OT: Electric vehicles

HeavenUniv.

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Belly, you might know this. Has anyone done a study on what car companies and cars Tesla buyers are switching from? Ideally, it is foreign made cars from foreign car companies to keep our jobs and money here. Very, very happy to see that you mentioned that Tesla’s sold in the US are made in America.
 

HeavenUniv.

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does it matter where the company is HQ'ed? American jobs are American jobs.
If it was Canada, I could live with it, but not someplace like Communist China or Vietnam. And no, I will not comment anymore about that to prevent myself from being dragged into political sewage.
 
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mildone_rivals

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Figures.

Because it's those damn BMW owners who seem to always, without fail, park right up next to me when I park way the hell off by myself in parking lots.

I mean, there will be nobody parked in my row or several other empty rows closer to the building entrance. And when I come out, there will be some BMW, right in the spot next to me. There's like 100 other spots, well away from any other cars. But nope, it has to be right the **** next to me.

Aaaaaaaaaaaiiieeee! 😀

Anyway, it figures that those douches would shift over to Teslas. 😉
 

RUBlackout

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I gave up my infiniti Qx50 for the Model 3..prior to that I had a BMW 3 series(hated that car)
 

mildone_rivals

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Brand new brand.

NY Auto Show should be a good one this year. First major international auto show of the year, discounting a half-assed CES.

Gotta think an Austrian supercar brand would have debuted at Geneva this month had it not been canceled.
From the glimpse of the car, it looks nice.

I also appreciate when videos are produced with at least 1440p resolution, as this one was. Sucks to get nice high res displays and then have to watch 720p videos.

And yes, I do realize it's a totally whiny first world problem for which I should be flogged for even mentioning. 😀
 

RUevolution36

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From the glimpse of the car, it looks nice.

I also appreciate when videos are produced with at least 1440p resolution, as this one was. Sucks to get nice high res displays and then have to watch 720p videos.

And yes, I do realize it's a totally whiny first world problem for which I should be flogged for even mentioning. 😀
everyone is buying 4K displays and tv's now. why the hell isn't everything filmed and released in 4K?
 

mildone_rivals

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everyone is buying 4K displays and tv's now. why the hell isn't everything filmed and released in 4K?
There are various reasons not to record and publish everything in 4K. The most compelling reason is that what makes sense for TV displays doesn't always make sense for computer displays. So while modern movies are recorded and released in 4K, that's not going to be true for all digital videos where the target audience is most likely using computer displays, or mobile device displays, and not TVs.

TV displays today are typically 4K. But lots of people, including me, prefer not to use 4K computer displays on computers. 4K on a vertically larger screen can be great. But on vertically smaller screens, such as most ultrawide displays, the dot-pitch can make for painfully small text and require scaling.

My primary display is a 38" curved ultrawide (3840 x 1600). And the text on that display is already pretty tiny. A 4K vertical resolution display (i.e. 2160p) would be way too tiny on this display format.

For me, at this point, a 30" non-ultrawide monitor is the minimum size for a 4K display.

I dunno, does that make sense?
 

RUevolution36

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There are various reasons not to record and publish everything in 4K. The most compelling reason is that what makes sense for TV displays doesn't always make sense for computer displays. So while modern movies are recorded and released in 4K, that's not going to be true for all digital videos where the target audience is most likely using computer displays, or mobile device displays, and not TVs.

TV displays today are typically 4K. But lots of people, including me, prefer not to use 4K computer displays on computers. 4K on a vertically larger screen can be great. But on vertically smaller screens, such as most ultrawide displays, the dot-pitch can make for painfully small text and require scaling.

My primary display is a 38" curved ultrawide (3840 x 1600). And the text on that display is already pretty tiny. A 4K vertical resolution display (i.e. 2160p) would be way too tiny on this display format.

For me, at this point, a 30" non-ultrawide monitor is the minimum size for a 4K display.

I dunno, does that make sense?
i like my text small...while it doesnt necessarily make sense for work, watching YT videos and such would be nice to have in all 4K
 
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i like my text small...while it doesnt necessarily make sense for work, watching YT videos and such would be nice to have in all 4K
I fully agree insofar as movies are concerned.

But I have ****** eyes. Have always been near-sighted, but now I'm also far-sighted which creates the need to wear corrective lenses that are compromised to make both near and far vision acceptable. And that means tiny text on displays can be difficult.

Lately, I've found the vision compromise problematic for target shooting. So next eye-doctor appointment, I'll probably opt for some full-strength distance lenses for shooting, driving, and other longer-distance activities, in addition to the usual far-near compromised lenses for most other situations.

Getting old sucks.
 
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Love it when people defend billionaires like they need your help. LOL. I love that people bring up his $11 billion tax bill in 2021 but doesn’t mention he only paid $455 million between 2014 - 2018. I could’ve retired by now if i can get that tax rate.
 

Rutgers Chris

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Love it when people defend billionaires like they need your help. LOL. I love that people bring up his $11 billion tax bill in 2021 but doesn’t mention he only paid $455 million between 2014 - 2018. I could’ve retired by now if i can get that tax rate.
You’re in favor of paying taxes on unrealized gains?
 

Rutgers Chris

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Never said that. Just saying it’s total BS that he keeps bring up his 11 billion number. Musk is very good at not lying but he doesn’t really tell the truth either.
So you agree he paid the correct amount of taxes previously. Glad we cleared that up, to assist in your pursuit of the truth.
 
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She conveniently left out the fact that Elon overpaid his 2017 taxes, thus no tax bill in 2018.
She also conveniently left out the fact that many automakers took federal loans in 2010 as part of a fed. program. GM's loan cost tax payers $11.2 Billion. Many others still owe. Tesla's loan was repaid 9 years early, with interest.

