OT: March Weather Banter; OG Thread Was: Winter Storm Thursday 2/20: Very Likely Somewhere Between A Non-Event and a Minor Event (oof)

RU05

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It says .3 in your post, but then I reply to your post and it says .1.

Is there an edit in there somewhere?

Sigh.
 

RU848789

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Why are you posting snowfall maps from yesterday? For those interested, here's the latest snowfall map, showing <1" of snow or the area tomorrow (and really, <0.3" for most if you dive into their details). However, most of the models (especially the short range mesoscale models that should do better with this mesoscale event, are now showing snow showers and/or periods of light snow for most from about 4 pm through midnight tomorrow, especially N of 276/195, with 1/4-3/4" of light powdery snow for most, but with some spots getting 1"+ where the heavier bands hit from the upper level low approaching from the NW.

For these kinds of mesoscale events, it's nearly impossible to know who might get 1/4" and who might get 1"+ (much like it's usually impossible to know where summertime showers and t-storms will hit). None of this will have much impact, although anywhere that gets more than maybe 1/2" of snow will likely have slippery spots on untreated side roads, sidewalks and driveways, as temps will be in the upper 20s. Of course, it's also still possible that most will get 1/4" or even nada, as these systems are difficult to forecast.

Personally, I think the NWS is a bit underdone on this with <0.3" snow for most, given the model outputs I just mentioned and Lee Goldberg clearly agrees, as per the 2nd map below showing widespread 0.5-1" amounts N of 276/195. He also mentioned how predicting who gets more and who gets less in this setup is nearly impossible.




 
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RU848789

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It says .3 in your post, but then I reply to your post and it says .1.

Is there an edit in there somewhere?

Sigh.
bac apparently posted the wrong graphic from yesterday, this evening, but these source graphics are "live" meaning one will eventually see the current graphic from today (and if one looked at a graphic posted a month ago for a different storm in an old thread, right now it would show the current NWS graphic). That's why I go through the extra step of posting all my graphics to a hosting site (imgur), so that they're no longer "live" graphics. Although to be fair, in this case, there's not a lot of difference between 0.1 and 0.3" lol...
 

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Had dinner at Federico's in Belmar next to St. Rose HS last night around 7:00pm. The wind was incredible to say the least. On my phone it said wind gust were hitting 65+, crazy. PS. They have the best chicken Francese

 

WhiteBus

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bac apparently posted the wrong graphic from yesterday, this evening, but these source graphics are "live" meaning one will eventually see the current graphic from today (and if one looked at a graphic posted a month ago for a different storm in an old thread, right now it would show the current NWS graphic). That's why I go through the extra step of posting all my graphics to a hosting site (imgur), so that they're no longer "live" graphics. Although to be fair, in this case, there's not a lot of difference between 0.1 and 0.3" lol...
People making maps with tenths of a % is beyond silly!
This is a non event. If not for the original hype no one would be talking about this today. In the Philadelphia area the forecast is for flurries with no accumulation is most areas and not everyone is going to get flurries. It's a very weak system that has to overcome extremely dry air.
 
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iReC89

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Oh what could have been.... Until next time. Someone with a truck should sponsor a road trip to the jackpot zone and take a bunch of guys and their snowblowers. We could roll in like line repairmen, but with white R magnets on our red snowblowers.

 
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RU848789

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Imagine quibbling over a non event map and accusing me of the posting an outdated graphic while I posted the actual current map

You've been running around like a crazy person over snowshowers
Are you really going to deny that you're clueless with regard to how to post "current" graphics? We've covered numerous times how the NWS snowfall maps are "live" graphics that update at some point after the NWS changes the graphic. Right now your two posts on page 6, from Monday at 11:34 pm and last night at 6:40 pm, both show graphics showing they were "issued Feb 19th, 2025 at 9:46 pm," which means either you are able to post maps well into the future or I'm right.

And they'll both probably soon show the updated graphics from this morning. Every one of my NWS graphics still shows the original graphic from that time. Also, you did erroneously post the graphic from Tuesday night in your post last night, but now it shows the graphic from 9:46 pm last night in your post from 6:40 pm last night and any NWS graphic you've posted in the past now shows the most recent or a very recent snowfall map, like your post on the 2/6 storm also shows last night's NWS graphic.

https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...n-rain-likely-until-12-pm.288790/post-7125742

It doesn't really matter much for this storm, but for a real storm with changing snowfall maps from the NWS it leads to misinformation and confusion. If you can't figure out how to post maps that don't change, you shouldn't post any maps at all from the NWS in these threads.
 

