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jwbigcreek

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Going to see a lawyer tomorrow. Hoping to get uncontested (wife's idea but I'm sick of her ***, too). I have no problem paying child support (only one left at home) or alimony (well, actually I hate it, but will abide by normal standards of state of AL). Splitting most of assets (damn, that hurts since she didn't earn any of them). Don't mind agreeing to paying my son's college (in-state school stipulation & all that jazz) & keeping him on my health insurance. She hasn't lawyered up yet, but I suspect she will just to study any proposed settlement.

Any generic or specific advice? Anything I need to watch out for? I worked a lot of OT last year that is probably going to be greatly reduced this year (could really suck). Never been down this road before (so far it sucks). Maybe RCD & I can be the old creepy divorced dudes at local MSU gatherings.
 

Railin Jemmye

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Fight back. Don't be one of those chumps that gets taken for everything, because he thinks he's going to win his wife back although she's already bouncing on some other guy's cock. Sounds like you're already giving up most of your **** already. Don't do it. If she wants out, make her pay. Don't feel sorry for her.
 

archdog

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Fight back. Don't be one of those chumps that gets taken for everything, because he thinks he's going to win his wife back although she's already bouncing on some other guy's cock. Sounds like you're already giving up most of your **** already. Don't do it. If she wants out, make her pay. Don't feel sorry for her.

Yeah. Be a dick about this. This Guy knows exactly what he is talking about. Make sure your kids hate you before its over too. Atleast make sure they can't trust you anymore and by taking everything from your wife. She can have the money but you deserve some sexual payments.

My dad did the best thing. Sold everything to his brother for 20 bucks. Took half of everything that was left. Once he sold the house, he declared bankruptcy. That's the way you win.
 

MSUDawg4Life

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1. Get the best lawyer you can. Follow his advice.
2. Stop hoping for uncontested divorce. Not gonna happen.
3. When all is said and done, do all you can to keep and build strong relationships with your children. In my opinion, this is more important than anything else.

Good luck.
 

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What MSUDawg4Life said, and be ready to give her half of your retirement that you will have to pay in a short amount of time.
 

Coach34

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Get everything in writing and dont assume its going to be all roses and good faith.

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She wants to go her way- then let her. Starting today- make sure you take care of you.
 

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I hate it for you man. I haven't been down this road (yet) but I can imagine you going through a lot of hell. You are a stronger man than me.

I don't think alimony is a given anymore. I have friends that recently got diviorced and the wife wanted it but the husband didn't have to pay it because there was absoluterly no reason the wife couldn't work. They didn't have children. She was princessed her whole life and was raised to think she was above it. Alimony can also mess with any future relationship you get involved in because women, thinking like women think, will be resentful of you paying another woman to sit on her *** at home.
 
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patdog

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As others have said, don't make the mistake of being too nice like I did. Child support is a given and you're right to be happy paying that. In MS it's 14% of take home pay for 1 child. You'll have to divide assets too. But there's no reason in this world for you to pay alimony unless your wife doesn't work. Get a good lawyer and follow his advice. Ask people you know who have been through this for recommendations. Remember you will pay for any mistakes now for a long time. Be fair as long as she is but protect yourself. Get a good lawyer. Good luck.
 

Dogariffic

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Totally agree.
Times are changing for guys....for the better. Women are not automatically thought of as "better parents" to raise kids. More dads pay no child support at all as kids now live 50/50 with each parent.....same with all expenses moving forward.
You get what you negotiate. Not what anyone gives you.
Now if you believe your ex deserves half of your stuff and you seeing your kids only every other weekend..she living in your house with your stuff then bend over. Otherwise tell your attorney you give in on nothing.
I can tell you...fact...the one who loses is the one who gives up first. Also the one who wants out the most. If she wants out she will negotiate to give you what you want. Use that against her.Win now and protect yourself.....make up with her later and be friends if you want....but from a position of strenght.
 

