OT: Is Twitter now blocked for those who don't have an account?

[Knight Shift]

Seems to work for quite a few.

I don’t understand it either.

It's the way for a lot of people, unfortunately.

Most of the problem is the New Media business model.

More and more all of the online outlets - including the majors with presence on television - have abandoned career journalists in favor of glorified bloggers as they look to cut costs. The net result is that nobody is asking relevant questions.

I didn't actually hear the Walensky quote in real time - i.e. absent all of the editing that invariably happens as one side looks to spin a remark to fit their narrative - but if it's accurate, it's absurd enough that someone in the room should have immediately pressed for clarification.

The simple fact is that no one in the industry could have made that claim. In the 2 years that I spent in J&J's clinical trial it was repeatedly made clear that vaccinated patients a) could get Covid and b) could infect others.

The advantage of vaccines, in a very practical sense, has always been "reduce virulence so as to reduce severe illness and death".

So she's an idiot and said a stupid thing. But this MAGA appropriation of stupid things as a means to claim some sinister plot or intentional misleading of the public... It's logically inexplicable. It's pandering to the lowest common denominator for the sake of some votes and that sort of behavior is despicable, regardless of who's doing it.

She's on record for saying multiple stupid things. Not sure what the MAGA point is though. Many non-MAGA people were appalled by her string of misinformation, some accusing her of lies. We will never know that, and it really does not matter at this point. She's gone, but should have been gone much sooner.

But we agree on the advantage of vaccines. You know that I quickly got mine and the boosters, because I did not want to see this world or this board live without me. I have too many people I need to annoy a bit longer.

EDIT- BTW, I started questioning the talking heads of government in the mid 1980's and doing it ever since. You know, things like WMDs in Iraq, read my lips, no new taxes, etc, etc, etc. It used to be a healthy endeavor to question authority. However, both sides now scream and call you names should you question THEIR authority. Sad.

 

[RUScrew85]

It must be nice to be able to burn 10s of billions of dollars and not even feel a touch let alone a pinch lol.

Why do it?

Is it just a heroic attempt to secure free speech on Twitter or something else?

 

[MADHAT1]

Save the characterizations of me, pal. I have no agenda. Unlike the mass of puppets who believe the narrative spewed by "news" organization, some of us are smart enough to discern data and statistics to figure out when we are being told lies. Many people are quite aware of the use of Twitter to spread misinformation. Exhibit A- the former CDC Director, and good riddance to her:

https://maryannedemasi.substack.com/p/walenskys-hypocritical-exit-from

mistakes happen, but believing in science isn't a bad thing if it's not being
spun to fit an agenda.
What she claimed, and I don;t belive a mistake but following an agenda, was debunked and rightfully so.
What she did was make it harder for many to understand sometimes science
will look at something with what's kn own at the time and make recommendations based of what info is currently available.
But when more knowledge of the subject is gained, a different recomadation might be the result, having people disbelieve everything and go by what tweeter and other social media "experts" claim

 

[MADHAT1]

Why do it?

Is it just a heroic attempt to secure free speech on Twitter or something else?

could be push your agenda and damm everything else .

 

[RUScrew85]

Most of the problem is the New Media business model.

More and more all of the online outlets - including the majors with presence on television - have abandoned career journalists in favor of glorified bloggers as they look to cut costs. The net result is that nobody is asking relevant questions.

I didn't actually hear the Walensky quote in real time - i.e. absent all of the editing that invariably happens as one side looks to spin a remark to fit their narrative - but if it's accurate, it's absurd enough that someone in the room should have immediately pressed for clarification.

The simple fact is that no one in the industry could have made that claim. In the 2 years that I spent in J&J's clinical trial it was repeatedly made clear that vaccinated patients a) could get Covid and b) could infect others.

The advantage of vaccines, in a very practical sense, has always been "reduce virulence so as to reduce severe illness and death".

So she's an idiot and said a stupid thing. But this MAGA appropriation of stupid things as a means to claim some sinister plot or intentional misleading of the public... It's logically inexplicable. It's pandering to the lowest common denominator for the sake of some votes and that sort of behavior is despicable, regardless of who's doing it.

