it was all a grift and it got exposed...does nj still have some mandate for 2030 or 2035..bahahahaha
OT: Electric vehicles
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It’s not. And there won’t be much of an automotive sector in 10-15 years if they don’t convert to producing EVs.
Until you can fully charge your EV in 5 minutes, the market will remain very limited.
Far from true.
Ideological idiots will continue to be ideological idiots. Carry on in your echo chamber, fellas.
It’s tale of two worlds/markets. It’s the US vs the world. US drivers are refusing to adapt to EV. The rest of the world is about 1 out 4 already.
More than that, the rule is expected to say that 51% of all model year 2028 cars sold (they go on sale in 2027) must be EVs.The regulation is expected to give annual increases in percentage of EV sales — jumping to 59% of 2029 year cars, then to 82% of 2032 year cars before hitting 100% in 2035.
2 years...mikie better start raising taxes for those charging stations
2 years...mikie better start raising taxes for those charging stations
The Al Gore "We'll all be under water in 20 years" (said 20 years ago) vs. the "What, me worry" when climate change (but not an immediate appocolopse) exists.
The world is electrifying and going to EVs (this won’t happen over night, but is happening faster than people realize). EVs are just superior vehicles, and as production increases, the up front costs will decline.
There won’t be much of an ICE export market for US automakers by 2040 and the domestic market for ICE will continue to shrink.
This is a “Kodak moment” for the US auto industry. Transform or die.
That technology exists (at least at 15 mins) it just hasn’t scaled. And most will be able to charge at home (and sell back to the grid to make more money).
Correct RE 15 mins. On the charge/sell back, lots of political issues have arisen around that but technologically is feasible.
As of now, supercharging exists and is about 20 minutes. Have lots of friends with Teslas that can get to 80%, and corresponding long range, in 20 mins on their super charger. Charge point just released a supercharger with same 20 min time.
Emerging tech that is about to emerge in the U.S. but has been in China for a while is gas powered generators that charge EV batteries giving automobiles 500 mile range.
The industry will exist but it will evolve. This isn't the first or the last time that technology disrupted an industry over time and evolved the players, discarded some players, and created new players.
Lots of misinformation and incorrect assumptions in this thread but folks can carry on with what they want to believe.
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Farmer for the hay and blacksmiths for the shoes were the big ones affected last time.
Seems to be a lot more hands involved with a regular gas cars and trucks.
Not saying it’s not going to happen someday. But those other players aren’t going to go down without a fight.
Maybe they’ll evolve as some say or die as others have said too.
But I don’t think we’re at “the science is settled” part yet.
Seems to be a lot more hands involved with a regular gas cars and trucks.
Not saying it’s not going to happen someday. But those other players aren’t going to go down without a fight.
Maybe they’ll evolve as some say or die as others have said too.
But I don’t think we’re at “the science is settled” part yet.
Charging at home is fine, but those 5-10 min fast chargers need to be widespread. We would be happy to buy an EV as our next vehicle.....as soon as they make a large SUV with 400+ mile range and the ability to "fill-up" as easy as a ICE vehicle.
I just ordered my second Tesla for my kids. It’s a no brainer for college kids. No maintenance, very affordable, and many colleges offer free charging stations
That’s absolutely spot on and really why this needs to be gradual. Transportation and Power are actually the easier things to decarbonize.
The science was settled a long time ago. If anything, the forecasts were too conservative on the impacts of climate change. When the long term climate models for different emissions scenarios get updated every 5-6 years, they’re actually worsening.
How is the electrical system/grid made?
What powers it?
“Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.”
Electrifying?
NJ doesn't even produce enough electricity to fuel its own needs. Where is all this new electricity coming from? And please don't say the failed windmill and solar experiments that cost billions and returned dismal performances.
Not sure why you are mentioning climate change with EVS
Advancements and acceptance of EVs if ever will come with demand and profit margins not with a political attempt to use climate change as a way to save the world by moving from gas powered vehicles
People who have them (ev’s in general) love them. People who don’t have a list of reasons of why they won’t work for them. Once the EV companies figure out how to bridge that gap, adoption will increase. I may be buying a third next year.
I have had an EV for over 2 yrs. now, the Cadillac Lyriq, when Ieased there were some great deals and tax breaks which made the purchase a no brainer. As part of the lease, Cadillac installed a Home Charger in my garage. I got a$7500 tax credit and Cadillac was running some promotions as well. All in all with the tax credits and other benefits, it was worth it. Lately I have been noticing, probably due to the cold weather, if travel 60 miles one way, my battery will use up around 70-80 miles charge. I'm assuming because I have the heat, lights, radio, charging my phone,.....I get 280 miles on a full charge, have not taken long trips, if I can't find a fast charger along the way, I don't feel like waiting to have car charged. On the whole, got a great deal, save a ton on gas, charge at night when rates are low, it's really a great car but would not recommend for drives that are going to be total round trip of over 225 miles.
Have you actually looked at this? The most rapid increases in power demand are coming from AI and HPC data centers. I’m not even sure what you mean by “failed windmill and solar experiments” - failed wind and solar account are the fastest growing sources of power, with solar proving half of generation increases.
Wind and solar aren’t perfect, and we need more nuclear, storage, and advancements in geothermal and storage. Yes, capacity factors for wind and solar are lower, but on a kWh basis, they’re cheaper and faster to market (yes, system costs are material and need to be worked through). Or you can always just put solar on your roof and you’re done.
that's simply not true
adoption outside of Europe is shyyyyt and even in Europe, outside of Norway, it's less than 10%.
