"Respect my decision...no questions at this time."So in essence Barkley is de-committing from the Giants. Seems like a habit for the guy.I am joking but i still have not forgiven him for leaving us for Pedd St.
OT: Barkley considering sitting out this season
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I doubt he sits . Giants could tag him again next year.
He will probably hold out and then return to get paid . Maybe he gets āinjuredā and doesnāt play much.
He will probably hold out and then return to get paid . Maybe he gets āinjuredā and doesnāt play much.
Which only hurts himself. He's screwed and made a bad decision or is getting terrible advice. The Giants have him cornered and it's the NFLPA's fault not the Giants.
Right he should have signed the 2 year deal and got some incentives thrown in.
His agents look like morons.
SB's yards per carry last year was 4.6 ranked 23rd in the NFL and about 20th for RBs. In his last 7 games he had 4 games where he averaged 1.47, 3.55, 3.5, 3.11.....all would be near bottom of the league for RBs. While it's true that he carried almost 30% of the Giants offensive output last year - you have to also consider the situation. Giants basically had the worst group of WR's in the league and also lost their best TE (Rookie) option for a significant chunk of the year. Forward looking is that Shoen/Daboll have started to build that group towards respectability for 2023 and will likely continue to do so with further cap relief next year.
Also you need to understand that the cap impact is not limited to a couple million dollars just for SB. Signing him to a longer term deal locks in cap space over multiple years and impacts/limits future moves. RBs are often saddled with injuries as well as and its just not good business to these days to lock a guy into a high salary for multiple years - especially coming off ACL tear and approaching 28.
Further since they did not come to a deal - SB's only decision right now is to sign the Tag offer or sit out. By rule, he cannot sign another deal with the Giants until after the season is over. If they lose him it will be on SB as the $10M Tag salary is near the top for RB's in the league and he re-buffed previous longer term offers from the Giants that would have paid him over $13M per season.
As a Giants fan, avid follower and long time season ticket holder, I certainly want Saquon back. But looking at the longer term, I believe this management team and coach are building something sustainable going forward and with the reality of the hard cap situation, tough decisions need to be made. Further, I also believe that productive RBs are a function of both offensive systems as well as well oiled productivity and consistency on the offensive line.
Iām with you. Just make business decisions on the field. Why fight for the extra yard or try to break tackles. Just run out of bounds or take a knee.
You also have to consider the limited capabilities of 4 of the 5 OL in front of him. That 4.6 would have been better if about 28 of the other 31 NFL OLs had been in front of him.
Few if any of the other RBs in the league were relied on more.
Which is why what Shoen decided to do was smart. Franchising him retains the Giants rights, puts SB in the top 5 annual salaries for RBs and protects their cap room longer term to either re-negotiate after the season or to move on in another direction. He has the option to hold out and it will hurt the team, but it will only hurt him worse in the long run. Further if he does hold out the team can target short term replacements like Dalvin Cook, Fournette, Elliott, Hunt, Robinson etc who are all free agents looking for a team.
SB is worth more to the Giants in 2023 than 10 mil but it would also be stupid of them to offer more on a long term contract.
Sucks for Barkley but it is what it is for the position he plays.
What is missing for him is that if he loses the $10 mil this year, he would sit out and then sign with someone next year at $6 mil.
What sucks for the Giants- if he sits and they end up not a playoff team, they lose a hell of a lot more than SB does. But that loss doesn't really matter to them as much as it does to SB
Sucks for Barkley but it is what it is for the position he plays.
What is missing for him is that if he loses the $10 mil this year, he would sit out and then sign with someone next year at $6 mil.
What sucks for the Giants- if he sits and they end up not a playoff team, they lose a hell of a lot more than SB does. But that loss doesn't really matter to them as much as it does to SB
3mm to have a shot at post season seems like a good deal. Plus you donāt have to pay him more per year. They just need to guarantee more of it and add incentives.
Yeah - this could easily turn out to be a lose-lose decision. I hear a lot of people making the business case as pretty much a black-and-white issue. However, we are talking sports and fandom. The Giants' fans applauding the tough line on Barkley might be calling for the GM and HC's head if the Giants have a losing season.
Hard to make this comparison, but that $7 million in 1998 would be worth around $30 million today. The 1998 NFL salary cap was 52.4 million while the 2023 salary cap is $225 million.
Surest way to get the least amount of money you can in 2024. You really think teams won't notice this? What do you tell a GM or Coach? "O, I was just half assing it, because I wasn't happy with my pay" That should work well.
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Most Giants fans know they're in cap hell right now. Last year was a complete shock to everyone as most thought 6 wins would be a competent season with this crew of Gettleman rejects. Schoen and Daboll bought themselves some time after last season.
Wrong position at the wrong time - Barkley is screwed and the Giants know it. Sit out a year, and teams will use the 'Le'veon Bell theory' on him - get a short contract and he has another year at a position with very steep diminishing returns or risks injury. He's in a lose/lose. Sorry Saquon I like you, but you probably should have been a QB or a learned to play baseball.
I was being sarcastic. But all joking aside, who can blame him for not wanting to take the extra contact if he doesnāt have a long term contract. Other teams know what he can do if he had a long term contract.
Here is where I think you are missing the point. First, he's not 28; he's 26. He won't be 28 this season or next season. And his productivity last year showed that he seems to be healthy now.
Second, in his last 7 games last year, he averaged 6.8, 5.9, 4.8, 6.0, 4.8, 3.5, and 3.1 yards, caught 29 passes, scored 5 touchdowns, and didn't lose a fumble. Maybe not all-pro stats, but bottom of the league?
