OT: Barkley considering sitting out this season
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Nevermind, I screwed that up. Saquon is not a restricted free agent so I misapplied the rules.
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It seems to be the case that the Giants and SB can continue to negotiate and can reach a contract other than the $10.1 million. It just can't be for more than a year. That is what Mike Florio says:
If this is the case, IMHO, the Giants would be absolutely crazy to not to come to the table, maybe with an incentive package and a promise not to tag him next year. You don't see any "Schon" jerseys at the Meadowlands.
If this is the case, IMHO, the Giants would be absolutely crazy to not to come to the table, maybe with an incentive package and a promise not to tag him next year. You don't see any "Schon" jerseys at the Meadowlands.
"You can't pay everyone" in the era of a hard salary cap. So, management has to decide what direction to go in for today and for the future, and spend accordingly. It's like if your company or unit has a set bonus pool, and come review season you find out your coworker took home the lion's share of it. Guess what...your bonus is probably not going to be as large as you'd like, despite your perceived value to the group. Take it, or take your show on the road.
Bell's production dropped through the floor when he came back with the Jets. But he still got something like $35 million guaranteed from the Jets. I'm sure every RB, including Saquon and his agents, know that. I think Saquon is making the wrong move. But Bell got paid.
In edit: I see now that Saquon took a deal. Good.
I don’t believe that’s how it works since they placed the tag on him this year regardless if he signed it. Interesting question
I believe it would be the 2nd tsg still according to reports.
Also, reports are no restriction on tagging next year is in the contract.
They can still tag him next year but it would be the 2nd tag.
Barkley gets an extra $900K out of this deal with easy to hit incentives if he stays healthy. $2 million up front to come to camp.
Barkley gets an extra $900K out of this deal with easy to hit incentives if he stays healthy. $2 million up front to come to camp.
Bell did. And then got $35mm guaranteed. It's easy to suggest that it would never happen after it didn't happen.
IIRC, Bell's move we criticized since it cost him money. The Jets deal essentially paid the same amount the Steelers were offering. However, he lost out on that year of money for sitting out (and never got that recouped).
True. But even since that time the bottom has dropped out on RB salaries especially on 2nd contracts.
Bell sat out his 2nd tagged year.
Not his 1st.
Despite people bringing up Bell over and over it wasn't a similar situation.
If Barkley sat out - I don't believe he would have been a FA. Giants could have still tagged him for a 2nd time.
Barkley would have had to come back by Week 10 in order to get a year of accrued service so he wouldn't have held out past that. He would have lost a lot of money at that point though.
He still could have been tagged a 2nd time and that still remains on the table.
He still could have been tagged a 2nd time and that still remains on the table.
Well, if he even got the same deal, when he played he wasn't that good anymore. That's the problem with RBs.
I don't think Saquon should have stayed away from camp, and now he's shown that he wasn't going to. But I bet he considered it. And Bell's history might have encouraged him.
Maybe they tag him again, maybe not. I'm simply noting the dead certainty that visited your posts after everything happened.
did you think Barkley would miss games?
Do you think Jacobs will?
There are holdouts every year. And every year the players report and don't miss any games.
There is a reason everyone only ever brings up Bell and Emmit Smith (30 years ago).
Outliers that prove the rule.
I'll say it before Jacobs situation is resolved - he's likley not going to miss games.
Could this be wrong? Sure. Is it likely? Of course not.
3 out of 12 RB holdouts have missed games - going back to 1993.
I would assume it's same for other position holdouts - minimal players actually miss games.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...-skipped-training-camp-and-eventual-outcomes/
Funny how your opinions still come with qualifying language before the event happens. It's natural and reasonable. It also makes my point.
RGIII talking QB salaries. That's rich. And Jones also got paid for using his legs and staying off the IR.
Griffin is a clown anymore. He tweeted something else a while ago that was equally as stupid. No smart team was gonna give Saquon the kind of money his agent was looking for.
All you have to do is look at Jones QB rating over the years. W/O SB making him look good, Jones doesn’t crack the top 20 QB list.
If there was a George Young one back in the day, I might have considered it.
Very glad to see this. Also seems to have happened early enough to get the hard feelings out of the way.
Good for you if you think that Daniel Jones can do what he did last year without Saquan Barkley, which he never did.
I'm really not a big Jones fan at all but the coaching staff had a lot more to do with Jones success than Barkley. In fact I would have let Jones and Barkley walk but I knew that wasn't going to happen. Daboll and Kafka coached their asses off to get both players in a position to succeed.
Well, they got something for it.. obviously. The owners gave them something and the PA gave up this and a deal was made. That's how it works.
You're spot on here - it mystifies me as to how people are making simple Jones / Barkley correlations while leaving out the incredible upgrade NYG got at HC and OC last year. That's the main difference in Jones play.
NYG RBs were middle of the league in yards and yards per carry. Saquon just commanded majority of those carries.
How about honoring the contract you signed? How about that?
SQ might be a great guy, but this is a business and if they can pay a replacement 50% less but his performance is adequate at maybe 10% less and it doesn't affect ability to get 1st downs and scoring much... that's the way to go, right, invest $$$ that results in better performance gain.
Of course, how do you grade this? Is his blocking on passes or the need to cover him resulting in open receivers elsewhere or better QB runs vital? Will SQ's ability to break BIG plays be found to have been vital?
It is all interesting but if SQ cannot get a deal then I have to assume that the Giants analyzed the heck out of this and decided SQ and his agent were asking way too much.
Unfortunately for SQ, fan-favorite status in New York Metro is not as valuable to the Giants as it would be at some club that needs to seel tickets.
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Not sure what this means. If they had agreed a month from now instead, do you think Barkley would not have played as hard. Passed up on TDs or purposely fumbled?
Ps.....per your comments on Jones contract.
Justin Herbert just signed a 5 year extension worth over $52m per season. That bumps Jones down to 12th on the annual QB salary list and soon to be 13th when Burrow's signs again. You called it insane but Jones salary puts him in the 2nd or 3rd QB tier for annual contract value. Seems like Schoen played that right as well.