Sounds too little to me but who knows. The FSU lawyer explicitly said 572M didn't he. Seems like it would be hard to get too far away from that number. The range you give is less than 50% of that number.
OT: B1G additions
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He said that was the number but there's zero chance they're paying anywhere near that amount, as it defeats the whole purpose of leaving to begin with and it's not taking into consideration either winning the case or settling before it goes to trial (and based on the newfound information about the ACC''s shady dealings, I'm not really sure they want to go down that route and get exposed)
After reading just about everything on this subject in great detail for the past 10 years and following it very closely, I think FSU gets out relatively quickly, and for less than anyone thinks. There are tons of holes in the GOR agreement (2027 ESPN unilateral right to cancel, Swofford nepotism issues with media rights negotiations, lack of consideration to the GOR being extended, ACC not being forthcoming with full information to conference members etc), that I don't see any way the ACC and ESPN want to fight this out in court and have their dirty laundry exposed. This definitely settles, and like I said, I think rather quickly. This will not be dragged out for years. Guaranteed. Only question is how much, and it won't be the crazy numbers being thrown around. Disagree if you want, but this will be the outcome.
From everything I've been told, they'll be out in 2-3 years, with 2025 as the likely date for starting play in a new conference (likely, the B1G).
Like you said though, the final amount they'll settle for is the main issue at play here.
This is all going to unfold quickly, but at the same time I am not sure the outcome impacts the legal standing of the existening GOR'S for any other conference necessarily. The ACC situation is unique (2027 ESPN exit clause and Swofford malfeasance/nepotism). Almost akin here to the PGA and Suadis. PGA can fight it, but they won't win long term, it will cost them a fortune, and most importantly, they don't want their dirty laundry exposed. Settling will quickly become the obvious end game here as well. The ACC is coming out with a lot of bluster right now, but I think they know it is game over. They will reconstitute as a lessor but more acedemic and homogeneous conference (think the service academies, Rice, Tulane etc). But FSU will be out soon and others will quickly follow. Good for FSU for having the balls to take this on. They will be rewarded for it.
The ACC represents not just the conference, but also all the schools that have nowhere to go. They have no reason the settle with FSU. As the article below points out, FSU’s legal arguments to exit a contract that willfully signed not once, but twice, are very weak. In addition, one thing I would add, the article makes the presumption the contract is bad because the ACC is paid a lot less than the BIG and the SEC. There is no indication or proof anyone is willing to pay more money to broadcast the ACC, the media contract value may be very fair.
https://mikefarrellsports.com/featu...-law-will-not-protect-a-party-from-a-bad-deal
Would it surprise anyone if students AND faculty at Berkeley protests a move to the B10? They’re anti everything that’s mainstream
They literally did not have a choice, if they would not have done anything, they would’ve been a minimum of $500 million behind by the end of the contract, and that’s being conservative
Once you fall that far behind, you are no longer competing at an elite level, as you are just too far behind your competitors and peers
I’m shocked those knuckleheads still have an actual athletic department
They are essentially anti-anything good, and anti-life in general
Shame too as it’s a world class educational institution in a beautiful part of the country
In the lawsuit, FSU had begun to air some of their dirty laundry, and I highly doubt ESPN or the league would want all of that exposed.
Expect a settlement relatively shortly for nowhere near the $572 million amount that has been thrown out there.
The ACC may want fight, but doing so would be too damaging to them. They do not want their dirty laundry exposed. Trust me this is how it will play out. Very few on these boards that understand realignment to the extent I do.
this is correct
few even realize that the GOR is under lock and key and you can't take pics, make copies etc. it's insane?????
Probably a dumb question:
Why does FSU have to buy back their media rights from ESPN?
Couldn’t they leave the ACC (via negotiationed fee), join another conference, keep receiving media revenue from ACC GOR, forgoe media revenue from new conference, collect other conference money (Bowl game revenues, NCAA tournament revenues, advertising, etc.).
It doesn’t help FSU bridge the money gap still stuck under then ACC contract but at least they are free.
Then can work on getting out of the GOR separately.
Why does FSU have to buy back their media rights from ESPN?