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From one old creepy guy to another....I hope you don't get one particular local Judge with a history of not being friendly to ex-husbands. Anecdotal stories from others of my acquaintance....also, he represented my first ex-wife when he was just a lawyer. I got my old friend, the late Dea Thomas to represent me; fortunately, it was rather clean.
My other divorce from the mother of our kids, was also rather seamless....she just wanted to get out quickly, to marry my replacement. We had joint custody, no child support, no alimony, no sharing of retirement benefits, equal division of home equity, and a schedule for furniture, cars and other crap.
I recommend that you get a lawyer who will be a strong advocate for your interest. The first time I went down that path, an old Huntsville friend who was a circuit judge at the time (I won't mention his name, but he's a MS native) warned me that in Alabama, the court seems to be biased in favor of the wife/mother.
I've been involved with the Divorce Care group at church for the past few years, and I've heard many stories....some of them pretty daunting and discouraging. If there's any way you can keep the split as amicable as possible, that is of course the best way to go. We should probably talk.
 
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jwbigcreek

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Thanks all for the advice. Got no problem keeping the kid up & spect I will have to split retirement. We'll see about the alimony. She works a part-time, low-paying job. She ain't got another man (yet). She's too damn crazy right now. Had a counselor telling me about his own troubles one time (with ex). He said, "That damn woman was crazier than I was. I had to get out of that." I know how he feels.
 

jeremyrbrown

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Probably won't like this advice: Stay married. Forgive whatever wrongs have been done and try harder. It'll be better for your kid. It won't be easy but, you'll be happier in the long run. And it's the Biblical thing to do.
 

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Ok I'm going to chime in here

Ok, I think everyone's else comments are spot on. Now, I'll add my own experience for free. Do not move out of the house. Do whatever it takes to stay there until that has been settled. Why? You leave, its considered abandonment. Its creepy and sucks, but realize that.
Do not take anything for granted. Just because you think common sense would prevail, don't count on it. My crazy *** ex was making 5x my salary and almost torched me because the judge was almost as crazy.
Save every shred of written correspondence. I got divorced in 2000, still have every email. When she took me back wanting more money (remember, she was making 5x, >$300,000/yr), judge still sided with her. Ex tried to have a court order who I could date, the girl I was seeing (this was 3 years post divorce, no I was not unfaithful she was) was actually someone she introduced me to. I made the ex read her email stating how wonderful this person was and that she actually wanted me to see her. That stopped that crap dead in its tracks.
Be prepared to find out who your friends really are. Be prepared for the weirdest crap you can imagine. I got a 0100 phone call from the ex wanting to know if I was following her. I told her to hang up and call 911. Turns out one of her guys she was dating was stalking her.
To give you an idea just how wild of a ride I had, after the divorce, she was going around telling the kids and everyone who would listen, she was afraid I was going to kill her. I finally had enough of this crap so I called her up. Here is how the conversation went:
Me: Stop telling everyone I'm going to kill you.
Her: Well I'm afraid you will.
Me: Ok, let me put it to you this way.You know I deer hunt, right?
Her: Yes
Me: Ok, I routinely shoot deer in the head at 200yrds with my 7mm mag. Do you think there is any place around here that if I didn't want to blow your head clean off your shoulders I couldn't do it?
Her: No
Me: Let me tell you why I'm not going to do it, because I'm not going to jail over your sorry ***. Its not worth it to me.

Never heard anymore of that crap.

Be prepared for your kids to be totally 17up. Nothing you can do except remain steady and use common sense. Sorry, but that is just the way it is. Maybe in about 30 years they will turn out ok. I'm still waiting on 1, the other is coming around. I've got a great counselor that is worth his weight in gold that has got me through the low times.
The sun will rise tomorrow and so will you, don't forget that.

Oh and 1 more thing. Make a bucket list of everyone you know that you wanted to knock the bottom out of. And then do it.
I had known this one for about 15 years, in the end, it was worth the wait.
 

