OT: New York Mets 2023-2024 Off Season Thread
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You do need to fill out a 40 man roster and stock a minor league with potential replacements.
The more important part of the thread is about the status of Blake Snell and Jordan Montgomery per Heyman
Well, the good thing is that we aren’t just sitting on our hands about Yamamoto. I would also assume Cohen most likely makes the biggest offer.
If that ends up the case, he just didn’t want to play here.
If that ends up the case, he just didn’t want to play here.
That is a fair point. It is the recruiter's dilemma, true in college and pros. When you are focusing on your #1 target, your lesser targets can go off the board. All your eggs are now in one basket.
Per SNY:
The Mets made a move on Wednesday to add to their starting pitching and outfield depth, trading for right-hander Adrian Houser and Tyrone Taylor of the Milwaukee Brewers.
In return, New York is sending over minor league right-hander Coleman Crow to the Brew Crew.
The Mets made a move on Wednesday to add to their starting pitching and outfield depth, trading for right-hander Adrian Houser and Tyrone Taylor of the Milwaukee Brewers.
In return, New York is sending over minor league right-hander Coleman Crow to the Brew Crew.
Solid acquisitions. I expect both to be on the opening day roster.
To say this offseason has been a disappointment would be an understatement. Not over yet though. See if we can make any moves to improve the team.
Could Mets have upped offer to say $350M after Dodgers matched? If so, I wonder if Yamamoto would have gone to Mets as highest bidder - albeit I suspect Mets were used and Yamamoto wanted LA and to play with Ohtani all along.
Hopefully, Yamamato doesn't pan out...
Onto Plan B what that is though I suspect to sign:
SP - Snell or Montgomery or Gioloto
Bat - Justin Turner and/or JD Martinez
RP - Hader
One can hope.......or dream.....
Tell me again how Steve Cohen is ruining baseball. lmfao. No thank you for a small frame pitcher with mileage.
At $325M for 12 years, AAV $27M and change, I am guessing that little or none of it was deferred.
Klapisch agrees with you. In the linked article, which is Yankee-oriented, he says Yamamoto feigned interest in the Mets. Strong words!Could Mets have upped offer to say $350M after Dodgers matched? If so, I wonder if Yamamoto would have gone to Mets as highest bidder - albeit I suspect Mets were used and Yamamoto wanted LA and to play with Ohtani all along.
Hopefully, Yamamato doesn't pan out...
Onto Plan B what that is though I suspect to sign:
SP - Snell or Montgomery or Gioloto
Bat - Justin Turner and/or JD Martinez
RP - Hader
One can hope.......or dream.....
He says the Yankees actually offered the highest AAV of $30M, and declined to go higher. Mets had the highest total value which the Dodgers matched. My guess is that it came down to Dodgers/Yankees, and the Mets (and everyone else) were never much of a consideration at all.
Yamamoto’s contract alone. Plus Ohtanis money has to be found not just for this year. Let’s not act like they were shopping in the discount aisle
I am curious on Ohtani's contract- they are paying him $2 mil but getting cap hit for $46...Does the cap get hit with the remainder of the money for the following 10 years? It should be $22 mil each year after the end of contract...Or does the deferment reduce that as well or do they just assume that in 10 years- $22 mil is almost nothing?
From what was reported about the Mets, Yamamoto didn't like the opt out clause at 5 and 8 years.Could Mets have upped offer to say $350M after Dodgers matched? If so, I wonder if Yamamoto would have gone to Mets as highest bidder - albeit I suspect Mets were used and Yamamoto wanted LA and to play with Ohtani all along.
Hopefully, Yamamato doesn't pan out...
Onto Plan B what that is though I suspect to sign:
SP - Snell or Montgomery or Gioloto
Bat - Justin Turner and/or JD Martinez
RP - Hader
One can hope.......or dream.....
Harder is a dream as he is expected to ask for the most money for a closer and he only wants to close games. We have Diaz already.
Turner or JD better not ask for the moon. I respect them, but they are a little long in the tooth.
Cohen better hope Soto doesn't re-sign with the Yankees. That way he has a chance for a generational player. The team could use another big bat and good news because right now it not a good feeling finishing runner-up all the time.
Basically yes. It's a smart play. Salary numbers in all sports are inflating at an unprecedentedly rapid pace. Mid tier pay will be at that level very soon. It already is in the NBA and elite NFL QBs are at 60 million.
This is exactly why I wanted Cohen to go after both Shohei and Yamamoto as well as lock up Pete. What seems like big money now is nothing in a few years, and he is the richest in the biz. Go big or go home. Shame that they didn't come here.
I am reading the opposite. Yamamoto WANTED the opt out clauses, and he GOT them from the Dodgers. Whether or not the Mets offered them is unclear.
Also, the Yamamoto deal reportedly includes zero deferrals.
Cohen has been getting schooled since buying the Mets. He’s in over his head as a an owner right now. The managerial choice and “small market” Stearns are scary too. However, he’s got all the money in the world and he is at least building up the farm system so there’s still hope.
Reports saying that they won’t be going after other high end high priced pitchers this off season. We’ll see if that changes.
