some have suggested this hybrid setup. Almost like an electric turbo.
OT: Electric vehicles
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some have suggested this hybrid setup. Almost like an electric turbo.
Thought they'd have a larger battery for some type of discernible EV range. 1.9 kwh is pretty weak.
I’m going to guess the EV component is purely added for performance, not fuel economy.
I think jtung230 is correct.
Yeah, don't think your average Corvette buyer is going to care about electric range. While not in the article fsg linked (or maybe I overlooked it), Car and Driver: "Pure-electric driving is very limited, with Chevy estimating up to five miles of range in the E-Ray's exclusive Stealth mode."
But you nailed it: "Despite the extra poundage, the E-Ray's all-wheel-drive traction and instant electric torque contribute to Chevy's claim that it's the quickest factory-built Vette ever. The company says the coupe will hit 60 mph in 2.5 seconds, which is just a tenth shy of the 2.6 ticks we clocked with the targa-topped Z06."
Make a note to ourselves- don't race a 'vette off the line in our F150 Lightnings.
Partially true but they've been advertising a "Stealth" EV mode since teasing it a week or two ago. That mode gets no range and they say it's for quietly "exiting the neighborhood" - so driving a block. What's the point?
Think that it gives the gasoline motor extra boost for off the line acceleration.
We have a hybrid motor in our Volvo S60 Recharge. The off the line acceleration is fantastic.
We are not going Racing in the Streets anytime soon in our Volvo, but:
"As complicated as this powertrain is, it proved plenty reliable during our 40,000-mile test of a 2020 model, with modest service costs too. That car, which made 400 horsepower, hit 60 mph in 4.3 seconds. This one, with its additional muscle, knocks a couple of ticks off that time, reaching 60 in 4.1 seconds and dispatching the quarter-mile in 12.5 seconds at 112 mph."
I know that on the next cannonball run, @RU4Real will lose if we drive our S60 Recharge.
True, shaves about half a second off the 0 to 60. Just seems like more hype and money ($40K extra) than electrified product. Thought this would be a bigger step toward the full E-Vette they're also planning.
I think that once you are in the sub 3 second 0 to 60 acceleration, spending another $40K is probably chump change to speed enthusiasts. But for those interest in EVs, it's a lot of of money for not much EV performance.
The very acceleration of EVs and hybrids could raise issues of the need to have such fast acceleration, and it will be interesting to see if this becomes a liability issue in accidents. While not totally on point, was just reading about the suit Paul Walker's estate filed against Porsche when he was killed as a passenger in a friends Porsche going 80-90 mph in a 45 mph zone. A government official raised the issue about the weight of EVs versus their ICE counterparts. It may be a fair point as to whether such a heavy vehicle should have such acceleration. While the sub 4.6 0-60 acceleration of my Lightning is fun, I question the need and utility of this feature.
One needn't guess. Chevrolet very clearly says so, as reported by C&D. The hybrid Corvette is performance-focused.
More on battery recycling and Redwood Materials:
https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/01/17/1066915/tesla-former-cto-battery-recycling/
https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/01/17/1066915/tesla-former-cto-battery-recycling/
Comparing sticker price of one vehicle with your negotiated price is being deceptive. Adding sales tax to one and deducting a subsidy from the other just reinforces my point. The poor bastard driving a Kia that paid his sales tax, and every other tax thrown at him, is subsidizing some rich guy's toy and the solar panels to power it. You think the money for those things falls off a magic money tree? Or we can just print a bunch (that he and his kids are on the hook for ironically) and make the poor Kia guy's money worth even less. That's gonna be great for him and his family. He's worrying about buying groceries not a Prius. So much for the paying your fair share mantra from libs huh? Your "savings" are just a burden put on somebody else. Looking out for the little guy
Love ya Shift, but not buyin' it. The real math says electric isn't there yet. Without other people's money it falls down.
