OT: Haze from the fires
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Are you trying to imply that yesterday's severe weather alert was no big deal just because it did not affect you? That's a pretty poor sample size and I have a good bunch of patients I spoke with yesterday and today who would like to dispute what you say. The statement above is kind of a deja vu moment in regards to your viewpoint when that strange virus rolled through here three years ago.
Let no event get wasted. We've been having forest fires for centuries.
Honestly, without being hyperbolic, it really seems to me that many of these people are sociopathic in that they seem to completely lack one shred of sympathy or empathy for other humans. They get angry, which sociopaths do, but they are utterly heartless and flippant about others suffering or dying and seem to be completely baffled why people would have concern.
Speaking of balls dropping, there's this tragic accident.
I stand corrected and apologies. But the point is a larger one. People gotta get out of their silos and not act like experts when they're not. You aren't in that category based on what yours above - but it's a legit problem way beyond forest fighting. People take one data point from one article and all of a sudden they're an expert.
Actually that number is known by jurisdiction and it’s depressing to see the difference between needs and accomplishments dire to the previously stated obstacles.
Thanks Koleszar. I have been a firefighter early in my career, but spent most time as a federal Forest manager at the local, regional and National levels. As with most on this board I remain current in my field and passionate about this topic.
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Well, I worked my *** off for 31 years after grad school so I could retire at 57 and play disc golf, go to concerts, travel, take day trips all over NJ/NYC/PA, play poker, watch TV, volunteer, hang out with friends and family - and yes, sit behind a laptop in my AC and eat well in fancy restaurants (and not so fancy joints). And I actually provide useful and generally accurate info on any number of scientific topics. You add nothing of value to this board. 1-0.
Yes we have, but we've had far more recently, and global warming is certainly the most logical cause; see my post earlier on this.
It's kind of hilarious how much of an expert you are here on this very specific topic. I love this board. Continues to amaze.
California has stepped up prescribed burns. The propagandists and conspiracy nutters may say otherwise, but they are wrong.
Well, it started with people claiming both places stopped prescribed burns altogether, which is completely untrue. I wish people would at least not spread things that are completely false. Not enough and stopped are very different.
* “That’s no moon, it’s space station.”
Things must be fine. Tugboats are out playing tonight.
That’s the big boat from Marine 1, the 343.
Here are some specs:
It truly is the Battlestar Galactica of fireboats (*which is why I went with the reference). The power those things can put out is amazing.
One 4th of July pre-covid I was in charge of protecting the Brooklyn Bridge from the pyrotechnics associated with the event. Sure enough toward the end of the show one of fireworks caused the bridge to catch on fire. Nothing major but enough we had to do something.
Underneath in the East River was the 343 circling like a huge great white shark or a Kraken just waiting to use their full power to douse the flames. They kept asking me over the radio…”We’re here, right underneath and ready to go.”
I kept saying, “Standby 343, we got it.” Hoping we did. And we put it out. I didn’t want the chance of being blown off the bridge. LOL
They really wanted to use their 5” monitors to 1.) put it out and 2.) impress the ladies on the shoreline. LOL
Side note, being that close the show was amazing. The sights and sounds…wow. Pictures don’t do it justice. And the concussion from the fireworks you could really feel in your chest.
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Thought it was well known about @RUforester72 . He is a board legend. Click his avatar for a great picture.
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It wasnt bad for me yesterday
Remember i work with swamp *** when its 100
I work when wind chills are zero
I work in rainstorms with wet feet
I have to smell nasty chemicals that elitists put on their lawns
So Yesterday was nothing compared to that
So go and continue to be the biggest fraud here in the football board
The Alaska fire I mentioned earlier I was in the Finance Section of my IMT (Incident Management Team) and in charge of COST.Thought it was well known about @RUforester72 . He is a board legend. Click his avatar for a great picture.
Air ops at a wildland fire, as @RUforester72 can tell you, are VERY expensive. So much so as you’re tracking the cost and doing your budgeting you think to yourself…maybe I should buy a plane and rent it out the the Feds. Because you know we’re going to pay you.
* “That’s no moon, it’s space station.”
That’s the big boat from Marine 1, the 343.
Here are some specs:
It truly is the Battlestar Galactica of fireboats (*which is why I went with the reference). The power those things can put out is amazing.