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Are you really going to deny that you're clueless with regard to how to post "current" graphics? We've covered numerous times how the NWS snowfall maps are "live" graphics that update at some point after the NWS changes the graphic. Right now your two posts on page 6, from Monday at 11:34 pm and last night at 6:40 pm, both show graphics showing they were "issued Feb 19th, 2025 at 9:46 pm," which means either you are able to post maps well into the future or I'm right.

And they'll both probably soon show the updated graphics from this morning. Every one of my NWS graphics still shows the original graphic from that time. Also, you did erroneously post the graphic from Tuesday night in your post last night, but now it shows the graphic from 9:46 pm last night in your post from 6:40 pm last night and any NWS graphic you've posted in the past now shows the most recent or a very recent snowfall map, like your post on the 2/6 storm also shows last night's NWS graphic.

https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...n-rain-likely-until-12-pm.288790/post-7125742

It doesn't really matter much for this storm, but for a real storm with changing snowfall maps from the NWS it leads to misinformation and confusion. If you can't figure out how to post maps that don't change, you shouldn't post any maps at all from the NWS in these threads.
I think he's triggered.
 
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RUPete

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Oh what could have been.... Until next time. Someone with a truck should sponsor a road trip to the jackpot zone and take a bunch of guys and their snowblowers. We could roll in like line repairmen, but with white R magnets on our red snowblowers.

That would be impressive and at least they would get used. Good for promoting the brand too.
 

bac2therac

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Are you really going to deny that you're clueless with regard to how to post "current" graphics? We've covered numerous times how the NWS snowfall maps are "live" graphics that update at some point after the NWS changes the graphic. Right now your two posts on page 6, from Monday at 11:34 pm and last night at 6:40 pm, both show graphics showing they were "issued Feb 19th, 2025 at 9:46 pm," which means either you are able to post maps well into the future or I'm right.

And they'll both probably soon show the updated graphics from this morning. Every one of my NWS graphics still shows the original graphic from that time. Also, you did erroneously post the graphic from Tuesday night in your post last night, but now it shows the graphic from 9:46 pm last night in your post from 6:40 pm last night and any NWS graphic you've posted in the past now shows the most recent or a very recent snowfall map, like your post on the 2/6 storm also shows last night's NWS graphic.

https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...n-rain-likely-until-12-pm.288790/post-7125742

It doesn't really matter much for this storm, but for a real storm with changing snowfall maps from the NWS it leads to misinformation and confusion. If you can't figure out how to post maps that don't change, you shouldn't post any maps at all from the NWS in these threads.
Aren't you special

7 page thread on a non event that was modeled as such by Sunday Afternoon

Maybe you shouldn't post maps at all from model sites on this thread lest there be misinformation and confusion

I hope that doctor didn't cancel his appointments
 

T2Kplus20

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Oh what could have been.... Until next time. Someone with a truck should sponsor a road trip to the jackpot zone and take a bunch of guys and their snowblowers. We could roll in like line repairmen, but with white R magnets on our red snowblowers.

Time to upgrade! The kids love this:

 

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Are you really going to deny that you're clueless with regard to how to post "current" graphics? We've covered numerous times how the NWS snowfall maps are "live" graphics that update at some point after the NWS changes the graphic. Right now your two posts on page 6, from Monday at 11:34 pm and last night at 6:40 pm, both show graphics showing they were "issued Feb 19th, 2025 at 9:46 pm," which means either you are able to post maps well into the future or I'm right.

And they'll both probably soon show the updated graphics from this morning. Every one of my NWS graphics still shows the original graphic from that time. Also, you did erroneously post the graphic from Tuesday night in your post last night, but now it shows the graphic from 9:46 pm last night in your post from 6:40 pm last night and any NWS graphic you've posted in the past now shows the most recent or a very recent snowfall map, like your post on the 2/6 storm also shows last night's NWS graphic.

https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...n-rain-likely-until-12-pm.288790/post-7125742

It doesn't really matter much for this storm, but for a real storm with changing snowfall maps from the NWS it leads to misinformation and confusion. If you can't figure out how to post maps that don't change, you shouldn't post any maps at all from the NWS in these threads.
Talk about "misinformation and confusion'" You were hinting at a historical storm. last week. Dr's were taking ur info and rescheduling appointments for yesterday and today and possibly tomorrow,
 

bac2therac

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Talk about "misinformation and confusion'" You were hinting at a historical storm. last week. Dr's were taking ur info and rescheduling appointments for yesterday and today and possibly tomorrow
How dare you question the accuracy of 7 day model run...EVERY snow weenie poster on americanwx.com said it was unprecedented...don't you know what that means
 
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DJ Spanky

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This storm really underperformed down south also: Tyler got all of an inch or so, although the schools closed yesterday and today up until noon; my friend SE of Richmond, in the 6-7 inch projected zone, did get about 4 inches. Schools are closed until further notice down there.
 
