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inWV

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I'm a vote em out guy. But I believe my armed neighbor has a right to his gun, and feel threatened by his government.
No one likes this,these restrictions,so don't understand acting on extremes, but understand both sides.
When does your neighbor's right become a threat, or an intention to act with his gun in public in a manner harmful to others? Do you support the implicit threat of armed insurrection against officers of the peace? Does assembly of individuals with loaded weapons in order to protest a lawful order constitute such a threat? And what would happen if a crowd of black protesters showed up on the steps of a state capitol with automatic weapons?
 

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When does your neighbor's right become a threat, or an intention to act with his gun in public in a manner harmful to others? Do you support the implicit threat of armed insurrection against officers of the peace? Does assembly of individuals with loaded weapons in order to protest a lawful order constitute such a threat? And what would happen if a crowd of black protesters showed up on the steps of a state capitol with automatic weapons?

Is it a lawful order? What makes it lawful?
 
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Lol, even the administration of the liar-in-chief now states that the number of people who will be dying every day in the U.S. by June 1st will be 3,000, even as they are pushing to lift restrictions:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/04/health/us-coronavirus-monday/index.html

If this seems dangerous, dumb, and wrong, that's because it is.

....the irony of people who promise to leave the board because they get all pissy they weren't able to get others to agree with them, only to come back hours later, referring to somebody else as a liar, cracks me up.
 

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Is it a lawful order? What makes it lawful?
The feds issued a 50 state national emergency. The pandemic gives states a compelling state purpose in the imposition of restrictions to protect the public. These can be challenged in a court of law. But until a court with controlling authority (likely in this case, SCOTUS) rules otherwise, the orders are lawful.
 

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I don't wear a mask when I go to stores. What good does it do if I don't cough or sneeze and stay away from other people?

C'mon people. The mask is to protect others, not yourself. It's been shown that just breathing can shed the virus. The mask prevents that to a large degree.
 

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You do you...stay home for the rest of your life for all I care...but I've been way more accurate about this than the sky screamers who said we were all going to die, and in fact, I think people still acting that's going to happen look very silly and part of me wonders if they're rooting for it just so they can eventually say they were right.

You're not even remotely accurate. You look woefully uneducated on the topic, to be quite honest.

How about instead of looking silly, how about you listen to what science says. And science says wear a mask! Those of us that understand why we wear masks would greatly appreciate you not being part of killing more people. OK?
 

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When does your neighbor's right become a threat, or an intention to act with his gun in public in a manner harmful to others? Do you support the implicit threat of armed insurrection against officers of the peace? Does assembly of individuals with loaded weapons in order to protest a lawful order constitute such a threat? And what would happen if a crowd of black protesters showed up on the steps of a state capitol with automatic weapons?
When the gun is drawn on someone. Period.
Sure, it's an eye opener, not denying that, and to casually open carry has its moments, don't live in michigan, can buy seeds for my garden, so I don't fully understand why the high response.

But,they have a right to do so. If it gets much worse there, I might be swayed to think it's not an overplay of peoples rights.right now? I think it was, but it was their right to do so.
 

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When the gun is drawn on someone. Period.
Sure, it's an eye opener, not denying that, and to casually open carry has its moments, don't live in michigan, can buy seeds for my garden, so I don't fully understand why the high response.

But,they have a right to do so. If it gets much worse there, I might be swayed to think it's not an overplay of peoples rights.right now? I think it was, but it was their right to do so.

Like I said, these "rallies" are due to social media groups that push these things to the point where people go do something. They are funded by wealthy organizations/individuals specifically to push a crazy agenda that yields them more money. They are not legitimate.
 
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You're not even remotely accurate. You look woefully uneducated on the topic, to be quite honest.

How about instead of looking silly, how about you listen to what science says. And science says wear a mask! Those of us that understand why we wear masks would greatly appreciate you not being part of killing more people. OK?


Hard pass.
 

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Englands bobbies dont carry,or none used to. In this scenario, since its people can't have guns,unless under heavy approval,hoop jumping, and money spent, it's perceived as an even ground scenario.

No bobbies going to kill a few people by hand, with a public fighting back.

However, our guys do carry, so do we. Imagine if they opened fire on the public? The blm and other scenarios come to mind real quick,when we can't carry. Worse,when it happens.

The black panthers did the same in san frans city hall. No shots were fired, but it put certain things front and center. No one liked it, but when our government ignores us, over or under steps its bounds or resposibilities, the people wont wait at times to vote em out, but remind them who's in charge.
 

