OT: B10 expands/PAC B12 TBD

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

No surprise.



Paywall article but some excerpts. Sounds like Oregon/Washington vs Arizona/ASU and each is waiting for the other to blink as neither wants to be seen as gutting the PAC but they don't want to be left holding the bag either. PAC meeting scheduled for Friday as well. ASU prez had been strong supporter of Larry Scott and the PAC and he kind of doesn't want to be seen as jumping from the ship that he helped lead into the iceberg lol.

From the article:

Oregon is now viewed as charting the course for the Pac-12's future. If the Ducks are comfortable with a Big Ten offer, Washington would follow. But there's also a chance Oregon may be comfortable with the ambiguity of the Pac-12's deal, stay put, and try to dominate the Pac-12.

There's a sense the Big Ten's decision could be tied to what the three remaining Four-Corner Schools -- Arizona, Arizona State and Utah -- end up doing. But there's also the idea those schools want to wait and see what Oregon and Washington end up doing.

The fascinating dynamic of hoping someone else goes first underscores one of the concerns that has loomed here -- no one is eager to pull the plug on the Pac-12. But everyone is also scrambling so they don't get left behind. That leaves a landscape filled with paranoia, fake hustle, lies and hopes. Sounds collegial, huh?

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

 

[pmvon]

Oregon trying to get more money. No way they don’t take a big invite.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

Oregon trying to get more money. No way they don’t take a big invite.

I still have a hard time believing they would accept the PAC deal. I think all of them can get over the money hurdle (10M deficit vs the B12). I don't think they can get over the exposure hurdle too.

Like Oregon is Nike and flashy with their uniforms and what not but what good is that for recruiting and all the pomp if no one sees you because you're stuck on AppleTV+ with an add-on membership needed to watch. It's the same for the other PAC schools too. IMO that's the straw that breaks the camel's back.

 

[krup]

Reddit is often a cesspool, but I am stealing the name someone there came up with for the conference Cal and Stanford are going to have to cobble together when the dust settles:

Broke PAC/Mountain

 

[Anteid]

If cal , Stanford, Oregon, Washington to BigTen happens and Florida State leave the Acc , ND Will certainly cut ties as well with zero guarantee path to the championship game

 

[mdk02]

If cal , Stanford, Oregon, Washington to BigTen happens and Florida State leave the Acc , ND Will certainly cut ties as well with zero guarantee path to the championship game

ND football is not in the ACC. They wouldn't be ranked in the preseason Top 10 every year if they were.

 

[czxqa]

Sounds like this is basically a done deal barring the math not working.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

 

[MADHAT1]

ND football is not in the ACC. They wouldn't be ranked in the preseason Top 10 every year if they were.

But in it's agreement with the ACC when Notre Dame placed it's other sports programs in the ACC, the imitation Irish agreed to play 4 or 5 ACC programs in football every year until the ACC GOR expired starting in 2014

 

[Knight Shift]

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

Following the same path as Colorado.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

 

[Knight Shift]

Following the same path as Colorado.

What about the Sun Devils?

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

What about the Sun Devils?

Well you’d think they would go together but it’s not 100%. BOR oversees both schools but I think presidents are allowed to make individual decisions.

Only question is pro rata rate for teams 14-15 but it sounded like ESPN was on board even though Fox was a little ambivalent. Exposure of the B12 would still beat the Apple deal and that I think is the biggest issue more than just the 10M deficit compared to the B12.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

 

[RuSnp]

I'm sorry but I didn't watch Arizona ever before this news and I won't watch them now even if they are playing not Texas, not Nebraska, not A&M, not Oklahoma... actually nevermind.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

I'm sorry but I didn't watch Arizona ever before this news and I won't watch them now even if they are playing not Texas, not Nebraska, not A&M, not Oklahoma... actually nevermind.

It’s less about Arizona but more about will they be the next domino to fall that can lead to Oregon Washington to the B10.

If it’s just them and Colorado then I think the B10 willl stand pat. But if it triggers ASU and Utah like many expect then Oregon Washington are likely next to the B10.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

What about the Sun Devils?

 

[krup]

What about the Sun Devils?

The story a few days ago was that ESPN had preapproved that any P5 addition the B12 made would get a full share up until the conference had 16, but Fox hadn’t agreed to that. I wonder if Fox would only pay for one addition (Arizona).

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

If you subtract the 10M extra travel expense UW estimated from that Dodd tweet that would still put them ahead of the low 20s offer from Apple along with the much better exposure of the B10. Eventually they would be full members anyhow.

 

[Knight Shift]

Well you’d think they would go together but it’s not 100%. BOR oversees both schools but I think presidents are allowed to make individual decisions.

Only question is pro rata rate for teams 14-15 but it sounded like ESPN was on board even though Fox was a little ambivalent. Exposure of the B12 would still beat the Apple deal and that I think is the biggest issue more than just the 10M deficit compared to the B12.