Sure thing. All those improper facts were an oversight on someone's part. LOL. And the Right just over reacted to the continued factual errors because they're stupid. SMH.

"Regardless of who's doing it"? Get a mirror.

 

[Knight Shift]

mistakes happen, but believing in science isn't a bad thing if it's not being
spun to fit an agenda.
What she claimed, and I don;t belive a mistake but following an agenda, was debunked and rightfully so.
What she did was make it harder for many to understand sometimes science
will look at something with what's kn own at the time and make recommendations based of what info is currently available.
But when more knowledge of the subject is gained, a different recomadation might be the result, having people disbelieve everything and go by what tweeter and other social media "experts" claim

Not really sure of what you are trying to say, but you sound like rutgersal defending the record of the next two football seasons.
My business is rooted in science. I deal with it every single day. I have a particularly keen sense from 25 years of questioning scientists on their discoveries, asking them to explain their conclusions, asking for further proof and also showing where others' discoveries were not grounded in sound science or misinterpretation of data.

 

[NewJerseyGuy]

Sure thing. All those improper facts were an oversight on someone's part. LOL. And the Right just over reacted to the continued factual errors because they're stupid. SMH.

"Regardless of who's doing it"? Get a mirror.

Seems like victim-blaming

 

[mildone_rivals]

Time for a thread ban?

Translation: people keep laughing at the conspiracy theorists which is hurting my feelings, please make them stop.

Ironic that you want to censor someone, considering the gist of this thread.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

Why do it?

Is it just a heroic attempt to secure free speech on Twitter or something else?

Because he acts like an impetuous kid sometimes and just tweets things as jokes or non seriously but but also can run into problems because of this impulsivity like mentioned above.

He tried to get out of the deal but the twitter board and former CEO sued him in court and compelled him to follow through on the deal because there were no material non disclosures. They didn't like him but they knew it was a sweetheart price for the company and made sure it went through.

As I said he's got money to burn, so what does it matter to him. If anything it's just a distraction from Tesla or SpaceX and an unnecessary one at that.

 

[MADHAT1]

Not really sure of what you are trying to say, but you sound like rutgersal defending the record of the next two football seasons.
My business is rooted in science. I deal with it every single day. I have a particularly keen sense from 25 years of questioning scientists on their discoveries, asking them to explain their conclusions, asking for further proof and also showing where others' discoveries were not grounded in sound science or misinterpretation of data.

I'm saying it's right to question, but realize what's known now can change when more info becomes available on the subject.
Just because a stance changes doesn't mean the source can't be trusted.
What can't be trusted is thew ones that don't change this opinion after new information becomes available and they want to use outdated materal as what should be used
As new facts become known , old ones go out the window and that's a good thing because changes do happen and if you ignore new information on any issue you're bound to give bad advice.

Sort of like when the earth was discovered to be round the saying you'll fall off the world if you go to far became just a joke and not a valid warning.

Conspiracy theories are not my thing, but some people no matter how intelligent they seem to be, are prone to believing them and no one can get them to stop being fooled .
When it comes to science and the ever changing scientific world of information, conspiracy theorists have a field day bring up old findings, based on info available back then, when science uses the latest information that changes what they see.
Making some people trust bad advice over scientific findings because science uses the latest facts in a never ending quest for knowledge about issues they are looking at.

 

[RU4Real]

It's the way for a lot of people, unfortunately.

She's on record for saying multiple stupid things. Not sure what the MAGA point is though. Many non-MAGA people were appalled by her string of misinformation, some accusing her of lies. We will never know that, and it really does not matter at this point. She's gone, but should have been gone much sooner.

But we agree on the advantage of vaccines. You know that I quickly got mine and the boosters, because I did not want to see this world or this board live without me. I have too many people I need to annoy a bit longer.

EDIT- BTW, I started questioning the talking heads of government in the mid 1980's and doing it ever since. You know, things like WMDs in Iraq, read my lips, no new taxes, etc, etc, etc. It used to be a healthy endeavor to question authority. However, both sides now scream and call you names should you question THEIR authority. Sad.

I have ALWAYS defended GHWB for the "no new taxes" thing.

