OT: Egg price update

leeinator

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Fox News showing thousands of chickens roaming the countryside after the Tylertown tornado blew up a bunch of chicken coups. Sounds like egg prices could go back up.
 

johnson86-1

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Giving people a livable wage would eliminate the need. Walmart is the most subsidized company in the world as the majority of their employees get food stamps.

Raise minimum wage to make companies pay their employees a livable wage. Problem solved.
How much money are you paying Walmart employees? I’m assuming less than Walmart? If so, just how much chutzpah does it take to criticize them for paying them something when you are paying them nothing?
 

johnson86-1

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If you believe that is real you should stay off the internet.

"but it could be and that's the point1!1!1" incoming...
It seems like obvious parody but damn did she nail that trailer park mouth look. I don’t even know exactly what it is that she is copying so well. It’s just one of those know it when you see it but can’t explain what it is things.
 

mstateglfr

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It seems like obvious parody but damn did she nail that trailer park mouth look. I don’t even know exactly what it is that she is copying so well. It’s just one of those know it when you see it but can’t explain what it is things.
If it's obvious parody, it isn't obvious enough, since it bagged tbay into posting it as a serious response.
It seems like the guy has been clowned by posting fake Twitter crap more than he has posted real Twitter crap.


- food assistance shouldn't be an end goal.
- food assistance shouldn't be abused.
- food assistance shouldn't be eliminated due to minor abuse, according to legitimate effort analysis.
 

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If it's obvious parody, it isn't obvious enough, since it bagged tbay into posting it as a serious response.
It seems like the guy has been clowned by posting fake Twitter crap more than he has posted real Twitter crap.


- food assistance shouldn't be an end goal.
- food assistance shouldn't be abused.
- food assistance shouldn't be eliminated due to minor abuse, according to legitimate effort analysis.
 

horshack.sixpack

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This is far too simplistic a response to be serious attempts at answering my post. All 3 of you know this, yet you took time to respond and make the comments seem earnest.

Your comments claim people using WIC funding dont have a job(which is incorrect) or have money available to spend on food and choose not to(which is incorrect).
Yes, SOME people using WIC funding arent employed when using WIC funding, but many(most?) are.
Yes, SOME people using WIC funding could spend more income on food, but that would just shift the burden elsewhere(rent, energy, etc).

Eligibility for WIC is a family income that is 185% of the federal poverty level, have young kids, and have documented medical/nutritional need.
So no, the responses above do not constitute a plan that would ensure people are able to consistently eat.
For context, a few years ago nearly 40% of babies benefitted from WIC.

There is a documented and established need, so saying 'dont use it' isnt a solution that will improve the issue.
But it helps them sound alpha MAGA, so bonus points with the hateful crowd trying to out hateful the next guy.
 

horshack.sixpack

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A. I think WIC/EBT/Food stamps are cruel and intentionally designed to keep people poor and reliant on the government for support.
B. By giving people just enough to not be hungry, the government conditions them to not strive for more.

“A” my not be intentionally cruel, it may be utopian naivety.
“B” I’ll stand on that. Look at the results.
If everyone had equal capabilities, I’d be less sure that we need subsidies. They do not.

mine is a simple Biblical viewpoint. I’m not suggesting that everyone is or should have the same opinion, but for Christians how you treat aliens and less fortunate isn’t optional.

“For there will never cease to be poor people in the land; that is why I am commanding you, ‘Open your hand willingly to your poor and needy brother in your land.’”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭15‬:‭11‬
 

johnson86-1

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If everyone had equal capabilities, I’d be less sure that we need subsidies. They do not.

mine is a simple Biblical viewpoint. I’m not suggesting that everyone is or should have the same opinion, but for Christians how you treat aliens and less fortunate isn’t optional.

“For there will never cease to be poor people in the land; that is why I am commanding you, ‘Open your hand willingly to your poor and needy brother in your land.’”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭15‬:‭11‬
That’s completely irrelevant to taking money by force from some people and giving it to others. I think ebt is one of the least terrible government programs and think there are plenty of good arguments for it, but claiming that any Christian obligations are satisfied by using force or the threat of force to take from other people and is just absurd.
 

johnson86-1

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If it's obvious parody, it isn't obvious enough, since it bagged tbay into posting it as a serious response.
It seems like the guy has been clowned by posting fake Twitter crap more than he has posted real Twitter crap.


- food assistance shouldn't be an end goal.
- food assistance shouldn't be abused.
- food assistance shouldn't be eliminated due to minor abuse, according to legitimate effort analysis.
It’s hard to do parody any more because there is so much absurdity out there. If it wasn’t for specifying the 2024 BMW, it would have been completely believable as absurd as it is.

I have had to deal with people that complain that they don’t get any money when landowners near them sell land. People complaining that they would lose benefits just because they are making too much money doesn’t sound too absurd on its face at all.
 

mstateglfr

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It’s hard to do parody any more because there is so much absurdity out there. If it wasn’t for specifying the 2024 BMW, it would have been completely believable as absurd as it is.

