OT: Jeff Hafley Leaves BC

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I’ve been in both multiple times. Have you?
I don’t care what they are building. Right now it’s nicer. Miami’s weight room, they they share with all sports, is very underwhelming

I've been in Miami's. BC doesn't have the support to build what Miami is building, which is likely why Hafley peaced out. With Rutgers, Syracuse, and Maryland all having new facilities in short order, it will be very difficult for BC to recruit.

didn't care to visit BCs facility. But Pictures don't really corroborate your assertion. I don't see much of a difference.



 

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I've been in Miami's. BC doesn't have the support to build what Miami is building, which is likely why Hafley peaced out. With Rutgers, Syracuse, and Maryland all having new facilities in short order, it will be very difficult for BC to recruit.

didn't care to visit BCs facility. But Pictures don't really corroborate your assertion. I don't see much of a difference.



So in five minutes you went from BC’s facilities stink to saying they are equal to Miami even though you’ve never visited ?
 

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And how many times did it not work? It literally a one in a million play. The thing that comes out hypocritical is he get on his high horse about protecting players by banning kick off then blitzes a kneel down. If he that worried about player safety why blitz a kneel down for something that on in a million chance. I completely understand why he hates kickoffs.
Not for nothing, saw him do this all the time during 1.0. No one even said a thing until the NFL.
And do you really think anyone is getting hurt on that play?
 
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Al they have the magical $52 million indoor facility built 5 years ago that according to you poses magical recruiting powers. Remember you going on and on how it will transform Rutger’s recruiting?
it's not only the field and weight room, which they have, Its also the amenities, medical/trainers room/plunge pools which helps schools stand out. This is the baseline of what we, Big 10 Schools are competing against. PSU spent at least $55M to update Lasch.

 
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So in five minutes you went from BC’s facilities stink to saying they are equal to Miami even though you’ve never visited ?
the indoor facilities are close. However, football stadium is a laughable, and one step up from my high schools. The bottomline is Hafley is leaving because he doesn't think he can win there. Surprised to see him Bail, but I understand.
 

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Crashing a victory formation is not “clean” football. So he was just completely wrong to do it and wrong in this video.
 
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BC’s AD was the AD at Miami who fired Golden so probably won’t happen.

Golden had a record of 32-25, during a time of bowl bans and scholarship reductions. Wasn’t good enough for Miami, but is perfect for Boston College. Should have been hired at Rutgers over Chris Ash. He previously turned around Temple.
Don’t think there is a better candidate for the BC job, especially because he’s previously coached there and understands the culture and lay of the land. Al Washington, the other mentioned candidate, has no coaching experience.
 

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the indoor facilities are close. However, football stadium is a laughable, and one step up from my high schools. The bottomline is Hafley is leaving because he doesn't think he can win there. Surprised to see him Bail, but I understand.
It’s a 45,000 seat stadium smack dab in the middle of campus. Sure, it’s no comparison to a completely empty NFL stadium 45 min from campus.
 

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This decision seems to have a few layers to it. First JH leaves BC in a really bad spot If he had a desire to get out of college football given the recent trends and had connections to be confident he could find a decent job he should have bailed earlier. I know probably not realistic even if the right thing to do. While the circumstances might have been different didn't BC have a strange HC departure a few years ago with a guy who had some success and then left never to be heard from again?

While I have very little sympathy for college coaches in both football and basketball given their compensation their ability to leverage the slightest interest from another school into large unwarranted contract extensions, the fact that a relatively young guy who has had "some" success building a program would leave to take a DC position says a lot about how some no longer want to put up with all the non-coaching BS associated with being the HC at a P5 school. I continue to believe it drove the likes of Jay Wright from college basketball.

Sadly for BC is that JH may have come to the conclusion they that are never going to be much more than a 500 team in this environment given the schools academic requirements which might limit transfers in, the size of the NIL bag...etc. You have to wonder if a school like BC is "all in" on the current version of college athletics.