She's a swamp creature. Doesn't care about truth, only pushing her agenda.
 
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You’re in favor of paying taxes on unrealized gains?
Depending on where the cutoff actually wound up, he personally wouldn't have to pay anything on unrealized gains. As currently defined, it wouldn't affect probably 99.5% of the forum members here.

I always find the "in favor of" question to be disingenuous when it's about tax policy. Pretty much nobody personally ever wants to pay more in taxes. I sure don't. But at the same time, I don't ever expect that the tax code should be modified solely with my personal desires in mind. In other words, I recognize that I'm part of a society and we all need to do our bit to help our society (funding for bridge and roadway construction and self-defense R&D and so forth has to come from somewhere).

I am not a fan of high corporate taxes nor am I a fan of ideological demonization of the wealthy. I think everyone should take full advantage of every possible legal loophole that allows them to pay as little taxes as possible.

But I also think reasonable people can agree that everybody should contribute their fair share to the operation of our nations, states and towns. And reasonable people can debate what "fair share" is and such debate can be pretty productive if people are non-ideological and avoid fear-mongering about it.

In this case, if we can modify the tax code a little bit to ensure that folks earning 100s of millions per year (and growing), but paying very little in taxes by leaving that money sitting in tax sheltered investments, are not avoiding paying their fair share, then I don't necessarily see that as a horrible thing. It's not being punitive it's about ensuring that the current tax code isn't making it possible for some folks to avoid paying their fair share.

It's possible to craft tax policy changes that address that where problematic loop holes are closed without it being punitive to wealthy folks who already pay their fair share. Especially if, as this proposed policy change seems to do, there are measures to address some of the problems that can arise when people are forced to take investment income at just the wrong moment in time.

Incidentally, it would be nice to give the RMDs for the average Joe's retirement plans the same treatment the super high net worth folks would get under this proposal. Just because the average RMD is orders of magnitude less money than a billionaire's tax burden doesn't make it any less painful when investments must be sold at the wrong time.
 

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Depending on where the cutoff actually wound up, he personally wouldn't have to pay anything on unrealized gains. As currently defined, it wouldn't affect probably 99.5% of the forum members here.

I always find the "in favor of" question to be disingenuous when it's about tax policy. Pretty much nobody personally ever wants to pay more in taxes. I sure don't. But at the same time, I don't ever expect that the tax code should be modified solely with my personal desires in mind. In other words, I recognize that I'm part of a society and we all need to do our bit to help our society (funding for bridge and roadway construction and self-defense R&D and so forth has to come from somewhere).

I am not a fan of high corporate taxes nor am I a fan of ideological demonization of the wealthy. I think everyone should take full advantage of every possible legal loophole that allows them to pay as little taxes as possible.

But I also think reasonable people can agree that everybody should contribute their fair share to the operation of our nations, states and towns. And reasonable people can debate what "fair share" is and such debate can be pretty productive if people are non-ideological and avoid fear-mongering about it.

In this case, if we can modify the tax code a little bit to ensure that folks earning 100s of millions per year (and growing), but paying very little in taxes by leaving that money sitting in tax sheltered investments, are not avoiding paying their fair share, then I don't necessarily see that as a horrible thing. It's not being punitive it's about ensuring that the current tax code isn't making it possible for some folks to avoid paying their fair share.

It's possible to craft tax policy changes that address that where problematic loop holes are closed without it being punitive to wealthy folks who already pay their fair share. Especially if, as this proposed policy change seems to do, there are measures to address some of the problems that can arise when people are forced to take investment income at just the wrong moment in time.

Incidentally, it would be nice to give the RMDs for the average Joe's retirement plans the same treatment the super high net worth folks would get under this proposal. Just because the average RMD is orders of magnitude less money than a billionaire's tax burden doesn't make it any less painful when investments must be sold at the wrong time.
Pretty much 95% of what is posted about Musk/Tesla (for and against) in this thread is disingenuous lol.
 
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mildone_rivals

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Pretty much 95% of what is posted about Musk/Tesla (for and against) in this thread is disingenuous lol.
Can't speak for others, but I don't really think about or care about Musk at all. He's not particularly interesting to me, so if people here didn't post stuff about him, I'd never hear about him at all.

OTOH, I am pretty turned off by people engaged in idolizing, worshiping, or heaping adulation on other people, or on various brands, regardless of the circumstances. Doesn't matter if they're politicians, CEOs, artists, actors, or automotive brands, certain businesses, whatever.

Unfortunately, Musk gets tainted with a lot of undignified behavior by others. Not really his fault. IMO, if he's any kind of decent human, it probably irritates the hell out of him but there's not much he can do about it while still actively CEO.
 

mildone_rivals

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Auto manufacturers are pushing to bring manufacturing and software in-house rather than rely on suppliers.

https://www.reuters.com/business/au...esla-rethink-dependence-suppliers-2022-03-31/
Will be interesting to see how it plays out, after a decade. I think it'll wind up being a mistake at least in some cases. And, at least theoretically, from a social goodness standpoint, it's sure seems like a mistake because it introduces all kinds of wheel reinvention (no pun intended), incompatibilities, and inefficiencies.

While the costs of all that reinvention and inefficiency can be passed on to customers, at least by some brands, the incompatibilities and lack of standardization harms customers.

OTOH, I'm a fan of doing more to ensure that domestic production of critical components is ramped up considerably over the next couple decades. If for no other reason than national security.

Time will tell.
 
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Pretty much 95% of what is posted about Musk/Tesla (for and against) in this thread is disingenuous lol.
Disagree from my end. If there was somewhere I was disingenuous I'd like to know about it.
But to your point, there are indeed a few basement dwelling incels that take personal offense to the success of others.