Railin Jemmye

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See, here's the problem with this advice: His wife wants out, can't make her stay. So, you HAVE to lawyer up and make her pay for whatever damage she will cause by leaving. So in essence, he is staying, but SHE is going. You absolutely CANNOT let her run wild and do whatever she wants, women already do too much of that chance. There has to be consequences for her actions.
 

Railin Jemmye

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& spect I will have to split retirement. We'll see about the alimony.

Why? Don't concede that ****, man.

She ain't got another man (yet). She's too damn crazy right now. Had a counselor telling me about his own troubles one time (with ex). He said, "That damn woman was crazier than I was. I had to get out of that." I know how he feels.

Don't fall for the counseling psychobabble. Women branch swing, pal. They don't leave unless they have something else lined up. Accept that.
 

Railin Jemmye

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^^ This ^^

....shows you have crazy and conniving bitches can be. And they'll make themselves believe this **** too, and tell everybody they know. They can talk themselves into anything and people believe it because she's got a *****.

To give you an idea just how wild of a ride I had, after the divorce, she was going around telling the kids and everyone who would listen, she was afraid I was going to kill her. I finally had enough of this crap so I called her up. Here is how the conversation went:
Me: Stop telling everyone I'm going to kill you.
Her: Well I'm afraid you will.
 

jeremyrbrown

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I'd try to talk her into getting some marriage counseling from somewhere else. Not trying to be funny, but I wouldn't feel good about talking to a counselor who has an ex. I'd want counsel from someone who has stayed married.
 

patdog

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That's not always the best option. Sometimes, it's not even an option at all. You really can't understand unless you've been there. Trust me on this.
 

Railin Jemmye

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Not funny, that's sound advice, I'm with you there. Give her a chance to stay (especially with kids involved) but if she is just dead set on leaving, tell her to GTFO but I'm keeping everything. And have the balls to enforce it.
 

jeremyrbrown

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Maybe not always the easy option. I haven't been there. But it's my honest advice. If I were in the same situation, it would be tough. But I hope someone would give me the same advice.
 

patdog

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Again. Trust me. You really don't have any idea what you are talking about.
 

Railin Jemmye

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He's almost approaching it from the perspective that the dude is the one wanting to leave. Which happens about 5% of the time.
 

jeremyrbrown

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Not really looking at it from one side or the other. I just think that rather than looking for advice on how to get divorced, people should be looking for advice on how to stay married. That's not directed at any one individual, but society as a whole. And I do look at it from a Biblical perspective. Most people in the south get married into a church by a pastor. They, whether intentionally or by tradition alone, make God a part of their wedding. Why then ignore what He says when it comes to divorce? I'm not trying to start some sort of religious argument or anything. I read this guy's post last night and thought about replying then, but didn't want to offend anyone. But today I felt like if there's some miniscule chance that I can give some helpful advice, it's worth it.

The situation may get to the point, or it might already be to the point, that it's out of his hands. If that's the case, I agree about all the legal stuff. But maybe it isn't.
 

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....shows you have crazy and conniving bitches can be. And they'll make themselves believe this **** too, and tell everybody they know. They can talk themselves into anything and people believe it because she's got a *****.

This little blurb descibes my ex wifes delutions perfectly.
My divorce, while emotionally painful, was pretty easy. She wanted out so she could be with the guy she was cheating on me with. She (her mom) paid for everything and it was QUICK. I have no advice because I dont really remember anything about it even though it wasnt all that long ago (2002). I just didnt have much to do with it. She told me on our second aniversary that she wasnt happy and wanted a divorce... I was hurt, angry, sad... The whole gamet of expected emotions... I acted a fool, but gathered myself and left. 60ish days later she called wanting to talk... She "made a mistake and didnt want to go through with the divorce." "want you back" that whole thing. Our court date was the next day but she "was going to cancel the whole thing." The next morning I woke up happy thinking all was going to be alright, then I got a call at 9am. It was her telling me that it was over and final. I was devistated. I married my childhood sweetheart but couldnt make it last longer than two years.