Couldn’t they leave the ACC (via negotiationed fee), join another conference, keep receiving media revenue from ACC GOR, forgoe media revenue from new conference, collect other conference money (Bowl game revenues, NCAA tournament revenues, advertising, etc.).
It doesn’t help FSU bridge the money gap still stuck under then ACC contract but at least they are free.
Then can work on getting out of the GOR separately.
Quick question, slightly deviating from the topic. Do the networks still do the regional broadcasts in certain time slots? For example, it used to be that for the noon time slot, ESPN might show one game for the Eastern US, and one Western US. Do they still do that, or are all the games just national now?
I ask because it seems like if they are all national broadcasts now, markets wouldn't be as relevant.
I ask because it seems like if they are all national broadcasts now, markets wouldn't be as relevant.
nope, it's the full one nor the completed articles one. that has been confirmed. I'll find the link
apologies, its the agreements with espn and the ryder to the GOR 2027 executable clauses that are under lock and key, no copies, no photos, notes etc.. The ACC filed to keep this secret and out of discovery which won't happen with the FSU lawsuit.
one of the reasons this will settle imho
Jay dog,
Any truth to the ACC being able to dissolve if seven or more schools choose to leave?
Additionally, FSU is making it loud and clear they want out sooner rather than later by any means necessary but if ACC stays intact I agree they will work towards a settlement somehow. That dollar amount is yet to be determined but it’s stated as starting at $572MM. FSU signed the GOR twice. That’s not in dispute. It’s a legally binding contract so I see the ACC playing hardball and may stand pat on .50 cents on the dollar. That is a significant range of funds that FSU will have to come up with. Question: how much equity is FSU willing to give up or finance expense FSU is willing to pay to get the up front cash needed to bail sooner rather later?
GO RU
No B1G doesn’t care about that. You have ‘money talks’ backwards. The money is too much to give a **** about AAU.
university presidents’ primary objective is to increase revenues. It’s always been that and never about AAU. AAU was a convenient PR thing but never a real factor.
Purdue and Michigan St. were not AAU when they joined. The AAU requirement was always PR ********.
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Not sure on amount of schools, I thought it was majority but have hear heard it’s more
I’ve heard amount they’d be be willing to pay us between 200 & 300 mil but im not sure how accurate that is
I thought it was a preference but not a deal breaker especially if the school is actively working towards achieving it
That along w the 24 sport minimum won’t be happening overnight
Bobby Bowden isn't coach any more. He is not even alive.
Three national titles: 1993, 1999, 2013 (Jimbo)
19 conference championships and 49 bowl games. Ten bowl games since 2010.
Cal has won FIVE national titles.- yeah, last one was 1937. 14 conference titles (last one 2006), 25 bowl games. Five bowls games since 2010.
Sure, Cal has fallen off in recent years, but they are not a dead program. Similar to Rutgers, they made a couple of bad hires. They get a solid coach, and they can be good.
Not a weird flex at all. EVERY member of the B1G when added to the conference has been an AAU member.
FSU academics are ***. FFS, USF and Miami are AAU members. FSU is not. #FACTS.
Bring on da U!!!!!
The FSU pom pom boy has about 80% of the posts in this thread. Whenever challenged with FACTS, he resorts to insults.
FSU and anyone else that's wants out, will get it by 2yrs or 2026. 2027 for the execution to 2036 that was not executed (can't execute now with lawsuit and hence why FSU acted quickly, makes 2027 the final date for monies owed for exiting schools is the revelation that destroys the ACC.
MD is a portion of the DMA. Adding a school like UVA brings the entire state into play (Northern VA, Tidewater, Richmond, central/western). Top notch academic institution. Quality basketball, baseball, soccer, Olympic sports and a football program that’s had more historical success than our beloved program. I think paired up with UNC and the BIG takes them both.
I think the BIG wants to expand into FL with a combo of FSU/Miami or one or the other from my point of view.
Would not be surprised if the SEC takes Va Tech and NC St if the ACC falls apart.