The real math is how much he actually paid. Don’t hate the player, hate the game.Comparing sticker price of one vehicle with your negotiated price is being deceptive. Adding sales tax to one and deducting a subsidy from the other just reinforces my point. The poor bastard driving a Kia that paid his sales tax, and every other tax thrown at him, is subsidizing some rich guy's toy and the solar panels to power it. You think the money for those things falls off a magic money tree? Or we can just print a bunch (that he and his kids are on the hook for ironically) and make the poor Kia guy's money worth even less. That's gonna be great for him and his family. He's worrying about buying groceries not a Prius. So much for the paying your fair share mantra from libs huh? Your "savings" are just a burden put on somebody else. Looking out for the little guy
Love ya Shift, but not buyin' it. The real math says electric isn't there yet. Without other people's money it falls down.
Irony is ironic from the fair share gang.
You're good with a rich guy being subsidized by a poor guy?
The "game" is draining other people's resources dude. Remember your statement the next time you comment on Trump paying taxes. Oh wait, that's different. We don't like him.
Funny thing is I actually agree with your post. I applaud Shift for taking advantage of the rules. Shaves a little height off the moral high ground though.
You are coming off very silly here. There was zero negotiation. The sticker price of my car F150 Lightning was the MSRP, or $79,500. OK, take off the "tax credit (don't know why I would do that, as all purchases are economic decisions and a price point at which a buy will or will not make a purchase), and go back to $79,500, still $300 less than the ICE version of the same vehicle, and a lot less because of no sales tax. If you want to make the tax argument does not count, please show your tax returns were you DO NOT take the mortgage and property tax deduction.Comparing sticker price of one vehicle with your negotiated price is being deceptive. Adding sales tax to one and deducting a subsidy from the other just reinforces my point. The poor bastard driving a Kia that paid his sales tax, and every other tax thrown at him, is subsidizing some rich guy's toy and the solar panels to power it. You think the money for those things falls off a magic money tree? Or we can just print a bunch (that he and his kids are on the hook for ironically) and make the poor Kia guy's money worth even less. That's gonna be great for him and his family. He's worrying about buying groceries not a Prius. So much for the paying your fair share mantra from libs huh? Your "savings" are just a burden put on somebody else. Looking out for the little guy
Love ya Shift, but not buyin' it. The real math says electric isn't there yet. Without other people's money it falls down.
I'm not mad. This is highly entertaining and fun. You need to quit while you are behind, and focus on something you are good at
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Who said I was rich?
Do you take a mortgage and property tax deduction on your federal income tax? Do you take a deduction for kids and other deductions?
I don't understand your objection to tax policy that promotes purportedly noble goals of saving the planet. Taking advantage of the tax system. That's how smart people get richer. Don't cry about it hurting the poor people, because it is not. That is a weird hill to die on.
I applauded you for your financial acuity. Agreed with the post. Don't hate the player, hate the game. Was a compliment.You are coming off very silly here. There was zero negotiation. The sticker price of my car F150 Lightning was the MSRP, or $79,500. OK, take off the "tax credit (don't know why I would do that, as all purchases are economic decisions and a price point at which a buy will or will not make a purchase), and go back to $79,500, still $300 less than the ICE version of the same vehicle, and a lot less because of no sales tax. If you want to make the tax argument does not count, please show your tax returns were you DO NOT take the mortgage and property tax deduction.
I'm not mad. This is highly entertaining and fun. You need to quit while you are behind, and focus on something you are good at
It's all good and a friendly debate. I can sort of understand your beef about subsidizing EVs, but if we go down that road, there is a much longer list of things to complain about in that area.
Is this a trick question? I'm perfectly okay with me being subsidized by anyone and everyone.
Not that I would refer to myself as "rich". I'd restate my definition of rich, but then @mdk01 will make fun of me (again).
And I would not have a problem if there was means testing to limit or eliminate the tax credit for people making more money. The problem right now is that many of the EVs are so expensive, they might not sell as well. Perhaps once demand picks up (counterintuitive) and economies of scale take hold, prices will come down to a more affordable level. That said, there are quite a few pure EVs that are fairly cheap. A guy on my fire department got a Kia for something like $12,000. The range is quite low, but he is OK with that. Not sure if that was used, but I cannot imagine it was new and getting a $7500 tax credit.
I was checking out (online) the F150 Raptor R last night. The article's reviewers seemed to really love it. But they kind of mocked the pricing for it. I priced one out in the Ford configurator at $111,470.