Anyway... No kids, no wealth to split... It just ended.
I moved on... As I understand it, my divorce was NOT atypical. It isnt usually as "easy" as it was for me. Kids/money/possesion tend to muddy the waters. I have no advice, just my story. I wish you the best.
 

Railin Jemmye

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I completely agree, with all that. Without the Biblical perspective, there is no reason for marriage, put simply. That's hard for many to understand because western society says you 'should' get married.

But your advice would be good for engagements and newlyweds, or during a marriage well before any divorce talk begins.
 

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Get it done quick. The longer it drags out, the worse it gets.

You are in the right spot mentally on the child support and it is unavoidable so don't be an *** over it.

The most important thing to remember is that with the kid, you 'll still have to deal with her on a regular basis so keep that in mind going forward. If the divorce is a complete battle, it will take years to be able to deal with each other on business and parenting stuff and you'll have to do that. So whatever you fight for, it needs to be worth it. I'm not saying roll over, but do assess the importance of what you are fighting over.

Keep in mind that your divorce settlement exists for when things aren't going well. Meaning that you can operate outside the bounds of it if everyone is cool, but that document rules the day when it isn't. So don't let anything go in that that you won't tolerate at the worst of times.
 

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Identify the best divorce lawyers in your area...

Sit down for a consult with as many as you can before she does.
 

Maroon&Black

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Trying to give up nothing is as bad as trying to get everything. Ask your attorney to get you a fair and just settlement. No more or less.
 

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I'll go ahead and share my experience. Nafoomer's and Rant'ers of the OM persuasion are trying to get some ******** rumor started that I left Mississippi for Louisiana over some crap I did at school. No- I left due to my marriage falling apart and being tired of coaching in small town Mississippi- here's my story.

I was not a very good husband. I'm a sports nut who worked 70 hrs a week as a coach and then liked a to have a few drinks and watch sports on the weekend. I had cheated on my wife a few times- but only got caught once (with a 22 yr old teacher in 1999). My wife decided she wanted to work things out after that, we had 1 kid, and I straightened up. We had our 2nd child 2 years after and I thought our marriage was getting better and I was certainly doing a better job of being a husband- yet still worked all the time.

Summer, 2003- I get the suspicion my wife is cheating. We had been together 12 years- and I just knew something wasnt right. But I was having to be at the school for weight workouts, summer baseball, cutting grass, etc....and couldnt really investigate too much.

August, 2003- we go off to camp for football. I talk to my fellow coaches and they told me I was crazy. She would never do that, blah blah blah. She had 2 kids to keep up with, never went out at night-when would she have the time?

September, 2003- season starts and we are pretty good. I'm the OC, we have a 1st yr QB that can throw it- but the HC just wants to be simple, run the ball, and rely on our D. I want to go to the Spread full-time and use our speed. He and I are butting heads constantly. I'm also 100% sure my wife is cheating but I cant prove it. I'm not sleeping at night, not eating, losing my hair- I'm just a miserable mf'er.

October 2003- we finished Sept undefeated and are now ranked. We have a big showdown coming up with another undefeated team and I'm thinking I may have an ulcer. I know she is cheating, but how in the hell can I prove it? Couldnt afford a P.I. And then I get the idea of ideas. I had read an article on DNA testing back in August- found a place that did it- and asked if they could test clothing. DNA testing wasnt as prevelant 10 yrs ago as it is now remember. They said they could. I found some suspicious underwear of hers in the hamper and confiscated them. The big Friday comes, and a guy came and took my blood and her panties. That night we lost the big showdown thanks to 5 fumbles, HC and I have a shouting match, and I am probably the most miserable person on planet Earth that night.

2 weeks later, I get the DNA results back and as I suspected- she's cheating. The guy calls me with this info at 5:15 on Friday- we are kicking off at 7:30. It was actually easier finally knowing. Thank God for football. I put all that out of my mind and after being down 29-7 at half, the offense led a big comeback in the 2nd half thanks to us to the Spread full-time- and we won 36-33.

