But they don't do marketingBecause Tesla is unique among corporations in always providing a complete list of all known software flaws in their marketing materials about that software.
Seriously. Put down the crack pipe.
OT: Electric vehicles
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Right? I wonder which department budget those presentations are funded from, since there’s no “marketing budget” or marketing department.But they don't do marketing
Here I am thinking you're a pretty bright guy. Someone who wouldn't make an unshakable judgement without knowing all knowable information.
He is a pretty bright guy. The question is how bright one could possibly be if one insists upon confusing marketing material with trustworthy, objective, complete, factual information.
4 out of 5 forum members recommend not trusting corporate marketing messages.
I have all of the knowable information. I don't need to read your fanboy rags.
I know actual stuff about software design. I know actual stuff about technology infrastructure. I know actual stuff about transportation technology. My employer pays me quite well to be a renowned expert on these things.
In the hallowed halls of tech leaders at the top of the industry, Elmo is a joke.
Read what? I asked if you watched Tesla's own presentations about software. I thought such a modest, renowned expert in the field might want to broaden their horizons and see what others are doing. Maybe learn something. Guess not.
Just curious, do you know of any other jokes within the tech industry that have landed orbital rocket boosters or reach profitable, mass manufacturing of autos? Did the others in the hallowed halls of tech just not feel like trying? Let Elon work on the easy stuff?
Attempting to belittle someone far more accomplished is very telling. I originally asked an honest question about your viewership of Tesla's presentations. Rather than admit you didn't, nor apparently knew of their existence, you turn to gloating and insulting. I take back what I said earlier about you being bright.
I know what they're doing. They're developing software outside of SDLC. Eventually someone will get killed and the repercussions will be Boeing-like.
He bought the rocket technology. I will admit, the booster landings are impressive. Everything else - and this is super important - has already been done. Like 50 years ago.
Also - TSKL wouldn't be profitable if it weren't for the part of the business that sells emissions credits back to other auto manufacturers. Last year that was all of their $500M net.
Your problem is that you don't understand that a lot of the things you think are awesome are, in fact, technologically 3rd grade.
Muse ignoring Tesla shareholder depression to instead fan flames of Apple/Musk fanboi wars.
People get killed on the roads every day. 40k+ last year in the US. Many more thousands permanently injured. Humans are ****** drivers. You're complacent to these deaths/injuries and waiting to pounce once someone is killed using an ADAS system as if those deaths matter more. 2+ years with FSD beta on public roads = zero deaths. But, it's true, people will die in autonomous vehicles. Autonomy doesn't need to be perfect. The day regulators determine these vehicles are safer than the average human, they should be allowed on roads. Anything less would be criminal. Why you choose to **** on Tesla, or any other company attempting to solve autonomy is bizarre. They may indeed fail, but at least they're trying to create a technology that will save millions of lives.
I like how you try to brush off the booster landing as if lowering the cost of payload to orbit by orders of magnitude is neat little party trick. How about designing a manufacturing system that produces a new Raptor 2 engine every day? That must be 3rd grade technology too, right? Someone with your supposed wealth of knowledge should know how difficult large scale manufacturing of complex machinery is.
You're wrong about the ZEV credits. That was once true. It no longer is. Go ahead and back out the ZEV credits and see if Tesla is still profitable.
Thanks for telling me my problem. I'll choose the high road by not reciprocating.
Stop deflecting to SpaceX. It's irrelevant. Nobody here is shitting on any companies for trying to solve autonomous driving. What a transparently weak strawman.
Human-error caused automotive crashes aren't helped by automotive companies causing more crashes by releasing poorly written and/or malfunctioning software trying to do more than its capable of safely doing on public roads. It especially isn't helped by placing those error-prone humans in an even more precarious state by designing a system that actively discourages attentiveness while requiring not only attentiveness, but instant-on attentiveness, due to inherent technical limitations of that system.
This is insanity and it shouldn't be permitted. It's like big tobacco all over again. Everybody who understands the technology and the psychology involved knows it cannot work safely until V2X is implemented.