The reviewers, despite really liking the truck, felt that the materials and design didn't exactly warrant the price. But they also felt that, despite the price, they will very likely sell very well. To that point, I have noticed that, on Rennlist, an unusually large percentage of 911 owners also own loaded Raptors.
I dunno... I'm guessing there may be a wee compensation correlation in effect there, somewhere. I don't have a serious interest, and don't have a reasonable use-case for such a vehicle. But damn, it sure looks fun.
And, you know, it might make me feel more manly if I was rumbling around the Whole Foods parking lot in one, scaring the pants off the soccer moms and all.
The system is setup for the poor people to drain the rich people. Keep in mind that this is a tax credit. If you don’t owe any taxes, there is no subsidy. I think the correct question is am I ok with the rich guy subsidizing less of a poor guy.
yes, the internet is the place to be when =searching for the truth.
I heard/saw it on the internet makes one understand how the person expressing their opinion
got so smart
As for comparing California's power problems to the Texas outages , blaming alternate energy for Cal's problems makes for better discussion if you want to ignore natural gas not going through the line was the major cause of Texas blackouts
By the way
Several power plants, including aging gas-fired ones along California’s coast, partially broke down or produced less energy than planned.
The bulk of the power loss in Texas came from natural gas suppliers, according to regulators, as pipelines froze, making it difficult for plants to get the fuel they needed. Production from coal and nuclear plants dropped as well. A similar phenomenon played out in Kansas and other states
I had forgotten about the gas plant issues in So Cal. Those occurred in 2021. Peaker power stations are used for peak period loads - such as during summer heat waves. Looks like the oldest gas plants were used for this purpose in 2021.
The good news is additional battery storage capabilities continued to be deployed. Here's an hour-by-hour breakdown of California power generation by type versus power demand. Batteries are making a significant difference in matching power supply and demand.
Stationary storage batteries are the sleeping giant. Both utility and residential.
I would love a flat tax with no deductions whatsoever, except for charity. And no EITC (i.e., tax system welfare). Exempt the first $30k or so of income. Life would be so simple!Who said I was rich?
Do you take a mortgage and property tax deduction on your federal income tax? Do you take a deduction for kids and other deductions?
I don't understand your objection to tax policy that promotes purportedly noble goals of saving the planet. Taking advantage of the tax system. That's how smart people get richer. Don't cry about it hurting the poor people, because it is not. That is a weird hill to die on.
The EITC was a huge Ronald Reagan priority.
I am not a fan because it has lead to massive cheating. People report made up business income, so they have earned income just below the level that becomes taxable but enough to qualify for the EITC.
That is why the IRS puts a lot of audit work into low-income taxpayers. It is to deal with EITC fraud.
Lot of fraud, no doubt. Also some honest mistakes by taxpayers who can't get through to IRS with questions. There would be a lot of support for a limited increase in funding specifically for agents on the help lines, and improve on the 13 percent answer rate that was reported last week.
Folks, please keep this thread on topic.
For this tweet - ERCOT is Texas. Once again - stationary batteries and renewables are making a big difference.
For this tweet - ERCOT is Texas. Once again - stationary batteries and renewables are making a big difference.
That is one reason I no longer do tax returns. The times I had to deal with getting in touch with the IRS made it a nightmare. Now I just do what I call record keeping for small businesses to take to their CPA at the end of the year. I don't have to deal with any tax issues.
It is a little above bookkeeping and a little below auditing and tax preparation. Nice affordable sweet spot for a small business that can handle the working portion of their service but completely screw up tracking revenue and expenses.
SS and Medicare can be included. Just make the rate revenue neutral for everything and we are good to go.
The tax code is a mess. I'd much rather have a flat tax than having to hire accountants and do my own research on the variety of tax exemptions, credits, etc. We worked through NJ BAIT the past couple of years, and it was a ridiculous amount of work, all for NJ Dept of Revenue (or whatever it is called) to shaft us on our return. We will get our money, but they don't understand their own nutty regulations. I still love living here though, so don't go there.
Heck, in 1992 that bastion of conservativism, Jerry Brown, proposed a 13 percent flat income tax. I remember him throwing books into a garbage can, symbolic of trashing the oversized tax code. There were other parts of his plan that were shaky. Of course, many of the liberal newspapers panned the idea as unfair.