Confront her and she is floored that I found out. She was leaving work during the day to meet the guy (her job allowed her that freedom). After a week of fighting and whatnot- she wants to work it out for the kids. I agree to try after all the stuff I had done- I felt I owed my kids that much. The condition was that I couldnt confront the guy. I couldnt handle that- and actually knew the guys wife- and I told her. She kicks me out and I move in with a coaching buddy for week. Then she decides she wants to work it out and wants me back home.

November, 2003- We are trying but it's obvious her heart isnt in it. Thanksgiving comes and we are out of school for a week- so I'm with her 24/7. And I can tell she is getting antzy. Long story short- I caught them meeting again. They both drive away in opposite directions. I end up confronting my wife at Taco Bell and throwing her keys on top of the building- and now she cant get back to work. I then drive to tell the guys wife they are meeting again- and that he is going "to have to deal with me. I gave him a one free pass"

The guy calls me in front of his wife saying that I'm lying, he didnt meet with my wife, etc...cussing at me. I said- "You're gonna have to deal with me". He replied those famous words "well you come on down here Hoss, I got something for your ***"

December, 2003- I waited a week and let all this marinate. Then rounded up 2 of my coaches and went to see the guy. I walked right into his office and I proceeded to beat his *** in front of a Grenada judge- thru it all I'm hollering "You got something for meeeee....you got something for meeee". My coaches were keeping everybody else out of his office to let me have my time- but finally this guy that was about 6'5-300 bear hugged me from behind and dragged me out of there...They called the police and we loaded up and got out of there after a Soprano-style beating. I went back to the school- I had to run the clock for the basketball games. They were waiting on me to start the JV game- I had to go wash the blood off my hands first. The basketball coach loves telling that story. A buddy told me he saw the guy 4-5 days later- his face was still purple.

I was told about a coaching job in Shreve thru a friend- called them, interviewed, and got the job- all in about a week. Great program with a parent problem that needed to be straightened out. Decided it was time for me to make some life changes.

Ol boy was gonna sue me for injuries and damages to his office- but my lawyer talked him down- had to pay about $700 of his doctor bills- but it was money well spent.

Got divorced, drank too much, and went thru a helluva lot of women for about 3 years. Changed careers. May have made a mistake by moving away from my children, but life doesnt have a rewind button. Coaching requires moving

JW- dont make any rash decisions, think things thru and LISTEN to you lawyer. Dont concede anything you dont have to because life goes on without her- and those decisions affect the new people in your life.
 
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One thing I haven't seen from anyone- the only ones who win in a drawn out divorce are the lawyers. My ex and I made it a point not to buy their kids a new BMW. IF- IF- you can work out a "fair" deal between you don't let the lawyers 17 it up. We were able to, but her lawyer was always trying to cause a rift and drag it out so (the lawyers) would get paid more. Be level headed and try not to let emotion lead you (it's hard). I got more from my ex being nice than being a hard ***.

Also with older kids it may not matter as much to you- but your kids may not like their parents apart, but they'll like it even less if you're at each others throats. My little girl thinks its awesome that she has 2 homes, 2 rooms, 2 sets of toys, and a mom and dad who can still function around each other. That is worth everything to me.

Lastly I'm with patdog- you cannot make someone love you. I admire the convictions of those who live their life through the Bible, but when someone has their mind made up, nothing is going to change it. And forcing it only leads to resentment... We were miserable for the 4 months we tried to work it out. Things were so much better after accepting it.
 

dorndawg

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Dude, she wants to leave. The harder he tries to make it work, the more she's gonna want to leave. Bottom line, 95% of the time.
 

