I have only seen the water like it was today once in all my years. It was like FLorida…. 74 degrees, turquoise and crystal clear. You could see the bottom at chest high
OT: Coming to a beach near you in NJ and NY
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Must be the windmills pulling that fine clear turquoise water up from Florida.
Yeah, same in AC. I got some great rides in (bodysurfing). And water was the perfect temperature…
Which is what I’ve been saying throughout the thread…
Get to work on the new(er) stuff while we still have the old ways. But don’t shut it off “just because”, do/use both.
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Only insane people want to totally end our current sources immediately or never use new green sources
I would think all sane people think that.
Only insane people want to totally end our current sources immediately or never use new green sources
I’d substitute ”extreme” for insane, and “moderate” for sane, but otherwise agree. It’s an extremist position to say we have to end all use of fossil fuel or nuclear right now. It’s also an extremist position to say cleaner and more sustainable energy development is bad.
The general approach, at least in the US, seems pretty moderate to me, overall. But the media loves to find and report extremes since that lures more clicks/views. Which plays into the hands of politicians who can use such reporting as a wedge issue to get out the vote.
I don’t blame politicians for using a tried and true technique. I do blame the electorate for being so incredibly easy to manipulate, so easy to scare, so easy to outrage and anger. Would be nice if people would figure this out, and calm down.
I’m not holding my breath.
Now if we want to talk about real risks to marine mammals oil spills/accidents are far more deadly than windmills (as are commercial shipping/fishing and oil/gas exploration), as per the report below, looking back at the impacts of the Deepwater Horizon disaster.
https://usa.oceana.org/blog/10-year..., the,the Deepwater Horizon disaster response.
https://usa.oceana.org/blog/10-year..., the,the Deepwater Horizon disaster response.
After the Exxon Valdez I was my Mother’s escort to next Exxon stockholders meeting. They were a lot of protesters with signs and oily rags. She had her mink on and one guy got a little too close so I told him “one more step and you’re going down.” He listened.
Of course they are more deadly, we are just scratching the surface with windmill installations. Time will tell
No, time has already told, as offshore windmills have been in operation for decades without any known issues with regard to marine mammals, as has been discussed.
Not from Maine to FLorida which is the long term goal
Please don't tell me you think the risks will be somehow different off the coast of the US vs. Europe.
OK, don't freak out. The headline appeared in the Asbury Park Press, linked to the Tweet below. Someone's tweet reply was kinda funny. I'm sure someone will not find it funny, but whatever. Maybe someone can post a video of a ship captain getting booed with the same whale meme, which would be more accurate. Hope everyone is happy with the editorial intro.
perhaps a small bird called the Piping Plover will put a stop to all this. Just got this memo from our mayor.... maybe we can all go out and plant nests around the beaches
A day after we learned that the government approved 98 x 900-foot-tall offshore wind turbines carrying 1,100 megawatts of electricity through a transmission line under our beaches and dunes, the state informed us that a single piping plover hatched chicks in the dunes near 16th Street.
We are now required to stop all vehicle traffic on the beach between 14th Street and 19th Street. Trash cans have been removed from the beach and relocated to the beach entrances by the boardwalk, where they must be emptied by hand. The clearing of sand from beach mats is prohibited. Beach-raking is prohibited. Routine beach patrol and police patrols by vehicle are prohibited. Our East Coast Falcons gull abatement program cannot operate in the area.
If you’re going to the beach in the area between 14th and 19th, please be understanding of these restrictions, and please help us maintain the beaches by carrying out all trash.
A day after we learned that the government approved 98 x 900-foot-tall offshore wind turbines carrying 1,100 megawatts of electricity through a transmission line under our beaches and dunes, the state informed us that a single piping plover hatched chicks in the dunes near 16th Street.
We are now required to stop all vehicle traffic on the beach between 14th Street and 19th Street. Trash cans have been removed from the beach and relocated to the beach entrances by the boardwalk, where they must be emptied by hand. The clearing of sand from beach mats is prohibited. Beach-raking is prohibited. Routine beach patrol and police patrols by vehicle are prohibited. Our East Coast Falcons gull abatement program cannot operate in the area.
If you’re going to the beach in the area between 14th and 19th, please be understanding of these restrictions, and please help us maintain the beaches by carrying out all trash.
It's a well-known fact that piping plovers kill whales. So all you recently discovered whale lovers need to get out there and stomp on any PPs you find ASAP.
What @newell138 is talking about is very annoying to beach towns.