Reagan's tax code modifications nearly bankrupted the government. When Bush made that promise, the results of the Reagan econ philosophy (btw, if you still believe that "trickle down" is anything other than stupid then you should sit out on Election Days) were still as yet to be determined.

When the **** finally did hit the fan, Bush was left with 2 choices - either raise tax rates or massively cut government services. He chose the former - effectively choosing a loss in the General over the devastating impact of recession plus austerity.

The WMD thing was silly. I'd like to think, in a perfect world, our elected leaders could lead frank discussions about why they feel going to war is necessary and let the court of public opinion judge them fairly. I was ambivalent about the Iraq invasion. On the one hand, I knew it would be costly in terms of resources and lives. On the other hand, I'm completely aligned with the "fight them there so we don't have to fight them here" mentality. The intel community knew with absolute certainty that an invasion of Iraq would spawn a massive influx of jihadists who the U.S. military could slaughter indiscriminately - and contrary to what some on the Left would have you believe, religious martyrs are NOT an endless commodity. It is entirely possible to kill every last one of them.

Bush II should have left it at that. It would have been perfectly fine to say "Saddam has supported terrorism in the past and will no doubt seek to support terrorism in the future. He has, additionally, committed numerous atrocities against religious and ethnic minorities within his own borders and we know with a high degree of certainty that he seeks possession of weapons of mass destruction. For this reason, we are going to kill him."

I would have loved that. It's not what we got - to the detriment of not only the success of the mission but the reputation of State and DoD.

As for Walensky, it's unfortunately true that patronage and payback results in hugely unqualified people being given offices of great responsibility. She probably never should have had the job in the first place. But that's not party-specific, either.

 

[RU4Real]

Sure thing. All those improper facts were an oversight on someone's part. LOL. And the Right just over reacted to the continued factual errors because they're stupid. SMH.

"Regardless of who's doing it"? Get a mirror.

Do us all a favor and cite specific examples or shut your stupid *** right the f*ck up.

You and your buddy like to say **** without actually saying anything. Maybe it makes you feel smart. I don't know. But it's tiresome.

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

When it's a national security issue it should be stopped. When its a company stopping opinions or censoring stuff the US government doesn't want its citizens discussing or goes against the governments narrative, then its censorship. And lots of evidence out there showing this. Take a moment and read the Twitter files.

That's true.

Like the evidence a sex abuser who was tossed from office reached out to Twitter to get mean tweets by Chrissy Teigen taken down.

Of course, Musk tried to cover up that story and it was left out of the disinfo files you reference.

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

This post is full of crap and disinformation and there are receipts to prove your wring about censorship arbout covid and political matters'as'well as social issues

Sure bud.

Who asked for Chrissy Teigen's tweets to be taken down again?

Was it in the report from the guy who was locking up everyone who sent exactly 0 people to jail?

 

[e5fdny]

negotiating payment for less, the old if you take less now and I'll pay on time from here on out..
Getting part of what is owed now and keeping a customer, seems to be the idea

I’m talking about people just not paying their bills.

How do they live like that? How do you call yourself an adult?

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

Willfully ignorant- nope. Whiff for you.
You spewed plenty of hatred, but no facts. Another whiff.
For the record, I am indifferent on Musk. I couldn't care what happens to him or his businesses. All I know is that a lot of wacky stuff was uncovered in the Twitter files by independent journalists. Stuff that should concern anyone who likes free speech. But when people get their narratives from MSM, CNN, NYT, etc, they get brainwashed with a different narrative.

There's only one politician who asked for a tweet to be taken down for making a political point he didn't like.

The point was made by Chrissy Teigen and was left out of the "Twitter files."

Which isn't surprising, considering Taibi isn't a real journalist, but rather a Putin worshipper best known for writing about daliances with Moscow hookers. Schellenberger is a failed politician who never won a vote. And Bari Weiss tried to open a fake university which seems to be going nowhere.

When people get their narratives from hustlers like Musk and Taibi, they miss the facts. And that's forgetting the actual and consequential censorship going in on crudholes like Florida every day.

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

Most of the problem is the New Media business model.

More and more all of the online outlets - including the majors with presence on television - have abandoned career journalists in favor of glorified bloggers as they look to cut costs. The net result is that nobody is asking relevant questions.

