are talking about getting a quality education for a non wealthy family Miami shouldn’t be on the list. Florida has the same process as Va. CC with a certain GPA gets you into the state schools. You could easily pay for that with part time job and summer work. I have a friend whose son goes to south Florida. Between residency and some other programs they have he’s paying 2k a semester and rents an apartment off campus for peanuts.

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

That’s not a good setup. They should just tier the GPA requirements to each school. The uncertainty really hurts the program.

Remember in NJ if you are low income you have free tuition to RU. So if you are going to community college it is likely that you are doing so more for academic reasons than money ones.

My understanding though is that if you have over a 3.5 you will likely get in.

 

[Jtung230]

No but if we are talking about getting a quality education for a non wealthy family Miami shouldn’t be on the list. Florida has the same process as Va. CC with a certain GPA gets you into the state schools. You could easily pay for that with part time job and summer work. I have a friend whose son goes to south Florida. Between residency and some other programs they have he’s paying 2k a semester and rents an apartment off campus for peanuts.

Are you guaranteed to get into UF or just one of the public’s in FL? Big difference.

 

[BuggsyRU]

Prep scholar
Average acceptance rate
Delaware 79%
Rutgers 66%
Clemson 49%

Maybe you need to realize things are different than when you went to school. A lot has changed in academia. Just like people here have argued Northeastern isn’t hard to get in to lately.

There are few, if any, metrics that would indicate Clemson is a better academic school than Rutgers, but there are dozens that indicate Rutgers is better than Clemson. If you are using acceptance rate to make your point, then you are starting an argument behind the eight ball.

 

[RC1978]

LOL - Like I said, I visited more than 15 schools in the last year. But why let the facts get in the way. Most showed dorms. Those that don't are not showing them for a reason. Seems you and I have a different set of data. Mine seems to be a larger sample size. I like Rutgers, but the dorms are trash...that's a fact.

Sorry to say you are off on a lot of your points but we can agree to disagree. First off , show me a school where the freshman get the best dorms. Freshman don't give a crap and love just not being home.
Livi apartments are not for Grad students. My daughter lived there Sophomore year. RU now has a priority point system for the dorms. You get more "points" depending on your grade level so Juniors and Seniors will usually get the dorms/ apartments they want.
Livi Apartments are some of the nicest at RU
The Yard on College Ave are also top of the line and of course the Honor College dorm
The STEM dorm on Busch is real nice .
Agree with Douglas / Cook not having nice dorms.

IMO Livi is great for Freshman. Dining hall is one of the nicest I have ever seen. Student Center , Movie Theatre, other place to eat are also nice. My daughter lived in the towers freshman year , had a corner room and had room for a couch and was typical for a dorm.

Son lived in Barr freshman year. Not a nice dorm, but RU was smart putting all freshman engineering students in the same dorm so they could study and bond together. Busch dining hall is probably the second nicest dining hall on campus.

You can argue that RU is too big and spread out. But I look at it this way. It is really 4 small colleges with their own "feel" . Cook / Douglas the hippie campus. College Ave the party campus. Busch the nerd campus and Livi freshman and Biz School.

Admittedly some of the older dorms are what they are are, dorm rooms. They have updated the River Dorms and the Quad on College Ave.

I will agree on one key point if you wand to take your kid on a RU tour. The bus tour sucks. Find someone to take walking tour with your kid. I have given at least 20 over the years and the parents really saw the difference compared to the bus tour.

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

Like I asked before, please share which schools showed you dorms and why they were better than RU NB dorms?

I guess all of us back for new buildings for new games are imagining them.

There is a social element at play here. It's pretty obvious.

 

[vkj91]

Comparing Clemson to Texas is hilarious enough, never mind ND, GTown, Michigan, Rice, Davidson or an Ivy lol.

But good job shifting the Shop Rite line hits like Indiana and Clemson and Ole Miss in there with actual elite schools.

I am sure many NJ kids come down to Cornell and Clemson, LOL. And I've been to Ithaca and a bunch of those other campuses. I am sure in fantasy land they're on par.

Proving again that you can’t follow a thread. I’m not saying those schools are the same academically. I’m stating that unlike you, I’ve actually been to campuses since 2014. As for Clemson, that school was brought up by others, maybe you, not sure why you continue to harp on it as the only option

Oh went to Florida as well

 

[Knight Shift]

Housing isn't the determining factor, but it can be an influence. It's typically only even part of the kids life freshman year. But when you are looking at multiple large public universities and RU is the one that has 90% nasty housing, it makes RU look bad. Then you tour the academic buildings and if you really look, most are pretty beat up and ugly. Rutgers looks bad in most physical ways, including spread over multiple campuses that you need to take a bus to. It's far from ideal and far from a normal campus that one would expect. Besides my kids, I have nephews from PA who ended up going to PSU. They considered RU and then when they visited they were very turned off, mostly because of the multi-campus system. Great school with excellent and improving rep, but it's not a nice place by any means.

