To defend alcohol while chastising marijuana is really some impressive gymnastics. Illogical, and counter to actual facts, but impressive nonetheless.
OT: Cannabis sales opening up in NJ
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ME: Alcohol is a gateway drug.
SWAIN: Why are you defending alcohol?!?!?
They don't require any reading comprehension skills to get into Rutgers anymore?
You said it’s less harmful despite all statistics stating to the contrary. So yes, you are defending alcohol relative to marijuana.
They taught me how to get high and not become a homeless person, so at least the alma mater still has that going for it. I’m sorry you’re a prude and a hypocrite.
I didn't say it was "less harmful." I said it was less of a gateway drug, which it is.
So being a gateway drug in and of itself isn’t harmful? Again, master logician. If gateway drugs aren’t harmful, then your objection is null.
I wrote this post about 44 hours and over a page of posts ago. I haven't yet read anything that changes my mind:
Yes, there are probably some people who are homeless because they use marijuana. On the other hand, there were plenty of people on Skid Row before marijuana was in widespread use. IIRC, they were called winos. So alcohol has undoubtedly contributed to homelessness at least as much as marijuana. Yes, there's been a surge in homelessness -- but the high co st of housing (especially bad on the West Coast) is a far more substantial cause.
There continues to be a debate about whether marijuana is a gateway to use of more dangerous substances (Let's define a gateway drug as one that leads its user to take something more dangerous.) But alcohol is too -- and alcohol is a more serious gateway problem because there are many more drinkers (even among teens) than pot smokers. BTW, it is not clear that anything is a gateway --people with addictive personalities might well be pursuing more serious drugs even if the gateways didn't exist. (I didn't make that up -- it's in the literature that can be found via google.)
We don't want people driving under the influence of marijuana any more than under the influence of alcohol, and it has been harder to detect those under the influence of the former. But punishing mere possesion is overkill because it punishes so much conduct that isn't dangerous. Moreover, as I posted earlier, a breathalyzer for marijuana does seem in the offing.
Finally, there is the argument that it's easier to bust a dealer for selling marijuana than for selling harder drugs. At most, this is an argument for criminalizing selling, not possession.
You have not shown any increase in homelessness since legalization. That was the position of you and the other prohibitionist. That legalization=homlessness.
I have disproved that homelessness is correlated at all. NJ has way less homelessness than most states for starters including ones with prohibition (frankly probably most of the ones with prohibition).
California legalized marijuana in 2016. You're simply making things up. If you're including medical, it destroys your entire NJ point- we had it since Christie's first term and are still 32 in homelessness.
And also LMAO- NJ has more/better services than NY- unemployment is higher. Free legal services.
And even better, I guess Hawaii is #4 in homelessness because of its proximity to the southern border, LOL.
Nah I get the talking points but after yesterday he may need a new source
One of my favorite things is about these threads is we can see who was never offered to party or join in smoking a joint outside the dorm at RU- if they even went there.
That's probably where a lot of their grievances started.
"Hey, I bet this guy didn't even do drugs in the dorms!!!" is quite the dunk.
A field test for marijuana will be a game changer because, much like the alcohol industry, the MADD women will make life miserable for everyone involved. Of course, it will need to be a test that recognizes THC built-up in the system. Wait until the average recreational pot smoker is screaming bloody murder because he got arrested for DWI (through a push by MADD), not because he had just smoked a joint before driving, but because he smokes every day and it's just built up in his system.
I suppose it is, but it's not what I said. There are lots of things that are harmful that I'm not in favor of banning (including marijuana).
I bet you told on the 18 year olds with beer too. You must have been popular.
And yet, here you are (falsely) claiming it's connected to homelessness in a state with...among the lowest levels of homelessness and way less homeless than those without it.
Yes, those infamous marijuana overdoses.
Marijuana overdoses, they're like Chris Ash signature wins.
When the cloud yellers have no argument against marijuana legalization and realize legalization has been going fine, they start talking about homelessness in other states and fentanyl ODs 
Way to prove the post above yours correct hahahaha
I've grown more compassionate about the homeless in recent years. I think that a lot of the homeless have mental problems and that alchohol, marijuana, drugs, etc are a form of self-medication for their mental illnesses. With rare exceptions, drugs and alchohol are not the reasons for homelessness but the homeless use them to self-medicate.
Way to prove the post above yours correct hahahaha
Where is your proof of anything?
Legalization is a failure. Legalization was supposed to fix all the problems. What is fixed? Tax revenue has fallen short. Homeless is up. Crime is up. Schools are down. OD deaths are way up.
In New Jersey, please show your proof that marijuana legalization - which has without a doubt generated significant tax revenue - has a causal link to issues with homelessness, crime, and - the most ludicrous of all - OD deaths.
I'm concerned about your inability to grasp even the simplest of concepts.
Nobody - literally NOBODY - said "legalization will fix all the problems". Nobody. Find one instance. You can't.
Legalizing marijuana was intended to do ONE thing - it was intended to relieve law enforcement resources of their duty to arrest & prosecute people for personal possession and use of weed. Period. The resulting resource availability was then intended to provide the opportunity to focus on prosecuting remaining illicit substances.
That's it. Very simple. Figure it out.
If you'd like to think of it that way, yes.
So we're back to the same old CE-esque ********.
You made an assertion that differs from the popular perception in this thread. It is not incumbent upon us to prove you wrong. We've provided ample evidence to demonstrate that the burden of proof is on you.
You said that "legalization was supposed to fix everything." You said that many people told us this. Find those people. Prove your point.
All our money is on "you can't."
LOL. Weird, one town in Washington means NJ is a failure.
Literally *NONE* of those are up in NJ. Maybe you meant Texas and Florida?
Not to mention NJ has among the lowest violent crime rate in America, among the lowest in homelessness, and is #1 in schools- way better than the non-freedom states.
Perhaps but I'm not sure that homeless people can afford $60 for the vape cartridge at a NJ dispensary. That's way more than a handle of good vodka.
Hmm. This latest data from the CDC would seem to really put the kabosh on the panic.
They drink less and have sex less too.
Maybe we can ban those too. And some books and classes for good measure.
But gotta leave something for "Reefer Madness" types to self medicate with after the day they had yesterday.
This is because NJ's two largest urban areas are actually located on the other side of the rivers in different states. Take NJ's violent crime statistics ... then add NYC or Philadelphia (or both) and recalculate. The statistics are a mirage because these two cities act as a magnet for NJ's homeless, gangs, drug crime, etc.
This doesn't even make sense.
If anyone is looking for an Indica flower, Gary Payton by Cookies is the best I’ve had since ‘99-01 at RU when I had a hook up. Not much of a head high but complete body and mind relaxation, I’m asleep for the night in about 45 minutes.