Could be just me, but as a part time Arizona resident, I like ASU better. Cooler uniforms

 

[pmvon]

If you subtract the 10M extra travel expense UW estimated from that Dodd tweet that would still put them ahead of the low 20s offer from Apple along with the much better exposure of the B10. Eventually they would be full members anyhow.

These are long term minded institutions. The big with smaller payout now is way better long term. They know that.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

These are long term minded institutions. The big with smaller payout now is way better long term. They know that.

You’d think they would but who knows. There have been other decisions made in realignment that don’t take into account long term consequences.

 

[Nycrusupporter]

These are long term minded institutions. The big with smaller payout now is way better long term. They know that.

Most of the people running these places are incompetent. Don’t discount their ability to screw things up.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

 

[pmvon]

Most of the people running these places are incompetent. Don’t discount their ability to screw things up.

Meh disagree

 

[NickRU714]

Why is the Big Ten still doing the arbitrary "you earn X for a couple years" shenanigans?
I thought they got rid of that precedent with USC and UCLA. Now it's back?

 

[Retired711]

Why is the Big Ten still doing the arbitrary "you earn X for a couple years" shenanigans?
I thought they got rid of that precedent with USC and UCLA. Now it's back?

Yes, and quite logically so. USC/UCLA are much more valuable and (with the Pac then still intact) had much leverage than Washington/Oregon or Cal/Stanford now do, so USC/UCLA got a better deal. I think the reason for the talk of two schools is to bargain down Washington/Oregon, and then to give less to Cal/Stanford, especially Cal. If the Cal fan base is any indication, Cal will take *any* deal.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

 

[cubuffsdoug_rivals]

Why is the Big Ten still doing the arbitrary "you earn X for a couple years" shenanigans?
I thought they got rid of that precedent with USC and UCLA. Now it's back?

USC and UCLA were factored in the media deal, which led to the bump in money per team. The media deal is for 16 teams. If Oregon and Washington join the B1G, the networks haven't factored 18 teams to split the pie even. Nebraska, Rutgers, and Maryland came in during the middle of a media deal, so they had to settle for a buy-in, as should OU and UW. If the B1G gave NU, RU, and UMd. equal shares, the other teams would suffer a loss of revenue.

Example: 16 teams are making $70 million because that is what the league and Networks agreed. Now you add 2 teams, and where is this extra money coming from? The 16 teams would have to take less money to cover the two additional teams, which would not sit well with those teams.

The Big 12 is playing Russian roulette because it's about survival. The Big 12 believes ESPN will cover the additional teams. One problem is Disney is tired of printing money for ESPN and openly shopping them to others. If Disney can tell Marvel to pull back, that's telling you Disney is tightening its belt. B1G is getting its money from three sources (FOX, NBC, and CBS). It is an easier pill to swallow.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

Sounds familiar.

From the article:

The people spoke on condition of anonymity because no formal offer has been extended to the schools. But the framework of a deal was presented that would have the Ducks and Huskies enter the conference with an annual payout in the low-to-mid $30 millions.

The schools could also receive an advance on future payments that could increase the total payout to more than $40 million for the first several years they are in the conference, though it would be subtracted from future payouts, two people said.

 

[Knight Shift]

Is it any surprise a team named Trojans acting like dickheads when they don't even have a seat at the table yet?

See? Can "we" cut USC loose already?

 

[Knight Shift]

You are greatly overestimating the research $ impact . (You're not alone in this.) The academic consortium makes a modest contribution by increasing cooperation, but it doesn't do much tangibly to increase the research dollars that the schools each receive.

 

[RUforlife]

Stanford has the best athletics department in the country. I wish Rutgers had this type of "meddling."

I think it is called the Rutgers 1,000. I don't know if they still exist, but if you are interested I am sure there are ways to find out.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

I think it is called the Rutgers 1,000. I don't know if they still exist, but if you are interested I am sure there are ways to find out.

If I remember correctly, the Rutgers 1000 was six people. And I assume somewhere they still exist, since at least one of them had tenure. And if we ever get to the point where we have the best athletics department in the country, those six people can ***** and complain all they want, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[RUBigFrank]

If the current makeup of the PAC 12 is not receiving any viable media offers - how is a UW UO/Cal Stan anymore appealing to the associated BIGTEN media grouping?

 

[krup]

If the current makeup of the PAC 12 is not receiving any viable media offers - how is a UW UO/Cal Stan anymore appealing to the associated BIGTEN media grouping?

Washington and Oregon are worth more than what was going to be the average PAC12 payout, but less than what the B1G gets. Cal and Stanford are the same, but worth less than Washington and Oregon.

If all of the PAC12 was all at the level of Washington and Oregon they would have received reasonable offers, but their group also included Wash St, Oregon St, and other schools who don’t draw a lot of viewers.

 

[Ridge 22]

You’d think they would but who knows. There have been other decisions made in realignment that don’t take into account long term consequences.

True. But almost all of them turned out badly. Most realignment errors have been the result of inaction. Look no further than the Pac 12. You are either aggressive and forward looking or someone else will be in your place.