Lies and/or hyperbole with that 90% ****. I gave comparisons. You keep throwing out complaints and insults. Name the 90% of the dorms/housing you have visited.

Most academic buildings are beat up and ugly? More hyperbole and lies. You been on Livingston or Busch campuses lately? College Ave is being refurbished with new buildings. The Honors College area is awesome.

Buses? University of Michigan, Ohio State University of Wisconsin, Penn State and almost any flagship university has large, spread out campuses with bus routes.

You done pissing on Rutgers yet?

 

[Knight Shift]

If living situation is high on your list, go to Arizona or Arizona State. I was under the impression that Livingston has the best dorms now but not according to @ScarletDog. Am I missing something? All of my college tours didn’t include dorm tours. The dorms I have seen are Villanova and Babson via summer camp. Villanova is worst than RU and Babson was about the same. Would love to hear what are the better dorms like and where.

Has @ScarletDog named a single dorm he's been to. He said 90% of them are crap. Sounds like a huge stretch.

 

[vkj91]

Which gets to my prior point. Where is a kid going to learn more about the real world?

Rutgers? Or Clemson, FSU or Bama?

I guess learning about weather is a thing. And endowments. And being in a fancy dorm. Definitely skills you take into adulthood.

Yes buses will definitely teach you about the real world. Rutgers is the only place you prepare for the real world. Because of buses and ****** dorms and living tow hours from home. Hope the real world never involves airports NJ kids would be screwed. Lol

 

[Fat Koko]

I can see that. Hearing Bama also giving out big numbers to NJ kids.

As I posted earlier in thread, Alabama has been doing that for awhile. Several NJ residents have received full rides yet didn't bother to graduate. Minkah Fitzpatrick and Antonio Alfano are two.

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

Proving again that you can’t follow a thread. I’m not saying those schools are the same academically. I’m stating that unlike you, I’ve actually been to campuses since 2014. As for Clemson, that school was brought up by others, maybe you, not sure why you continue to harp on it as the only option

You mentioned it, do we need to go back and shame you *again*?

Alone off that list, I went to see RU play at Michigan in 2015 lol. I did a whole thread writing up about it.

For a normal person, understanding this excludes you, they'd be excited to go to Cornell over Clemson regardless of the campus or the dorm. Cornell happens to have a beautiful campus in any case, but it has bad weather....definitely a ding LOL

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

Yes buses will definitely teach you about the real world. Rutgers is the only place you prepare for the real world. Because of buses and ****** dorms and living tow hours from home. Hope the real world never involves airports NJ kids would be screwed. Lol

Yeah the real world is going to a school with lesser academics and no diversity, but a big endowment and nice weather.

Everyone knows companies offer jobs based on weather. That and they check the endowment of where you went to school.

One of our biggest football donors went to Wisconsin so that must be a cruddy reflection on UW lol.

Yeah definitely the RU kid will never know an airport.

Oh right, he'll have money for Study Abroad that the Clemson kid is too sheltered for, and Spring Break, that Clemson kid's parents are afraid of.

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

Lies and/or hyperbole with that 90% ****. I gave comparisons. You keep throwing out complaints and insults. Name the 90% of the dorms/housing you have visited.

Most academic buildings are beat up and ugly? More hyperbole and lies. You been on Livingston or Busch campuses lately? College Ave is being refurbished with new buildings. The Honors College area is awesome.

Buses? University of Michigan, Ohio State University of Wisconsin, Penn State and almost any flagship university has large, spread out campuses with bus routes.

You done pissing on Rutgers yet?

I mean he's talking about going to FSU over RU...so...putting even the hilarious academic comparison aside...they must have no bus....right?

Oh...

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

Lookie here....the Harvard of Upstate of South Carolina!

But I bet they have a pretty dorm.

That and one and two when you look for a college- nice weather and a big endowment.

 

[vkj91]

Are you guaranteed to get into UF or just one of the public’s in FL? Big difference.

My understanding is any but to be honest I never research it since it didn’t pertain to me

 

[vkj91]

Yeah the real world is going to a school with lesser academics and no diversity, but a big endowment and nice weather.

Everyone knows companies offer jobs based on weather. That and they check the endowment of where you went to school.