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RUPete

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This storm really underperformed down south also: Tyler got all of an inch or so, although the schools closed yesterday and today up until noon; my friend SE of Richmond, in the 6-7 inch projected zone, did get about 4 inches. Schools are closed until further notice down there.
That's crazy - thought they would see something significant out of this. Well, I guess 4 inches is somewhat significant for Richmond.
 

RU848789

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Why are you posting snowfall maps from yesterday? For those interested, here's the latest snowfall map, showing <1" of snow or the area tomorrow (and really, <0.3" for most if you dive into their details). However, most of the models (especially the short range mesoscale models that should do better with this mesoscale event, are now showing snow showers and/or periods of light snow for most from about 4 pm through midnight tomorrow, especially N of 276/195, with 1/4-3/4" of light powdery snow for most, but with some spots getting 1"+ where the heavier bands hit from the upper level low approaching from the NW.

For these kinds of mesoscale events, it's nearly impossible to know who might get 1/4" and who might get 1"+ (much like it's usually impossible to know where summertime showers and t-storms will hit). None of this will have much impact, although anywhere that gets more than maybe 1/2" of snow will likely have slippery spots on untreated side roads, sidewalks and driveways, as temps will be in the upper 20s. Of course, it's also still possible that most will get 1/4" or even nada, as these systems are difficult to forecast.

Personally, I think the NWS is a bit underdone on this with <0.3" snow for most, given the model outputs I just mentioned and Lee Goldberg clearly agrees, as per the 2nd map below showing widespread 0.5-1" amounts N of 276/195. He also mentioned how predicting who gets more and who gets less in this setup is nearly impossible.





The NWS has come around to Lee's thinking as their interactive point/click map shows 0.5-1.0" north of 276/195 in PA/NJ/NY (and 1-2" in the Poconos) vs. 1/4-1/2" south of that line, even though their official map only says <1". Still pretty minor, but as the NWS said, "with cold temps, roads could get slippery especially after sunset this evening." This would apply for areas that get more than 1/2", given temps in the upper 20s. Also, the most recent 12Z mesoscale/short-term models (NAM, HRRR, RAP), which, in theory, should do better with a minor mesoscale event like this, are all showing 0.5-1"+ for areas N of 276/195. Their map shows 0.5" for my house, but I'll go with a hugely overperforming 0.7", lol.

https://www.wpc.ncep.noaa.gov/Prob_Precip/?zoom=PHI

Also, for those curious, this was a big storm for NE NC and SE VA and extreme southern MD/DE, as per the map below. The VA Tidewater area got 8-12", the northern OBX got 3-5" as did the Research Triangle area, and extreme southern MD/DE got 4-6", while areas in western VA/NC got a fair amount less than forecast as did northern VA/MD, with DC actually shut out, as was all of NJ, except Cape May which got <1/2".

 
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RU848789

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Aren't you special

7 page thread on a non event that was modeled as such by Sunday Afternoon

Maybe you shouldn't post maps at all from model sites on this thread lest there be misinformation and confusion

I hope that doctor didn't cancel his appointments
Nice deflection from your inability to post correct NWS maps. I could teach you how to do that if you like. It might take a few hours given how challenged you are with anything remotely scientific, but I'm wiling to put the time in.

And now you've added lying to your trolling repertoire. Nice. I didn't post a single model map in this thread. And, oh my, somebody might have cancelled an appointment - shall we alert the media? You really should just stop posting in the weather threads, as per the feedback from a bunch of posters in this thread.
 
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RU848789

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That's crazy - thought they would see something significant out of this. Well, I guess 4 inches is somewhat significant for Richmond.
Way less than DT/WxRisk and the NWS forecasted, but still significant. It happens. Here's a better snowfall map than the one I posted above, for the eastern VA/NC and southern MD/DE region.

 

T2Kplus20

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Way less than DT/WxRisk and the NWS forecasted, but still significant. It happens. Here's a better snowfall map than the one I posted above, for the eastern VA/NC and southern MD/DE region.

To summarize (not even worthy of the bouncy kind):

 

newell138

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My local radio station is saying 2-5 inches today??? Are they also broadcasting old news?
 

RU848789

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Snow has broken out all over western NJ and the Lehigh Valley and SEPA where they have dustings. Whether or not that means most/many folks will get 1/2" or more as per the models, is an open question...