I didn't actually hear the Walensky quote in real time - i.e. absent all of the editing that invariably happens as one side looks to spin a remark to fit their narrative - but if it's accurate, it's absurd enough that someone in the room should have immediately pressed for clarification.

The simple fact is that no one in the industry could have made that claim. In the 2 years that I spent in J&J's clinical trial it was repeatedly made clear that vaccinated patients a) could get Covid and b) could infect others.

The advantage of vaccines, in a very practical sense, has always been "reduce virulence so as to reduce severe illness and death".

So she's an idiot and said a stupid thing. But this MAGA appropriation of stupid things as a means to claim some sinister plot or intentional misleading of the public... It's logically inexplicable. It's pandering to the lowest common denominator for the sake of some votes and that sort of behavior is despicable, regardless of who's doing it.

And ironically, they're killing their own fans. Herman Cain one among many.

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

I’m talking about people just not paying their bills.

How do they live like that? How do you call yourself an adult?

According to one side, if you're the son of a South African diamond mine owner or son of a developer who earned less developing than he would have in a money market account, not paying bills makes you smart and a genius worthy of cult worship.

OTOH if you work a minimum wage and are a single mom and are late on your bills, we should know why you have a smart phone and EBT card an should be the subject of public ridicule.

And if you're a middle class person happy to pay all your bills, know it's the single mom who is the problem, not the guy who pays no taxes and bankrupted mom and pop businesses by not paying bills when building your soon-to-fail properties.

 

[MADHAT1]

I’m talking about people just not paying their bills.

How do they live like that? How do you call yourself an adult?

not being able to pay is bad, but the ones that can afford to pay what they legitimately owe and refuse to do so unless lender agrees to pay less in order to keep from going to court or turning bill over to a collection company are rotten butt-wipes .
Some consider doing that good business and , in my opinion, a disgusting way to do business

 

[e5fdny]

According to one side, if you're the son of a South African diamond mine owner or son of a developer who earned less developing than he would have in a money market account, not paying bills makes you smart and a genius worthy of cult worship.

OTOH if you work a minimum wage and are a single mom and are late on your bills, we should know why you have a smart phone and EBT card an should be the subject of public ridicule.

And if you're a middle class person happy to pay all your bills, know it's the single mom who is the problem, not the guy who pays no taxes and bankrupted mom and pop businesses by not paying bills when building your soon-to-fail properties.

Everyone should pay their bills.

If you can’t afford it, you shouldn’t have it to begin with.

 

[Big East Beast]

I'll put what I said another way then, growing subscribers and luring more eyeballs is the primary goal of the social media giants. That in turn drives ad revenue and also provides the data they can gather, bundle and sell to aggregators and whomever else is interested.

The point is that fostering or even permitting widespread institutional political bias in moderation or filtering would alienate large numbers of current or potential users which runs counter to any social media business model. Makes no sense.

Ironically, that could theoretically all change if enough viable competitors to twitter and FB surface. Because, in that case much like as happened with cable news, it's not hard to see political leans emerge and eventually take over. Then, like the cable news networks have found, having a rabidly partisan user base might wind up being the best way to maintain a healthy "inventory" of users.

But for now, it's not a thing despite the politically obsessed delightedly hallucinating about it.

not being able to pay is bad, but the ones that can afford to pay what they legitimately owe and refuse to do so unless lender agrees to pay less in order to keep from going to court or turning bill over to a collection company are rotten butt-wipes .
Some consider doing that good business and , in my opinion, a disgusting way to do business

yes - or big corps that treat their vendors like banks. Some insist on 180 day payment terms or large amounts of uncompensated work as part of the bid process on the idea that it’s a privilege to do business with them.

Musk told the SEC to go F themselves. Does anyone think he’s going to comply with AWS demands for timely payment?

 

[mildone_rivals]

Because he acts like an impetuous kid sometimes and just tweets things as jokes or non seriously but but also can run into problems because of this impulsivity like mentioned above.

He tried to get out of the deal but the twitter board and former CEO sued him in court and compelled him to follow through on the deal because there were no material non disclosures. They didn't like him but they knew it was a sweetheart price for the company and made sure it went through.