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You need to get completely unentangled with her as quickly as possible. You need to fight harder on alimony. If you have to pay it, fight hard to make it lump sum or temporary (not sure Alabama does it this way). And this will probably sound ******, but I would never agree to pay the son's college. You wouldn't be required to pay for it if you were married, why should you be required to pay it becuase you're divorced. Certainly pay it if you can afford and want to, but there is no reason to extend the term of a divorce settlement for that. You're not divorcing your son and you shouldn't need a court order to continue being his father. The only caveat I'd have is that if you take this position in front of a judge, it might sour him/her on you.

For a little more specific advice, don't let her take anything with a note on it that you are on. If she can't get it refinanced in her name, sell that **** and split the money, or pay it off and then count it towards her half of the assets. Otherwise you will end up taking the hit on your credit when she stops paying and you will be the one the creditors come after. Maybe most important, and this is hard because sometimes judges are completely unrealistic, but you need to try to be as clear as possible with her that neither one of you is going to get to maintain the same lifestyle (assuming you're not just loaded). It's not realistic to expect to split into two households and for each separate household live the same as before. You both should be taking a hit to your standard of living. If she's not, that just means you're getting hammered. And that means your kids are going to feel it also. Don't make the mistake of thinking you're going to make it easy on her to make things easy on the kids. This is not going to be easy for the kids; don't screw yourself because you have this delusion that this is not going to be hard on your kids in all kinds of ways. You'll be in a lot better position to help your kids if you make sure you don't end up bitter because you're working your *** off while she sits on the couch, and she's using your money to spoil your kids but you can't afford to give them **** because it's all you can do to meet your child support and alimony payments. You are no longer partners, you are no longer on the same team, you are adversaries. Doesn't mean you can't be civil and fair, but don't be a dubmass. She is not looking out for your best interests. you need to look after them so that you can also look after your kids' interests.
 

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Whatever you do, don't do this....

I know a guy that did exactly this. He sat down with 5 different divorce lawyers and had no intention of hiring any of them. He simply wanted to make sure that his wife couldn't hire one.

One of the attorneys he met with realized it pretty quickly especially when the wife called him and stated that he was the 5th lawyer that had told her that her husband had sat down with him.

Well the lawyer realized what the guy was doing, took the wife as a client, when the husband objected claiming conflict, the attorney was ready with case law that established that since the husband had no intention of hiring him as an attorney and that he was simply trying to disqualify as many attorneys as he could that there was relationship that was formed since he went into it solely to disqualify him.

The Judge agreed with the wife's attorney, let him represent her and the Judge destroyed the husband because the Judge didn't believe a single thing the husband said based on his actions on trying to screw the wife out of being able to hire a lawyer.


On a side note, this is just a depressing as **** thread. I really hope everyone that is chiming in with advice doesn't have kids because if you do, please put all the petty **** aside and do everything you can to make sure your kids aren't screwed up by a divorce.
 

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I do know what I'm talking about, and I agree with jeremy. If it can be avoided, it should be. It's a nightmare, not just while it's happening, but permanently if there are children involved.
 

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I know a guy that did exactly this. He sat down with 5 different divorce lawyers and had no intention of hiring any of them. He simply wanted to make sure that his wife couldn't hire one.

One of the attorneys he met with realized it pretty quickly especially when the wife called him and stated that he was the 5th lawyer that had told her that her husband had sat down with him.

Well the lawyer realized what the guy was doing, took the wife as a client, when the husband objected claiming conflict, the attorney was ready with case law that established that since the husband had no intention of hiring him as an attorney and that he was simply trying to disqualify as many attorneys as he could that there was relationship that was formed since he went into it solely to disqualify him.

The Judge agreed with the wife's attorney, let him represent her and the Judge destroyed the husband because the Judge didn't believe a single thing the husband said based on his actions on trying to screw the wife out of being able to hire a lawyer.


On a side note, this is just a depressing as **** thread. I really hope everyone that is chiming in with advice doesn't have kids because if you do, please put all the petty **** aside and do everything you can to make sure your kids aren't screwed up by a divorce.

That's the major thing. It's not the kids' fault.
 
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