That would be incorrect. Facts:
There are now 39 countries where EVs make up more than 10% of new car sales, compared with just four in 2019.
Singapore and Vietnam have reached EV sales shares of around 40%, overtaking levels seen in the UK and the EU.
Indonesia has reached 15% this year, surpassing the US for the first time. Thailand has reached 20% and has sold more EVs in the first three quarters of 2025 than Denmark. In Latin America, Uruguay has reached a 27% EV share, roughly in line with the EU.
25% of new cars sold globally in 2025 were EVs – here's who bought them
More than 25% of new cars sold globally in 2025 are now EVs, according to new analysis from energy think tank Ember.
electrek.co
This is grossly misleading. China and the Asian markets are buy hybrids, not EVs. Two very different things.That would be incorrect. Facts:
There are now 39 countries where EVs make up more than 10% of new car sales, compared with just four in 2019.
Singapore and Vietnam have reached EV sales shares of around 40%, overtaking levels seen in the UK and the EU.
Indonesia has reached 15% this year, surpassing the US for the first time. Thailand has reached 20% and has sold more EVs in the first three quarters of 2025 than Denmark. In Latin America, Uruguay has reached a 27% EV share, roughly in line with the EU.
25% of new cars sold globally in 2025 were EVs – here's who bought them
More than 25% of new cars sold globally in 2025 are now EVs, according to new analysis from energy think tank Ember.
Ember, formerly Sandbag, is an independent global energy think tank that uses data and policy to accelerate the clean energy transition.[1][2][3][4][5] Headquartered in the UK,[6] the organisation was launched in 2008 by Bryony Worthington.
is that because we'll be underwater by then? sorry, had to
you realize the adoption rates across the Western world simply do not support this
I think EV is the wrong way to go, we should use the Toyota approach of hydrogen fuel cells but alas, not happening as oil is cheap, oil is everywhere, infrastructure for oil base fuels is everywhere.
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New Jersey on average consumes 590,425 GWh of electricity annually. New Jersey produces 5,033 GWh of solar annually and 373 GWh from wind power annually.
Fastest growing? Yeah, when you go from 2500 GWh to 5000 GWh that's a 50% increase like they're touting, but it still doesn't put a dent into 590,425 GWh. Or how about you don't build any new power plants or even shut them down like NJ and only build wind and solar? That'll skew the stats quite a bit into fastest growing but still gets you d*ck to 590,425.
You know your stat is misleading and you also know exactly why I said it's a failed experiment.
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you are way smarter than thisThat would be incorrect. Facts:
There are now 39 countries where EVs make up more than 10% of new car sales, compared with just four in 2019.
Singapore and Vietnam have reached EV sales shares of around 40%, overtaking levels seen in the UK and the EU.
Indonesia has reached 15% this year, surpassing the US for the first time. Thailand has reached 20% and has sold more EVs in the first three quarters of 2025 than Denmark. In Latin America, Uruguay has reached a 27% EV share, roughly in line with the EU.
25% of new cars sold globally in 2025 were EVs – here's who bought them
More than 25% of new cars sold globally in 2025 are now EVs, according to new analysis from energy think tank Ember.
adoption and sales are fundamentally different. Most of Europe is in the 4% range for adoption. Sales don't matter because Europe isn't built like the rest of the world for transit and has a cluster based model for habitat. Europe accounts for over 1/3 of all EV adoption and Europe accts for less than 6% of the world's population. Of that more than half is gov't related adoption. China too is cluster focused so it's skewed.
now when you look at car sales, 3 of the top 10 in sales are Europe with declining YoY total sales numbers. Those numbers include roughly 4% non gov't sales. China is number 1 is car sales with half being EV.
Now when we look further into it, China isn't buying pure EV, they are mixed/hybrid models which are roughly half the 'ev' sales.
I could go on but you get the point. Of course each market is different but none of this paints a rosey picture for global adoption of EV sales at any rate that would suggest diamonds in the sky
are people actually hyping windmills?
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looks like people are really misinformed on energy consumption for energy production. Each windmill takes over 2 decades to break even on total energy inputs vs outputs.
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looks like people are really misinformed on energy consumption for energy production. Each windmill takes over 2 decades to break even on total energy inputs vs outputs.
if I could fully charge in 5 minutes with 1k range or have the ability to swap hydro cells, and not have any issues with heat/cold, I'd buy one
I didn’t mislead, you misunderstood.
49% of new generation that was added last year in the US was solar, when adjusting for capacity factors of different generation sources. 90% of overall nameplate capacity was wind and solar. I didn’t mention growth rates - though they are astonishing. Even more so when you look at China.
I mentioned system costs in my response as a caveat to the LCOE stat. If were trying to mislead, I would have just pointed to the the LCOE.
Not being an ***, but do you know anything at all about RTO/ISOs and power markets?
Power consumed in NJ is often produced outside of the state - and has been for a while. Wind and solar provide about 7% of power in PJM and that is expected to double next year. PJM also has the highest concentration of data centers in the world.
What car do you currently have that gets 1K miles on a single tank?
I actually think PHEV in the near term is a better strategy for US automakers than BEVs alone. I’m not a fan of increasing fuel efficiency standards as I’d rather see them pour capex into the future than wasting money on a product staring down obsolescence.
No. China buys more BEVs than PHEVs and has every year since 2015. However, 2024 PHEV grew at faster rate.
I used to be much more bullish on hydrogen, and as someone who spent much of his career in oil and gas, was hoping it would be a like for like replacement for methane. But there are a lot of big challenges there - I do hope they can get solved.