As I said he's got money to burn, so what does it matter to him. If anything it's just a distraction from Tesla or SpaceX and an unnecessary one at that.

Agreed, 100%. Musk strikes me as a brilliant person but, perhaps due to his immense wealth, he allows what appears to be impulsiveness, perhaps blended with some overconfidence in his own abilities, to lead him into head-scratching bad decisions.

To be fair, if I had $200B, I'd probably have some of the same weakness(es). Hard not to, I would guess.

 

[RU_DIO]

That's true.

Like the evidence a sex abuser who was tossed from office reached out to Twitter to get mean tweets by Chrissy Teigen taken down.

Of course, Musk tried to cover up that story and it was left out of the disinfo files you reference.

Sure. Like that.

But was Musk running Twitter during the height of Covid? Was Musk running Twitter during the Hunter scandal which polls suggest would have buried Biden in the 2020 election. The story was squashed.

 

[fsg2_rivals]

Agreed, 100%. Musk strikes me as a brilliant person but, perhaps due to his immense wealth, he allows what appears to be impulsiveness, perhaps blended with some overconfidence in his own abilities, to lead him into head-scratching bad decisions.

To be fair, if I had $200B, I'd probably have some of the same weakness(es). Hard not to, I would guess.

Nah, you'd die of OD and/or gonorrhea after your celebratory $200 bil party.

 

[RU_DIO]

Most of the problem is the New Media business model.

More and more all of the online outlets - including the majors with presence on television - have abandoned career journalists in favor of glorified bloggers as they look to cut costs. The net result is that nobody is asking relevant questions.

I didn't actually hear the Walensky quote in real time - i.e. absent all of the editing that invariably happens as one side looks to spin a remark to fit their narrative - but if it's accurate, it's absurd enough that someone in the room should have immediately pressed for clarification.

The simple fact is that no one in the industry could have made that claim. In the 2 years that I spent in J&J's clinical trial it was repeatedly made clear that vaccinated patients a) could get Covid and b) could infect others.

The advantage of vaccines, in a very practical sense, has always been "reduce virulence so as to reduce severe illness and death".

So she's an idiot and said a stupid thing. But this MAGA appropriation of stupid things as a means to claim some sinister plot or intentional misleading of the public... It's logically inexplicable. It's pandering to the lowest common denominator for the sake of some votes and that sort of behavior is despicable, regardless of who's doing it.

Shes an idiot and said a stupid thing?

She made the claim and it was parroted by major liberal news organizations. She never came out and said she mispoke. Why?

There are clips of Rachel Maddow and others saying it.

 

[RU4Real]

Shes an idiot and said a stupid thing?

She made the claim and it was parroted by major liberal news organizations. She never came out and said she mispoke. Why?

There are clips of Rachel Maddow and others saying it.

And that is also stupid.

 

[bac2therac]

Also Biden

 

[Knight Owl]

Zuckerberg is coming for Elon in more ways than one. Meta is developing a Tweet machine right now.
Elon should have paid maybe $420 million for Twitter and not a penny more.

 

[LETSGORU91_]

What's a Twitter???

 

[DJ Spanky]

What's a Twitter???

I don't know, but people keep posting tweeters about recruiting.

 

[Rutgers Chris]

Agreed, 100%. Musk strikes me as a brilliant person but, perhaps due to his immense wealth, he allows what appears to be impulsiveness, perhaps blended with some overconfidence in his own abilities, to lead him into head-scratching bad decisions.

To be fair, if I had $200B, I'd probably have some of the same weakness(es). Hard not to, I would guess.

That what makes him a genius also makes him a liability at times

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

https://www.reuters.com/technology/meta-launch-twitter-like-app-threads-2023-07-04/

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/elon-musk-takes-aim-metas-104255144.html

 

[bac2therac]

very significant and further confirmation of twitter files

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bi...mendment-covid-19-pandemic-federal-judge-says

 

[mildone_rivals]

very significant and further confirmation of twitter files

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bi...mendment-covid-19-pandemic-federal-judge-says

Ooooh, it‘s another MEMO.