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It's more like this.

Anyone that doesn't want to wear a mask should attend these...and not just hold hands. How about swapping spit? How about breath in each other's faces too. That should take care of the ignorant element pretty quickly.
 

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Hard pass on the mask? That's what uneducated yokels do. Ignorance truly is bliss.

Old, old playbook.

Imposition of the common good under authoritarian rule and dictatorship

First steps:
  • Through divine insight or scientific analysis (e.g. Marxism–Leninism) the common good can be objectively defined.
  • Only the ruling elite is capable of doing so.
  • The "common good" justifies any means, including force, to overcome resistance and opposition.
  • Critics of the "common good" or the ruling elite are denounced as enemies.
As things progress:
  • Groups or individuals promoting an alternative or articulating criticism are silenced.
  • The right to participation is granted only to supporters of the regime. (i.e. only certain groups are allowed to hold demonstrations)
  • Media are censored. The ruler decides what problems, interests or goals are admitted to the political agenda.
Final progression:
  • Consent is enforced and predefined by the ruler.
  • Controversy is considered disharmonious and dangerous, as it is difficult to control.
 

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Like I said, these "rallies" are due to social media groups that push these things to the point where people go do something. They are funded by wealthy organizations/individuals specifically to push a crazy agenda that yields them more money. They are not legitimate.
If you've owned a business, you'd understand what it takes to expose yourself this way. There were many business owners out there.
So, think what you will, but this is far deeper than you're giving it.
 
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Anyone that doesn't want to wear a mask should attend these...and not just hold hands. How about swapping spit? How about breath in each other's faces too. That should take care of the ignorant element pretty quickly.

I attended a bonfire party Saturday night and made out with my girlfriend...sorry that I didn't die. I'll try harder next time.
 

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Anyone that doesn't want to wear a mask should attend these...and not just hold hands. How about swapping spit? How about breath in each other's faces too. That should take care of the ignorant element pretty quickly.
The defense of the idiotic behavior concerning Covid is quite puzzling on this board. Would think all would be taking relevant precautions so that football can return to Memorial this fall. I would think that would be the hope for all of us. And I don't mean "stay home and cower and fear". Rather, don't be an idiot in public and respect the biology of the virus. But ignoring health professionals to "own the libs" seems to be the order of the day for some.
 

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The feds issued a 50 state national emergency. The pandemic gives states a compelling state purpose in the imposition of restrictions to protect the public. These can be challenged in a court of law. But until a court with controlling authority (likely in this case, SCOTUS) rules otherwise, the orders are lawful.

Possibly, but a lot of grey area there. It's interesting because this really hasn't been an issue, but a lot of these orders are walking the tight rope of following the Constitution. The biggest part is a lot of these governors are showing no flexibility even as this pandemic changes. As I stated earlier, why are they still trying to shut down beaches when the new data points that sunlight and temperature may help kill the virus quicker? People are being responsible and keeping distance from each other yet this is shut down, but yet Home Depot can be filled to the gills?
 

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It's true there is an issue with many people being asymptomatic. It is not true that there are "multiple strains." There is only one novel coronavirus, and it is behaving in pretty typical ways so far.

It's odd that nearly 400 positive tests (active infections, not antibody tests) in the same location yielded zero symptoms, any way you cut it.

Current estimates: supposedly 25-50% are asymptomatic. So there should have been hundreds with symptoms. Yes, some people will "fake" it but hundreds aren't going to be able to.

Either it's a different strain, or the asymptomatic % is one hell of a lot higher than estimated. Or they ran a bunch of invalid tests.
 

inWV

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Possibly, but a lot of grey area there. It's interesting because this really hasn't been an issue, but a lot of these orders are walking the tight rope of following the Constitution. The biggest part is a lot of these governors are showing no flexibility even as this pandemic changes. As I stated earlier, why are they still trying to shut down beaches when the new data points that sunlight and temperature may help kill the virus quicker? People are being responsible and keeping distance from each other yet this is shut down, but yet Home Depot can be filled to the gills?
The orders can be challenged in court. And people are not banished to their homes. As far as people being responsible, mileage may vary. Big box stores where I'm at established restricted numbers of shoppers that could be in the store. If everyone (or at least most people) behaved in ways suggested by health professionals, actually listened to advice based upon expertise and acted on that, the country could emerge from phase one of this with the least amount of medical carnage. Social distance, wash hands, wear facial covering, limit routine contact with a number of individuals and simply be smart about things. You want meat in our stores? Demand adequate safety measures for packing plant workers.
The problem is that too many people have committed themselves to half measures and get pissed off when told that it isn't enough. In reality, this was going to be a wait until Memorial Day thing and then progress from there. But the demand by a minority of the citizens to take a short cut will probably mean this thing burns at a barely acceptable level through the summer, and all of the things people want (school and university openings, stadium attendance, concerts, etc) will not happen.
 