One of our biggest football donors went to Wisconsin so that must be a cruddy reflection on UW lol.

Yeah definitely the RU kid will never know an airport.

Oh right, he'll have money for Study Abroad that the Clemson kid is too sheltered for, and Spring Break, that Clemson kid's parents are afraid of.

Someday you will have more than generalities and your believed stereotypes. Please list the number of schools that you have visited in the last 3 years.

 

[vkj91]

Lookie here....the Harvard of Upstate of South Carolina!

But I bet they have a pretty dorm.

That and one and two when you look for a college- nice weather and a big endowment.

Once again proving you know nothing. Clemson buses are for commuters to get from commuter lots to campus. It’s also to provide transportation to neighboring communities and free trips to nearby airports. Not to get from class to class or campus to campus.

 

[bitnez]

I was a Livingston guy coming out of HS. I lived in the Quads. I transferred after my freshman year. Accepted to ND. Turned it down though and went to Rutgers College instead. Even stayed in the Quads as a sophomore. Still friends with a lot of the guys I met there. Yes, the dorms were terrible but I don’t regret it at all.

 

[vkj91]

You mentioned it, do we need to go back and shame you *again*?

Alone off that list, I went to see RU play at Michigan in 2015 lol. I did a whole thread writing up about it.

For a normal person, understanding this excludes you, they'd be excited to go to Cornell over Clemson regardless of the campus or the dorm. Cornell happens to have a beautiful campus in any case, but it has bad weather....definitely a ding LOL

Please do. Wrong again as always. I did not bring Clemson into the conversation. At least 4 people did before me

 

[bitnez]

Someday you will have more than generalities and your believed stereotypes. Please list the number of schools that you have visited in the last 3 years.

My girls applied mainly to T25 schools. I have to say Duke it’s a pretty unbelievable campus. My oldest didn’t end up there but she’s not at RU either. I’m good with her choice and cool with cutting the check. Sure, I would’ve liked her to go to RU but the way I look at it is RU gave me the success to afford to send her somewhere else.

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

Someday you will have more than generalities and your believed stereotypes. Please list the number of schools that you have visited in the last 3 years.

Don't need to visit a glorified community college to know it pales academically. What does that have to do with anything?

I guess I need to experience the weather? Nah I'd rather go to a tropical country I can afford easily and not have to deal with people too weak for NJ.

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

Please do. Wrong again as always. I did not bring Clemson into the conversation. At least 4 people did before me

Prep scholar
Average acceptance rate
Delaware 79%
Rutgers 66%
Clemson 49%

Maybe you need to realize things are different than when you went to school. A lot has changed in academia. Just like people here have argued Northeastern isn’t hard to get in to lately.

LOL. One guy said Clemson is considered because of football, and here is your post defending their academics.

Which is definitely way different and better

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

My girls applied mainly to T25 schools. I have to say Duke it’s a pretty unbelievable campus. My oldest didn’t end up there but she’s not at RU either. I’m good with her choice and cool with cutting the check. Sure, I would’ve liked her to go to RU but the way I look at it is RU gave me the success to afford to send her somewhere else.

Excuse me but if you haven't visited you can't say Duke is better than Clemson.

How about weather and dorms?!!!!

 

[vkj91]

LOL. One guy said Clemson is considered because of football, and here is your post defending their academics.

Which is definitely way different and better

Not one guy. And you said I was the first. So either way wrong. And to illustrate how dumb you are, the post you quoted of mine was me responding to someone who brought up Clemson.

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

Once again proving you know nothing. Clemson buses are for commuters to get from commuter lots to campus. It’s also to provide transportation to neighboring communities and free trips to nearby airports. Not to get from class to class or campus to campus.

Which is...exactly what the RU bus does, sans the airport. You could use it for classes, but don't have to. I don't think I took the bus senior year outside of football.

You didn't go to RU (thankfully) but are here ranting and raving about it.

 

[Jtung230]

My understanding is any but to be honest I never research it since it didn’t pertain to me

That would suck if you were accepted to UF and after CC get placed at FAU.

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

Not one guy. And you said I was the first. So either way wrong.

Yeah one other person responded to him.

You were the first one to defend.

As always, I was right.

Has there ever been a thread where you were not absolutely owned?

This is definitely a top 5. Though not as good as when you got the McGill tuition wrong, or any CEsspool gem.

 

[vkj91]

Which is...exactly what the RU bus does, sans the airport. You could use it for classes, but don't have to. I don't think I took the bus senior year outside of football.

You didn't go to RU (thankfully) but are here ranting and raving about it.

Haven’t rented to raved or even said one negative thing about RU. You are unhinged