What percentage of all Twitter internal communications did the “Twitter files” comprise, Bac?

What’s that? You don’t have any idea? You’re saying that, as far as you know, it’s 0.0005% and someone could similarly sift through the remaining 99.9995% and pull out cases where employees are discussing filtering disinformation that targets people all over the political/ideological spectrum? Or even, gasp, filtering the free speech of foreign fake/bot accounts, which aren’t political in nature and aren’t protected by the US constitution at all?

By golly Bac, that’s mighty clear-minded of you. Glad to see you employ critical thought instead of being like one of those weirdo flaky conspiracy theorists with tremendous persecution complexes.

 

[Ty Webb_rivals67856]

Sure thing. All those improper facts were an oversight on someone's part. LOL. And the Right just over reacted to the continued factual errors because they're stupid. SMH.

"Regardless of who's doing it"? Get a mirror.

Millions on the right stil believe the 2020 election was stolen. So I wouldn't be planting my flag on the idea that "the right" wouldn't overreacted to continued factual errors.

2020 until now with the pandemic, election, etc. really brought out the stupid in all of us.

 

[bac2therac]

Ooooh, it‘s another MEMO.

What percentage of all Twitter internal communications did the “Twitter files” comprise, Bac?

What’s that? You don’t have any idea? You’re saying that, as far as you know, it’s 0.0005% and someone could similarly sift through the remaining 99.9995% and pull out cases where employees are discussing filtering disinformation that targets people all over the political/ideological spectrum? Or even, gasp, filtering the free speech of foreign fake/bot accounts, which aren’t political in nature and aren’t protected by the US constitution at all?

By golly Bac, that’s mighty clear-minded of you. Glad to see you employ critical thought instead of being like one of those weirdo flaky conspiracy theorists with tremendous persecution complexes.

Not interested in a debate with someone talking out their *** and not educated on the facts and docs thatcame out

 

[Ty Webb_rivals67856]

very significant and further confirmation of twitter files

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bi...mendment-covid-19-pandemic-federal-judge-says

Judge in question was a guy who blocked vaccine mandates using false information about vaccines and cited a discredited doctor in his ruling.

I suspect we will see a quick appeal on this current ruling.

I find the whole social media misinformation thing fascinating. I am sympathetic to the notion of free speech but understand that the founding fathers never intended pure free speech. I also understand that we are a nation of idiots who now will believe anything they see on social media as long as it fits in their political or social view of the world regardless of whether it's true, makes sense, etc.

Weird times.

 

[Ty Webb_rivals67856]

Your hatred is seeping through your keyboard and onto the screen. Your takes seem rooted in hatred and not in fact. I don't care about Elon Musk or his companies. The Twitter platform seems largely unchanged to me. What is amusing, however, is how many people pre-Musk were throttled, thrown in the pokey or banned for daring to question the "narrative," and now these people have largely are being seen as having had either at least very valid positions or were right along, depending on the particular person.

As I understand Musk's position, and maybe I am misunderstanding it, is that free speech means that incorrect speech can be countered by corrective speech--the marketplace of ideas. Oddly, the people who used to live and die by the First Amendment seem mortally wounded and afraid of that concept.

Except how are we to interpet when Musk suppresses speech he doesn't like? Which by the way, as owner of Twitter and it being a private company, he's within his rights to do.

The reality is Musk is largely full of **** when talks about pure free speech, etc. He'll turn the screws when he needs to, when it might benefit him, etc. I am actually surprised how many people really believe him and aren't cynical about his stewardship.

 

[mildone_rivals]

Not interested in a debate with someone talking out their *** and not educated on the facts and docs thatcame out

I have no trouble at all believing you're not interested in a debate with me, Bac.

 

[RUScrew85]

Millions on the right stil believe the 2020 election was stolen. So I wouldn't be planting my flag on the idea that "the right" wouldn't overreacted to continued factual errors.

2020 until now with the pandemic, election, etc. really brought out the stupid in all of us.

81 million votes - more than our savior obama! Hidden vote "counting". Stopped vote counting. Found votes 100% for biden. Mail in ballot harvesting. Refusal to implement showing ID.

LOL. Sure it was a fair election.