Would not be surprised to see more of this absent some progress to level the playing field.
 
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This decision seems to have a few layers to it. First JH leaves BC in a really bad spot If he had a desire to get out of college football given the recent trends and had connections to be confident he could find a decent job he should have bailed earlier. I know probably not realistic even if the right thing to do. While the circumstances might have been different didn't BC have a strange HC departure a few years ago with a guy who had some success and then left never to be heard from again?

While I have very little sympathy for college coaches in both football and basketball given their compensation their ability to leverage the slightest interest from another school into large unwarranted contract extensions, the fact that a relatively young guy who has had "some" success building a program would leave to take a DC position says a lot about how some no longer want to put up with all the non-coaching BS associated with being the HC at a P5 school. I continue to believe it drove the likes of Jay Wright from college basketball.

Sadly for BC is that JH may have come to the conclusion they that are never going to be much more than a 500 team in this environment given the schools academic requirements which might limit transfers in, the size of the NIL bag...etc. You have to wonder if a school like BC is "all in" on the current version of college athletics.

Would not be surprised to see more of this absent some progress to level the playing field.
That might have been part of it but also he wasn’t in a very secure position at BC too. Between the 2 things, he jumps if he has the opportunity.

I’ve mentioned the same kind of rumors in the carousel thread about Chip Kelly as OC in the NFL. Supposedly he could be part of a package if Dan Quinn gets a HC spot in the NFL. He’s been on shaky ground at UCLA as well, although I’m not sure why. His record is okay lately but they won’t fire him because of the cost and have issued statements in support of him. Nonetheless, it’s always possible he could jump too if the opportunity presents itself.
 

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That might have been part of it but also he wasn’t in a very secure position at BC too. Between the 2 things, he jumps if he has the opportunity.

I’ve mentioned the same kind of rumors in the carousel thread about Chip Kelly as OC in the NFL. Supposedly he could be part of a package if Dan Quinn gets a HC spot in the NFL. He’s been on shaky ground at UCLA as well, although I’m not sure why. His record is okay lately but they won’t fire him because of the cost and have issued statements in support of him. Nonetheless, it’s always possible he could jump too if the opportunity presents itself.
Shaky ground or not, he’s got 3 years left at you have to figure at least 4 million a year. So 12 million. He’s giving that up for what? about 1 million a year for 4 years? Think it has more to do with the BS the job security
 
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Shaky ground or not, he’s got 3 years left at you have to figure at least 4 million a year. So 12 million. He’s giving that up for what? about 1 million a year for 4 years? Think it has more to do with the BS the job security
Maybe but I think it can be a bit of both. DC for a playoff team could lead to bigger things down the line too as opposed to be shaky at BC. Once a coach already has got his first multi million dollar deal, QoL and career goals are probably as important if not more so than the absolute dollar figures.

Also doesn’t sound like much of a pay cut by the comments in the article. I don’t follow the NFL much so I dont know how much coordinators make these days.

From the article:

Hafley's position at Boston College was not secure, according to a source close to the program. He might not have made it past this season were it not for the team going 6-6 and making it to the Fenway Bowl.

Prior to that victory, BC had lost three straight conference games.

The source said Hafley had two years remaining on his contract at just under $4 million per year. His 2024 season wasn't shaping up very well because he was losing key parts of his team to graduation, the source added, and he might have been looking to get out.

It's likely his salary will be similar in Green Bay. The Packers may have to pay to buy out Hafley from his contract with Boston College.

 
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This decision seems to have a few layers to it. First JH leaves BC in a really bad spot If he had a desire to get out of college football given the recent trends and had connections to be confident he could find a decent job he should have bailed earlier. I know probably not realistic even if the right thing to do. While the circumstances might have been different didn't BC have a strange HC departure a few years ago with a guy who had some success and then left never to be heard from again?