The Dodgers played their card perfectly, and it started with SO...
They convinced Yamamoto to give them "last look" - and they sold it to him
1) He already sees how crazy the media in Japan is for the LA MArket with Ohtani-
2) They most likely already have media deals already in place that may even double Yamamoto's salary each year just with commercials the two can do together.
Yankees/Met's were played from day 1.
They convinced Yamamoto to give them "last look" - and they sold it to him
1) He already sees how crazy the media in Japan is for the LA MArket with Ohtani-
2) They most likely already have media deals already in place that may even double Yamamoto's salary each year just with commercials the two can do together.
Yankees/Met's were played from day 1.
Yes, I have seen those reports. Looks like Mets think guys like Snell and Montgomery simply aren't worth the money they will undoubtedly command. Mets may just dabble mid-market and keep their powder dry for 2025.
And Doc, before you react, it's a joke.
The return of the small-market approach. The Wilpons, a.k.a. the Coupons, are back.
It looks like Ohtani/Yamamoto were not going to be an option- Met's did all they could.
Now- my concern is- what do we do next? Personally- I really do not want Snell but would love Monty.
Also- do not think we should over pay for an arm that isn't worth it.
Hader isn't coming to be a number 8 guy, so it is stupid to even try.
Get me Turner- bring back Robertson, get someone like Monty and let's give it a shot- if we are in it at the trade deadline- you make that move.
We have 3 guys that will most likely be 30+ HR...and then Nimmo a 20is- a guy like Turner- the same.
Now- my concern is- what do we do next? Personally- I really do not want Snell but would love Monty.
Also- do not think we should over pay for an arm that isn't worth it.
Hader isn't coming to be a number 8 guy, so it is stupid to even try.
Get me Turner- bring back Robertson, get someone like Monty and let's give it a shot- if we are in it at the trade deadline- you make that move.
We have 3 guys that will most likely be 30+ HR...and then Nimmo a 20is- a guy like Turner- the same.
Mets going to need to make a splash somewhere for ticket sales and for Cohens promise to be “ competitive “. Right now this team is not competive.
How about Trevor Bauer ?
Here's what the projected 26 man opening day roster looks like right now:
STARTING PITCHERS (5)
Kodai Senga
Jose Quintana
Luis Severino
Adrian Houser
Tylor Megill OR Joey Lucchesi OR Jose Butto
COMMENT: The big question is Severino. If he recaptures his old form, this rotation isn't bad. But it isn't all that good either. Help is needed and will be forthcoming.
RELIEF PITCHERS (8)
Edwin DIaz
Brooks Raley
At least one of Megill/Lucchesi/Butto
Five other guys, from a pool of about 15
COMMENT: I don't think Stearns is going to add much more here. Plenty of quantity. Quality? Eh, we shall see.
STARTING LINEUP (8)
1B - Pete Alonso
2B - Jeff McNeil
SS - Francisco Lindor
3B - Brett Baty OR Mark Vientos
LF - DJ Stewart
CF - Brandon Nimmo
RF - Starling Marte
C - Francisco Alvarez
COMMENT - Stewart IMO is a placeholder as I don't think the starting LF is here yet. Unless the Mets add an infielder and move McNeil there.
BENCH including DH (5)
Baty or Vientos
Joey Wendle
Tyrone Taylor
Zach Short OR Trayce Thompson
Omar Narvaez
COMMENT - I think they add a bench bat. They will try to move Narvaez if they can find a taker for at least part of his contract. Nido is still around and available.
GENERAL COMMENT - This team as currently constituted will be hard pressed to get to .500.
STARTING PITCHERS (5)
Kodai Senga
Jose Quintana
Luis Severino
Adrian Houser
Tylor Megill OR Joey Lucchesi OR Jose Butto
COMMENT: The big question is Severino. If he recaptures his old form, this rotation isn't bad. But it isn't all that good either. Help is needed and will be forthcoming.
RELIEF PITCHERS (8)
Edwin DIaz
Brooks Raley
At least one of Megill/Lucchesi/Butto
Five other guys, from a pool of about 15
COMMENT: I don't think Stearns is going to add much more here. Plenty of quantity. Quality? Eh, we shall see.
STARTING LINEUP (8)
1B - Pete Alonso
2B - Jeff McNeil
SS - Francisco Lindor
3B - Brett Baty OR Mark Vientos
LF - DJ Stewart
CF - Brandon Nimmo
RF - Starling Marte
C - Francisco Alvarez
COMMENT - Stewart IMO is a placeholder as I don't think the starting LF is here yet. Unless the Mets add an infielder and move McNeil there.
BENCH including DH (5)
Baty or Vientos
Joey Wendle
Tyrone Taylor
Zach Short OR Trayce Thompson
Omar Narvaez
COMMENT - I think they add a bench bat. They will try to move Narvaez if they can find a taker for at least part of his contract. Nido is still around and available.
GENERAL COMMENT - This team as currently constituted will be hard pressed to get to .500.
I agree but they may want to see how some of the kids develop this year including acuna and then go big for their needs in 2025.
Agree we'll see Acuna and maybe Gilbert this year, but not on opening day.