I think people should not sleep on the B12 with Yormark at the helm. Looks like he’s building a national conference that knows it’s below the BIG/SEC tier but having a presence in markets with heavy HS football talent and making its name as the best basketball conference. I can see the B12 giving a better short term offer to schools like FSU and Clemson since a potential BIG offer will probably include an 8-10 vesting schedule. I also don’t see the SEC adding schools from markets they already have membership and have a dominant presence in those markets. I also think the B12 will go after remaining pieces like Lville, GTech, Pitt, BC, Duke.
GO RU
Grandpa’s awake!!
FWIW, KN started w the insults
Remember, this is the same guy that thinks Hobbs did a great job with NIL, regardless of what Jon said
Stop w the Cal is good nonsense
They haven’t made a rose bowl in 65 years
Again w the academics - this dinosaur has no idea what he’s talking about.
For the love of God, do some research. Put down the encyclopedia brittanica and use the interwebs
And for the 90th time geezer, it’s about money. Football beings in money.
Its not 1963 anymore, nobody puts baseball cards in bike spokes and hot dogs at Yankee stadium don’t cost a nickel
If I ever get this old and delusional, someone please take me out. Old Yeller style, and call it a day
the only DMA that matters in VA is DC
there is nothing below the arlington line
UVA adds nothing but academics
You can bring them with ND but not with Unc or fsu. there is too many mouths to feed and they offer nada
FSU lawsuit alleged that the ACC told the member schools that ESPN required media rights through 2036 in order to move forward with the ACC network. Yet ESPN is not obligated to do anything past 2027 so how does anyone owe anything past 2027 and especially when ESPN hasn't exercised the additional years??????
The little cheerleader is up past bedtime. Put your pom poms away and dream your big dreams, little kid! See how THAT works. Can't have a rational discussion with a Veruca Salt. Miami is a much better candidate for the B1G than FSU. And should the lawsuit succeed, others will follow, and be further ahead in line than FSU.
I'll run circles around you in every aspect of life-- mental, physical, whatever.
I'll run circles around you in every aspect of life-- mental, physical, whatever.
The guy acts like a dick then pretends he’s innocent
If you’re going to be an ***, at least be knowledgeable on the matter at hand
False. Purdue and MSU were not yet AAU. The #1 job of a university president is to increase revenue. AAU membership has just been a convenient coincidence and a false pretense for all the other Big10 universities.
AAU never truly mattered
Wrong. Rubbish. Northern VA and Tidewater/ Richmond are sizable markets in many ways: population, spending power, pop. growth and companies. Bigger than anything west of Jacksonville and north of Gainesville in FL and it’s not DC. UVA has national championships in probably every sport not named Football. Again, without even looking up UVA performance it probably has way more football success than RU. I lived in DC for five years and was a visiting grad student at MD, UVA has the biggest presence of any school in the metro DC area.
UVA bundled with UNC would be high on BIG invite list and can be part or separate to a ND/FSU/Miami contingent.
Don’t see ND joining another conference with the NBC money they get but they’re hedging their bets by now having a presence on the same ND exec network as the BIG and the Cock streaming.
GO RU
You know Miami isn’t ready yet, right?
You also know unc & Clemson will likely be making noise soon… right?
Probably not, and that’s ok, bc you don’t follow it
I do
I’ve been telling this board Noles will be out in 2/3 years for a minute now
Read the tea leaves man
It’s really not that complicated
And one other thing, little twit. Don't put words in other posters' mouths. And don't lie. Go back and check the record on what I said about NIL. You will see what I said- Hobbs and Rutgers have a ton of fiscal priorities (addition/renovation of RAC, Fieldhouse, etc.), renegotiating contracts for Greg and coordinators, etc., etc. Yeah, NIL is important, and items have been addressed, and he has hired several people to address the issue. It's called leadership and delegation-things a loud mouthed message board twit knows nothing about.
You discredit yourself, acting like Veruca Salt regarding FSU's purported bid to get in the B1G, making an arse of yourself. Give it a rest already.
This
Also, Nebraska isn’t aau anyone - r they getting kicked out?
Nobody’s comparing Oregon’s academics to Harvard… and it doesn’t matter bc football is what takes precedence
Its not rocket science, yet the same folks keep arguing the same things over & over no matter how many times they’re proven wrong