While I have very little sympathy for college coaches in both football and basketball given their compensation their ability to leverage the slightest interest from another school into large unwarranted contract extensions, the fact that a relatively young guy who has had "some" success building a program would leave to take a DC position says a lot about how some no longer want to put up with all the non-coaching BS associated with being the HC at a P5 school. I continue to believe it drove the likes of Jay Wright from college basketball.

Sadly for BC is that JH may have come to the conclusion they that are never going to be much more than a 500 team in this environment given the schools academic requirements which might limit transfers in, the size of the NIL bag...etc. You have to wonder if a school like BC is "all in" on the current version of college athletics.

Would not be surprised to see more of this absent some progress to level the playing field.

BC has always been not much more than a .500 program. Hafley took that job with the hopes that he could build towards that special season, which would be a springboard to a blue blood program type job, such as Ohio State, Penn State, or Michigan. That wasn’t going to happen, so he decided to bail.

College head coach is a very grueling job, not for the faint of heart. Careers are short and most coaches fail. I wouldn’t doubt that he’s burned out and simply put, he got sick of the BS. Now he can go to Green Bay, and simply be a football coach. BC isn’t all in, and neither are we. But at least we are in the middle of a fertile recruiting ground, so we should be a little better than .500 most years, hopefully.

Had we not extended Schiano, I would have feared that he would have made a similar type decision. Schiano’s extension is in part for all the extra work he has to do, recruiting his own players yearly, and adding to the roster. Even Nick Saban decided to walk away. The game is a lot different than it was even a few years ago. Very difficult to succeed in todays game without lots of money.
 
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It’s a 45,000 seat stadium smack dab in the middle of campus. Sure, it’s no comparison to a completely empty NFL stadium 45 min from campus.

Miami fills it for big names like FSU, and the stadium is one of the best modern stadiums I’ve been to, nicer than MetLife, and has a very luxurious feel to it, especially if you’re sitting in the suites.

On campus stadium is an advantage, but going to school in Miami is like visiting Paradise on Earth. The school and lifestyle sells itself. Which is why Miami outrecruited most schools, even pre NIL. Miami has never had a talent problem. They’ve had coaching problems. Most importantly, they have the support of boosters who want to win, which is why they’re paying Cristobal $8M. Now some may say he’s overpaid, and they might be right, but no one can say that Miami isn’t making the effort to be the best football program it can be. From top notch coaches, to building top notch facilities to paying $2M for the best transfer QB Kam Ward, Miami is not afraid to spend money. Unlike Rutgers and BC, Miami is All In.
 

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Miami fills it for big names like FSU, and the stadium is one of the best modern stadiums I’ve been to, nicer than MetLife, and has a very luxurious feel to it, especially if you’re sitting in the suites.

On campus stadium is an advantage, but going to school in Miami is like visiting Paradise on Earth. The school and lifestyle sells itself. Which is why Miami outrecruited most schools, even pre NIL. Miami has never had a talent problem. They’ve had coaching problems. Most importantly, they have the support of boosters who want to win, which is why they’re paying Cristobal $8M. Now some may say he’s overpaid, and they might be right, but no one can say that Miami isn’t making the effort to be the best football program it can be. From top notch coaches, to building top notch facilities to paying $2M for the best transfer QB Kam Ward, Miami is not afraid to spend money. Unlike Rutgers and BC, Miami is All In.
You mean FSU fans fill the stadium. This using an argument saying Miami isn’t all in. It’s pointing out that once again you were talking out your *** with no real knowledge
Kid of like saying Al golden would kill it there. Based on what? Some thing he did at temple 10 years ago?
 
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You mean FSU fans fill the stadium. This using an argument saying Miami isn’t all in. It’s pointing out that once again you were talking out your *** with no real knowledge
Kid of like saying Al golden would kill it there. Based on what? Some thing he did at temple 10 years ago?

I have more knowledge on the situation because I went to Miami and you didn’t. I went to classes, used their facilities, and got to know many of their football players, which is why I’m better versed in their culture and value proposition.