Nobody here is saying don't work on it. Nobody here is saying not to try to improve the safety of our roads using technology. We're saying not to push unsafe unready stuff out onto public roads. Such a shameful position to take, right?
Maybe if your personal God, Musk, were giving the software away for free, you could make a reasonable, but ultimately unsuccessful, argument that his motivation is to save lives. But he's charging money for his dangerously flawed beta software. His motivation is obviously to make more money.
Nothing is wrong with making money. But what kind of moron wants to die on the road in order to help a dude with $200B make more money? Have a little dignity.
In happy Electric Vehicle News:
Seems, according to this article at least, that EVs are not likely to be the longevity leaders some make them out to be. For example, the Tesla Model S is nowhere near the longevity of the longest lived ICE vehicles.
Toyota pretty much dominated the results, which is unsurprising. If only they weren’t so damn unattractive.
Toyota pretty much dominated the results, which is unsurprising. If only they weren’t so damn unattractive.
My Toyota Sienna needed a new transmission after 6 years/45k miles. Thank God I bought the extended warrant.
That one wasn’t on the top ten list. But any model from any brand is gonna have variance in its reliability, right?
It's not the SUV's destiny to be attractive : )
Sequoia would be on the top of my list for SUVs. Just saw they're preparing a new Grand Highlander, too.
That’s the sales pitch Chevy guy gave me on the suburban. Didn’t work on me. Same reason I didn’t buy crypto after the I saw Matt Damon’s fortune favors the brave ad.
Trouble with Toyotas is that they decay unlike any other brand. Fading / peeling paint, interior trim issues... Also they're ugly.
I've pretty much decided my first electric vehicle will be one that flies. We were promised flying cars. I don't know wtf is keeping these people.
I've pretty much decided my first electric vehicle will be one that flies. We were promised flying cars. I don't know wtf is keeping these people.
Do you trust people who are terrible at driving in a 2 dimensional environment to be competent at driving in 3?
True although somehow Land Rover‘s stylists have managed it, IMO. If only we could have the demonstrated reliability and longevity of Toyotas with the stylistic appeal of Land Rovers.
Variance. Probably a ton of them going a long way without major issues. Seems you got unlucky, unless you were beating the hell out of it which will do in any car’s transmission eventually.
Idk, never like these articles because you don’t know how they came to that conclusion. 6yrs / 45k miles. Mostly a train station car after I got my Honda odyssey.
I don’t like them all that much either. But the results do appear to contradict claims that EVs will somehow outlast ICEVs, as a rule. Some EVs might, some won’t.
I think it all depends on the manufacturer, the model, the year built, and a bunch of other factors, including if it’s garaged or open to the elements, in the South or in the snow belt. Etc.
Could even go electric (and several orders more insane):
Or stick with the Toyota Sienna:
I was just having some fun with the ol' swagger wagon commercials, though:
Toyotas have an incomparable rep for reliability, not just limited to one list.
Only speaking from personal experience. Also had the check engine light last year 9 yrs/ 72k miles. Had to get the sensor replace. Countless recall notices on the auto sliding doors. To be fair, Honda also had issues with the auto sliding doors.
No, but I figure that will work itself out.
I've always believed that one of the coolest things about flying (in today's world) is the ability to deftly drive something into the ground at 100 mph. Most people wouldn't be able to do it. So... ya know... maybe we get rid of them.
Switzerland will BAN electric cars from roads during power shortages
Plans drawn up in the event Switzerland is hit by blackouts this winter call for all electric cars to be banned from the roads except for 'essential journeys' to limit power consumption.
Well this is interesting. You can always stockpile emergency fuel, can you stockpile batteries as well?
Well we need to do so something. Humanity's been messing with Darwinism for far too long.
Yes. Both residential and utility size batteries are rapidly being incorporated into global power grids. Decentralized electricity powered by renewables and batteries is the future.Switzerland will BAN electric cars from roads during power shortages
Plans drawn up in the event Switzerland is hit by blackouts this winter call for all electric cars to be banned from the roads except for 'essential journeys' to limit power consumption.www.dailymail.co.uk
Well this is interesting. You can always stockpile emergency fuel, can you stockpile batteries as well?