Second, the Giants had a weak passing threat last year. Jones has improved and I have hopes that he will continue to do so, but the key to beating the Giants last year was "stop Saquon." And with one of the three or four worst offensive lines in the league, that wasn't a huge task. This, from DJ Siddiqi in Forbes magazine: "With Barkley in the fold, Jones has thrown 44 touchdowns against 17 interceptions for 6.9 yards per attempt and a 91.4 passer rating. Without Barkley not, he has 16 touchdowns versus 17 interceptions for 6.2 yards per attempt and a 77.3 passer rating." What could be clearer? Saquon opens up the offense.
Can they do that with Fournette (668 yards last year, 3.8 ypc) or Elliott (876, 3.8), both of whom are two years older than Saquon? Maybe, but it kinda doesn't look like it. Dalvin Cook, maybe.
I understand that you think that Schoen is playing this cleverly, but I think he is making a big mistake here. He has already offended his best player, and I don't know if he can make that up, but, we'll see.
Saquon is looking for respect, which in pro sports, translates to cash. If he sits out this year, the Giants crash and burn. And then Saquon can sign with a SuperBowl contender, get good money for a couple of years, and retire with more money than he can spend for the rest of his life. It's the kind of screwed most people would buy in for.
Probably not because I would have taken a different QB
The Giants could have had the 2 Josh Allens
āOther teams know what he can do if he had a long term contractā
Really? you canāt be that naive, so your not going to play hard cause your only getting 10 mil. Try it and your on your way out of the league.
Really? you canāt be that naive, so your not going to play hard cause your only getting 10 mil. Try it and your on your way out of the league.
Man- I hate when people look at another person's money and say they have enough...If he sits out a year, he is not coming back at more than $10 mil for someone else and he would have lost a cool $10 mil this year. That is a loss of $10 mil at minimum.
Sure- you may think he comes back next year for a SB contender and still get 7-8 mil per year for lets say 3 years. And hell, he can never spend that money anyway. But it would still be a loss of over $10 mil.
As for the situation- I am ALWAYS a player first person and the NFL, more than any other sport- f's over their players more than anyone else.
But, in this case, SB is now in a lose/lose situation. So, he should come back- prove them completely wrong and still take his 10 mil.
It gets mentioned because it is relevant to the situation. That shouldn't be hard to understand. If Saquon were broke, then yes, tossing $10 million would really hurt him financially. But he isn't. He is beyond financially secure, and although we'd all like $10 million more than we have, for Saquon, it's just a variable in his decision-making process. Thus it gets mentioned.
So Saquon is kinda looking at, "Do I stay with a club I love, but has treated me badly in the way I see it, make my money and never sniff a Super Bowl? Or....do I sit for a year to let this club realize they can't screw me, and then sign with an SB contender and maybe end up making $10 million less over my career?" Well, a factor in that would be how much money he has right now. Simple as.
I don't think he's in a lose/lose situation, but I can see how someone might think that. If he sits, he then has a ton of options. And, if he sits, the Giants are mired in mediocrity for the foreseeable future. I'm hoping the Giants figure out a way to bring something to the table and get him back in the fold.
Agreed! Really hope they sort this out, and come up with more ways to get SB free in the open, where he can be devastating. Maybe they could trade him for Pacheco -- I'd go for that trade!
Look who KC got at RB for 4 yrs @ 3.7m and 80k guaranteed lol.
I like Barkley and consider him one of best modern RBs.
Buit his injury/physical make-up and running style make me apprehensive about his durability.
Just before the draft I remember Carl Banks saying Saquon was one of those heavily muscled guys that has an elevated injury risk.
Saquon twists, spins and jukes around a lot after LOS contact.
That adds exposure to injury,
Saquon is also not a good backfield blocker surprisingly
You really must have a low opinion of what Daboll brings to the table. That or you don't watch much NFL football these days. The Giants were in fact mired in mediocrity (or worse) with Barkley prior to Daboll. He was oft injured and even in his best year they only went 5-11.
You seem to be placing waaay too much value on a position that the entire NFL has already significantly devalued. You can get 2 or 3 guys on your roster for the price of Barkley. While they may not be as good, the team overall will likely be better because it provides critical injury security for a position that gets banged up.
Ps....do you think Barkley is going to play forever at a high level and never get injured? If not, how can you then say "mediocre for the foreseeable future"? Perhaps you think Shoen is a dunce and will never find another RB? Perhaps youbthink Daboll incapable of running an offense without Barkley?
Your indifference to logic is impressive.
Yes, you can get two mediocre running backs for the price of Saquon, and if you are really clever, you could get five incredibly bad running backs - what a bargain that would be. But here's a clue: you can only play one of them at a time.
Do I think Schoen will find another running back? Sure he will. The Giants have just signed two such guys. You think anybody in the NFL is going to be afraid of either one of them? No, because they are mediocre RBs who can be easily contained. Instead, they will focus on Jones, and his numbers will plummet, just as they have over the past four years when SB isn't in the game. Or did you choose to ignore those stats?
Here's what you don't understand: We don't have Mahomes, or Allen, or Burrow, or Hurts, or Hebert at QB. We have Daniel Jones, who ranks in the bottom half of the league. And who we are paying $40 million a year. I happen to like Jones' potential and I think he can develop, but he desperately needs to be paired with someone whom defenses need to focus on, and that is Saquon Barkley.
You can't be serious. That's what it takes to play the most unforgiving position in football. The RB's all sit back and eat junk food all offseason and don't even bother with their health.
Let him sit. Let him take his own risks and see who he can get to sign him in a year and let him lose his $10 mil this year. Giants fans want him because he is valuable to the team (I get it), but he isn't bigger than the organization. They shouldn't be kissing is ***. He should be kissing their's. Too much entitlement for these players who play a game and make boo koo bucks for doing so.
That's how I feel about it. I'm a Steelers fan and saw the Steelers go through this same BS with Le'Veon Bell.