When Miami is good, their fans will show up and dominate the attendance. But Yes, Miami has fairweather fans, but so does Boston College. Miami’s fans will be all in once they start winning. For now, their boosters and the school are all in which is good enough for now.

You didn’t go to either school, which is ironically why you’re posting out of your own fat ***.
But You visited on your daughters recruiting trip, so you think that makes you an expert. Fair enough.

You asserting that BC has a better football value proposition than Miami is eight jokes in one. Everyone else knows better, because the historical results say otherwise.

Al Golden turning around Temple was one of the greatest coaching jobs I’ve ever seen and not unlike what Greg Schiano did at Rutgers. He has the requisite skillset to be successful at Boston College and his resume is much stronger than any other candidate I’ve seen. 32-25 at Miami is good enough for Boston College. It also doesn’t hurt that he’s previously coached at Boston College, as an assistant, and been a head coach. And his previous BC recruiting results were strong. Lastly, he understands the BC culture, and knows what it takes to be successful there, so he’ll have the right strategy from go. Whereas a coach like Chris Ash was utterly clueless, like you, and it took him four years to understand that he had to recruit Florida, which is why he was a disaster.

Sure, BC might decide to go in another direction. Especially because the AD fired Al Golden at Miami. But if they choose Al Golden, I couldn’t fault the choice.
 
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Dan Quinn just got hired by the Commies. Supposedly there are rumors that Chip Kelly may be hired there as his OC. If so, UCLA is in deep doo doo with no HC in February entering the B1G.
 

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I have more knowledge on the situation because I went to Miami and you didn’t. I went to classes, used their facilities, and got to know many of their football players, which is why I’m better versed in their culture and value proposition.

When Miami is good, their fans will show up and dominate the attendance. But Yes, Miami has fairweather fans, but so does Boston College. Miami’s fans will be all in once they start winning. For now, their boosters and the school are all in which is good enough for now.

You didn’t go to either school, which is ironically why you’re posting out of your own fat ***.
But You visited on your daughters recruiting trip, so you think that makes you an expert. Fair enough.

You asserting that BC has a better football value proposition than Miami is eight jokes in one. Everyone else knows better, because the historical results say otherwise.

Al Golden turning around Temple was one of the greatest coaching jobs I’ve ever seen and not unlike what Greg Schiano did at Rutgers. He has the requisite skillset to be successful at Boston College and his resume is much stronger than any other candidate I’ve seen. 32-25 at Miami is good enough for Boston College. It also doesn’t hurt that he’s previously coached at Boston College, as an assistant, and been a head coach. And his previous BC recruiting results were strong. Lastly, he understands the BC culture, and knows what it takes to be successful there, so he’ll have the right strategy from go. Whereas a coach like Chris Ash was utterly clueless, like you, and it took him four years to understand that he had to recruit Florida, which is why he was a disaster.

Sure, BC might decide to go in another direction. Especially because the AD fired Al Golden at Miami. But if they choose Al Golden, I couldn’t fault the choice.
Have you lost your mind? The fact that you went there in 2003 has zero bearing on any of this. NOBODY is questioning whether or not Miami is all in, not sure why you are arguing that point.
You said BC’s facilities stink without ever seeing them
Then you admitted they are basically the same.
Despite never seeing them.
Yes, I didn’t go to clas at either school but I have been given tours BY THEIR COACHES of both facilities more than once. I’d say that allows me some insight you don’t get from grad Econ 302
 

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Have you lost your mind? The fact that you went there in 2003 has zero bearing on any of this. NOBODY is questioning whether or not Miami is all in, not sure why you are arguing that point.
You said BC’s facilities stink without ever seeing them
Then you admitted they are basically the same.
Despite never seeing them.
Yes, I didn’t go to clas at either school but I have been given tours BY THEIR COACHES of both facilities more than once. I’d say that allows me some insight you don’t get from grad Econ 302
I forgot what we argued about, because, according to some, I'm an old man! 😂 Welcome to arguing with al. He will continue to double, triple, and quadruple down on incorrect and untenable positions. I still like him as a fan--the eternal optimist. I'm that way a good portion of the time, but not afraid to call out issues, critique, criticize things about the program. I even get salty and mad. To al's credit, he's always very nice.
 