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The sooner we open the country back up and let this thing run it's course the sooner we can put it behind us. So I'm just doing my part to help that happen. I'll be damned in I'm going to buy into something with a fraction of a percent for a kill rate as a reason to upset our entire society. #shithappens
 

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It's odd that nearly 400 positive tests (active infections, not antibody tests) in the same location yielded zero symptoms, any way you cut it.

Current estimates: supposedly 25-50% are asymptomatic. So there should have been hundreds with symptoms. Yes, some people will "fake" it but hundreds aren't going to be able to.

Either it's a different strain, or the asymptomatic % is one hell of a lot higher than estimated. Or they ran a bunch of invalid tests.
Trying to track these answers down in real time in a way that passes muster for peer review isn't easy. People are making claims about asymptomatic numbers based upon a few surveys. The truth is we know those cases exist, but the multiplier factor is a hypothetical and even that will vary by geographic region.
Too many people with too little info and base level knowledge trying to cherry pick data to prove their pet hypothesis.
 

inWV

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The sooner we open the country back up and let this thing run it's course the sooner we can put it behind us. So I'm just doing my part to help that happen. I'll be damned in I'm going to buy into something with a fraction of a percent for a kill rate as a reason to upset our entire society. #shithappens
Good to see you are doing your part to challenge the capacity of our critical care systems. And of course you are the one that is pretty sure that you won't just slip away from life alone with a tube stuck down your throat.
 

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The is beyond excellent. I think some of the toddlers on this site should take note.
 

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Good to see you are doing your part to challenge the capacity of our critical care systems. And of course you are the one that is pretty sure that you won't just slip away from life alone with a tube stuck down your throat.

Everyone's teflon...until one of their loved ones contracts the virus. One of the best things that could happen to this country is that the leaders have a close family member contract this virus and end up on a vent. Perspective goes a long way.
 
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Good to see you are doing your part to challenge the capacity of our critical care systems. And of course you are the one that is pretty sure that you won't just slip away from life alone with a tube stuck down your throat.

You're welcome...and i'm well aware i'm going to die someday. Who knows where or how, in all honesty my money is in a cycling accident as I've been hit by cars no less than 3 times...yet here I am....and I still ride a bike almost every day...but you do you. Stay home forever, and watch me not care or call you names for it.
 

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I like to have sex before we leave for the evening.....if it happens again great, but we ended up getting home so late and had enough wine, i was pretty glad to just get up to bed and fall asleep!!!

You're a bird of a different color, lightspeed, but I generally like you. But didn't we leave telling stories of our sex life behind when we graduated from high school?
 

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You're welcome...and i'm well aware i'm going to die someday. Who knows where or how, in all honesty my money is in a cycling accident as I've been hit by cars no less than 3 times...yet here I am....and I still ride a bike almost every day...but you do you. Stay home forever, and watch me not care or call you names for it.

So...it doesn't bother you that you are increasing the likelihood of not just you contracting this virus, but also putting someone else's life in danger too?

So...Tom Nichols is referencing you as being one of the toddlers above. You're OK being one of the toddlers, screaming in the abyss that it's your right to infect others? It must be why you are referencing having sex with a girl you supposedly care about in a public forum. That's what toddlers do.
 

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So...it doesn't bother you that you are increasing the likelihood of not just you contracting this virus, but also putting someone else's life in danger too?

So...Tom Nichols is referencing you as being one of the toddlers above. You're OK being one of the toddlers, screaming in the abyss that it's your right to infect others? It must be why you are referencing having sex with a girl you supposedly care about in a public forum. That's what toddlers do.

My toddlers weren't having sex anywhere. That I was aware of, anyhow.
 
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So...it doesn't bother you that you are increasing the likelihood of not just you contracting this virus, but also putting someone else's life in danger too?

So...Tom Nichols is referencing you as being one of the toddlers above. You're OK being one of the toddlers, screaming in the abyss that it's your right to infect others? It must be why you are referencing having sex with a girl you supposedly care about in a public forum. That's what toddlers do.

I'm well aware he was calling me a toddler. I just chose not to care, same for when you just did it. Stay safe, and hopefully we can get back to talkin football someday soon.
 
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