I have had to deal with people that complain that they don’t get any money when landowners near them sell land. People complaining that they would lose benefits just because they are making too much money doesn’t sound too absurd on its face at all.
Yep, parody that is too close to reality is tough to sort out.
...but if a point is to be made when a real discussion is taking place, I hope you would agree that actual real information should be used and lies or parody should not be used.

If we all cant even agree that actual facts and reality are what should be used and lies or parody should be ignored, then there will just be even more examples such as Vance justifying lies about immigrants eating cats.
"If I have to create stories so that the American media actually pays attention to the suffering of the American people, then that’s what I’m going to do,”

If there are so many examples of abusing food assistance that the Twitter video is tough to know if it's satire or not, then I think it would be easy to just reference real examples.
 
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horshack.sixpack

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That’s completely irrelevant to taking money by force from some people and giving it to others. I think ebt is one of the least terrible government programs and think there are plenty of good arguments for it, but claiming that any Christian obligations are satisfied by using force or the threat of force to take from other people and is just absurd.
You seem angry at the Bible.
That’s completely irrelevant to taking money by force from some people and giving it to others. I think ebt is one of the least terrible government programs and think there are plenty of good arguments for it, but claiming that any Christian obligations are satisfied by using force or the threat of force to take from other people and is just absurd.
if you are in the 37% federal tax bracket, about 4.9% of your federal taxes go to welfare programs to reach needs that you would have no personal way to even know about. I doubt that you could find a way to individually do, with that small amount, what the federal government is able to do collectively.

As a Christian, I don’t believe that it is Biblical to rail against every single social service out there. I think it is Biblical to give as much as I can and the very small % of my taxes that goes to help the less fortunate is fine. The church is not feeding these people.

some people would rather starve the 90% that need it to keep the 10% that don’t from getting over. I’d rather err on the side of generosity and let God sort it out later.
 

jethreauxdawg

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If everyone had equal capabilities, I’d be less sure that we need subsidies. They do not.

mine is a simple Biblical viewpoint. I’m not suggesting that everyone is or should have the same opinion, but for Christians how you treat aliens and less fortunate isn’t optional.

“For there will never cease to be poor people in the land; that is why I am commanding you, ‘Open your hand willingly to your poor and needy brother in your land.’”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭15‬:‭11‬
I didn’t say don’t help them. I said I’m looking at the results of current government programs of just giving stuff to poor people and I believe the results indicate these methods of helping are actually hurting them more in the long run. I believe we should try different methods of helping them than we are currently using.

The Bible is also pretty clear about the results of not working. Go read Proverbs.
 

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You seem angry at the Bible.

if you are in the 37% federal tax bracket, about 4.9% of your federal taxes go to welfare programs to reach needs that you would have no personal way to even know about. I doubt that you could find a way to individually do, with that small amount, what the federal government is able to do collectively.

As a Christian, I don’t believe that it is Biblical to rail against every single social service out there. I think it is Biblical to give as much as I can and the very small % of my taxes that goes to help the less fortunate is fine. The church is not feeding these people.

some people would rather starve the 90% that need it to keep the 10% that don’t from getting over. I’d rather err on the side of generosity and let God sort it out later.
Go work a soup kitchen for a few months. It'll be eye opening. It'll be less nebulous than the strawman you are clinging to.

I did it for years before we relocated. A strong majority of the people drove up in nicer cars than me, carrying the latest iphones. The only time I remember seeing someone who was "woah, that guy needs help" was a guy that came in, it was upper 20s outside and he had a windbreaker/members only like jacket. He asked for newspaper. My wife heard the request, got him a few sections and he started crumbling them up and stuffing them. My wife didn't realize the why, but he said it helped to insulate. She stopped him and took her coat off and handed it to him. They were approximately the same size. There is money being flushed down the toilet of government programs because it's inefficient and directly scammable.

Charity needs to be privatized and on a local level. Large administration will pull a similar inefficiency.
 

johnson86-1

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You seem angry at the Bible.

if you are in the 37% federal tax bracket, about 4.9% of your federal taxes go to welfare programs to reach needs that you would have no personal way to even know about. I doubt that you could find a way to individually do, with that small amount, what the federal government is able to do collectively.

As a Christian, I don’t believe that it is Biblical to rail against every single social service out there. I think it is Biblical to give as much as I can and the very small % of my taxes that goes to help the less fortunate is fine. The church is not feeding these people.

some people would rather starve the 90% that need it to keep the 10% that don’t from getting over. I’d rather err on the side of generosity and let God sort it out later.
I don’t like it when people claim to use the Bible to justify being *** holes. And only an *** hole would assert that they are somehow doing their Christian duty because they support other people paying money to help the poor. Paying taxes does not relieve people of their Christian obligations and Christianity doesn’t require that you try to force other people to do anything with their money.
 

mstateglfr

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Big if true.