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I forgot what we argued about, because, according to some, I'm an old man! 😂 Welcome to arguing with al. He will continue to double, triple, and quadruple down on incorrect and untenable positions. I still like him as a fan--the eternal optimist. I'm that way a good portion of the time, but not afraid to call out issues, critique, criticize things about the program. I even get salty and mad. To al's credit, he's always very nice.
I don’t know about that last part. Al has gotten a little aggressive with insults when provoked. Not the worst thing in the world, but he will fight back more than I remember.

By the way, weren’t you one of the guys who agreed to boycott Al’s hyperbolic nonsense? I was, and this the first time since I’ve come close to engaging.
 
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I don’t know about that last part. Al has gotten a little aggressive with insults when provoked. Not the worst thing in the world, but he will fight back more than I remember.

By the way, weren’t you one of the guys who agreed to boycott Al’s hyperbolic nonsense? I was, and this the first time since I’ve come close to engaging.
Can I waffle a bit? 🧇 How about ham 🐷and egg 🥚 a bit?
I agreed to boycott the over the top Rutgers is going to the CFP, our next recruit was going to win the Heisman threads. I'm a huge believer in preaching walking the walk when you talk the talk, but now I'm just coming off like an everyday politician.

But you are right about the last part. Al got mad at me and others in the he bought season tickets threads.
 
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I don’t know about that last part. Al has gotten a little aggressive with insults when provoked. Not the worst thing in the world, but he will fight back more than I remember.

By the way, weren’t you one of the guys who agreed to boycott Al’s hyperbolic nonsense? I was, and this the first time since I’ve come close to engaging.
Yes, Al is throwing back some of the insults received by him. This board is funny, some or maybe most posters think they have to have the last post to win the argument but much of this is middle school stuff. I fall for the trap and argue sometime but I think I will live longer if I just ignore them.
 

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BC might do a fruit and go a position coach route naming Al Washington Notre Dame's DL coach their HC.
He's supposedly a great recruiter and BC might gamble on his ability to handle the top spot even if he never was a Coordinator because like the fruit , recruiting players is a must to field a decent team in the ACC .

He played for BC and and on the football staff from 2012 till the end of the 2016 season and is only 39.
 
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GB >>>>> small college in Boston

Talk about an easy decision!!
If you are talking HC to HC- that makes sense or $$$ to $$$
He is taking lower title and lower cash.

So, there is more to it then that. He has been in the NFL already.

I think he is tired of NIL/Transfer Portal and a short leash at BC. And since this is a DC position- the worst that happens - he gets another shot in college or as DB coach in the NFL. Best case- 3 years and he does well and now a hot name for NFL HC
 
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I don’t know about that last part. Al has gotten a little aggressive with insults when provoked. Not the worst thing in the world, but he will fight back more than I remember.

By the way, weren’t you one of the guys who agreed to boycott Al’s hyperbolic nonsense? I was, and this the first time since I’ve come close to engaging.
As he should. The way one of the regulars on the round table frequently attacked Al on there I would have struck back at his *** out way before Al started to. Probably gotten myself at the very least suspended.
 

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I think Bill O’Brien would be a great choice and fit there. With no natural recruiting base, they need some type of draw, and his NFL ties would help.
I'm almost sure he just got hired as an NFL OC. Maybe by the Bears or Vikings. Going there would be a step down.
 

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BC is a place where kids who wanted to play at ND, but can't, choose. And thank god Schiano is at RU.
 

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BC is a place where kids who wanted to play at ND, but can't, choose. And thank god Schiano is at RU.
Yeah BC is pretty much the Little Brother of ND, both athletically and academically.