It’s not an exaggeration what he italicized.
I read that it is not an annoyance because it might be a tool to stop the project. If the project was never proposed the damn birds would be an annoyance.
perhaps a small bird called the Piping Plover will put a stop to all this. Just got this memo from our mayor.... maybe we can all go out and plant nests around the beaches.
I remember the piping plover battles on Long Island very well. The state charged for parking, charged for 4x4 beach permits, charged for night fishing permits, and then would shut down beach access for months during the summer and the early part of the fall run for those little beach finches. I once watched 90% the parking area for my favorite pier get closed off due to a nesting piping plover pair, only to have a fox destroy the nest and ate the eggs. The lot was still coned off until late September "just in case they returned and laid more eggs".
Are you flipping off the bird?
Heard the local Republican Party mascot will no longer be the elephant, but the piping plover.
The irony can't be missed that they will shut down 2 blocks of beach over a baby bird
No, it's really not. Temperate littoral ecosystems are pretty consistent, no matter which side of the pond they happen to be. The only tangible difference is that the water off the west coast of Europe (including the Channel) is a little cooler than it is here, which has everything to do with the Gulf Stream and latitude.
If you want to be concerned about something, please be concerned about the loss of marine estuary habitat (think Barnegat Bay). This is literally THE most critical of all marine habitats but nobody thinks twice about destroying it, whether it's via development or runoff pollution.
You guys are not well informed I guess because as @rurichdog mentioned this has been going well before anyone ever thought of windmills.
Off the top of my head I can think of two instances have happened the way @rurichdog desecrbed. Sea Girt and Belmar did this and still do it when a Piping Plover decides to nest on their beaches.
So far it hasn’t been an issue in Spring Lake. Or one that you might have heard about.
They fly into the whale's blowholes en-masse and jam them all up so the whales suffocate. It's horrible what those mean little birds do.
Save the whales - stomp on a bird!
Alfred Hitchcock had the right idea. I'm just saying.
Save the whales - stomp on a bird!
Alfred Hitchcock had the right idea. I'm just saying.
The problem is that the car is the only natural predator left for birds, squirrels, deer, etc. and people just aren't driving aggressively enough to take these species out, so I think we need to give every homeowner an AR-15 or two, so we can finally get rid of these varmints and save the whales - and our gardens.
I'm doing my part. I hit what I believe was a hawk (well, actually, it hit me) that was having fun swooping back and forth past the front of my car while I was on a fun high-speed drive a some while back. I guess it misjudged things because, on one of the swoops, there was a sudden thump and it failed to swoop back up again.
And I already have AR-15 style rifles and other weapons with which to eliminate the obviously and significant threat posed by piping plovers, squirrels et. al. to our whale friends and to our very way of life. Alas, much of NJ has persnickety laws about what constitutes a legal discharge of firearms. Some silly thing or another about endangering persons and property.
I mean, what's a little danger to persons or property as compared to unarguable value of eliminating the very clear and present danger presented by these tiny but vile whale-killing creatures? Be totally worth it, if you ask me.
Editorial in today's WSJ, which is behind a paywall. Sections:
"When it comes to green megaprojects, the public is bound to pay up eventually. New Jersey lawmakers nodded to that truth last week after being taken for a billion dollar ride by a Danish energy firm.
Gov. Phil Murphy signed a bill Thursday to grant a major tax break to Orsted....The deal was announced in 2019 with a projected cost of about $1.6 billion.
This year Orsted came back to Trenton with the world's most predictable request: more cash.
New Jersey Democrats responded with bill that offsets a large share of Orsted's costs. The catch is that the relief will come at the direct expense of electricity ratepayers. The bill deletes a previous provision in Ormsted's agreement that required the company to use any federal tax credits it receives to offsets the rates it will charge for the power it generates."
"When it comes to green megaprojects, the public is bound to pay up eventually. New Jersey lawmakers nodded to that truth last week after being taken for a billion dollar ride by a Danish energy firm.
Gov. Phil Murphy signed a bill Thursday to grant a major tax break to Orsted....The deal was announced in 2019 with a projected cost of about $1.6 billion.
This year Orsted came back to Trenton with the world's most predictable request: more cash.
New Jersey Democrats responded with bill that offsets a large share of Orsted's costs. The catch is that the relief will come at the direct expense of electricity ratepayers. The bill deletes a previous provision in Ormsted's agreement that required the company to use any federal tax credits it receives to offsets the rates it will charge for the power it generates."
I heard they hunted them with windmills
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