One 4th of July pre-covid I was in charge of protecting the Brooklyn Bridge from the pyrotechnics associated with the event. Sure enough toward the end of the show one of fireworks caused the bridge to catch on fire. Nothing major but enough we had to do something.
Underneath in the East River was the 343 circling like a huge great white shark or a Kraken just waiting to use their full power to douse the flames. They kept asking me over the radio…”We’re here, right underneath and ready to go.”
I kept saying, “Standby 343, we got it.” Hoping we did. And we put it out. I didn’t want the chance of being blown off the bridge. LOL
They really wanted to use their 5” monitors to 1.) put it out and 2.) impress the ladies on the shoreline. LOL
Side note, being that close the show was amazing. The sights and sounds…wow. Pictures don’t do it justice. And the concussion from the fireworks you could really feel in your chest.
Anything related to tonight’s fireworks?
Don't knock it until you try it. It's fun, it's good exercise, it's nearly free, it's social and it's not stuffy and nutty expensive like ball golf. One of the fastest growing sports in the world - I think it's taken over from kick boxing as the sport of the future (name that movie reference).
https://www.sportspromedia.com/feat...orts-governance-control/?zephr_sso_ott=I1jgTo
And assuming you're just busting balls, if you've never seen the shot heard round the world for the sport, I think you'll appreciate it from a pure sporting drama perspective. James Conrad making this shot on the last hole of the tourney (a "major" tourney) to tie the leader and best player in the world, Paul McBeth (and then going on to win in sudden death) was pretty cool.
The criticism of your eariler post has nothing to do with whether it was bad for you or not. It wasn't bad for me either, so you're not alone. The issue is your complete inability to have even the slightest bit of concern or empathy for fellow humans who might actually suffer under conditions dangerous to them. That's what makes you such a friggin' tool.
I can't match experience with you and @RUforester72 . I did take a a course in Forest Firefighting at Rutgers. Ran a bunch of brush and woods fires in NJ and elsewhere in the 1980s-2000's, but someone killed all the trees and brush where the brush/woods fires used to be here in NJ. We have a few small ones nowadays, but thanks to NJ's outstanding controlled burn strategy in our wooded areas, large fires are rare in our district and surrounding area.
Sedona, Flagstaff and surrounding areas are quite active. @RUforester72 spent some time around Sedona/Flag.
We get to see some interesting firefighting equipment out there sometimes.
That area is covered by the Southwest Area IMT
Great bunch of people. They were one, if not the first, group of outsiders who showed up after 9/11. Think they got on one of the last planes allowed to fly.
They came, waited patiently and when they had the chance gave their elevator pitch on how they could help.
The FDNY IMT is as good as we are now (and we are really good) because of the assistance of the Southwest Area Team’s teachings and friendship. Salt of the earth and great Americans.
I was the Forest Supervisor in Flagstaff then. We got the call to dispatch the team, creating a pretty serious dilemma (insignificant ompared to what NYC was facing) in that we were in the midst of a bad fire season. We made some tough decisions on who goes and who does not and it worked out OK.
We (US Forest Service) also sent a team from the Northwest, supporting work around the site, some of whom are showing signs of serious illness now.
Long story best told over adult beverages.
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Are you going to cry?
At least he didn't dispatch the brine trucks
Were there thunderstorms May 27-29 in northern Quebec? It's the middle of nowhere so the station coverage isn't great, but Val D'Or doesn't show rainfall. But the satellite animations show some cold cloud tops. Dry thunderstorms? Lightning causes 50% of wildfires, and arson accounts for 21% (debris burning is 29%).
Lebel-sur-Quevillon shows rain on May 23, but the fires started days later. I don't get it.
My dad was a fireman (Bloomfield), but the folks fighting forest fires are on an other level. Living in California gives me an appreciation for their hard work and bravery.
A good movie that documents what wildland firefighters' lives are like is Only the Brave, the story of the Granite Mountain Hotshots from Prescott, AZ. 19 Hotshots perished on June 13, 2013 in the Yarnell Hill Fire, all but one, the crew leader, Eric Marsh, were in the 20's and 30's.
My post from earlier, above, features a video analysis which makes a damn good case for lightning. It's very well done.
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