OT: New York Mets 2023-2024 Off Season Thread

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OT but interesting. You know how some on this board have called for the Mets to extend Francisco Alvarez right now? And folks like me have responded, nah, way too early.

Well the Detroit Tigers have gone one better. They have locked up Colt Keith, their #1 prospect (#22 overall) for six years at $28M before he has even played an MLB game. Comes out to a little over $4.5M per year. They have bought out his three pre-arb years and his three arb years.

Why would the Tigers do that, you may ask? Because their real payoff is that they are getting three club option years. THREE! That is unheard of. The club gets no-strings-attached control for years seven through nine, presumably his peak earning years.

The player now has financial security, but at the cost of a ****-ton of foregone upside. If he develops as the Tigers hope, he will easily be the most underpaid player in the game in years 7-9.

Or he could be a bust and be the most overpaid player in years 1-6. Or somewhere in between.

Seems to me young Mr. Keith is betting against himself. But easy for me to say, as no one is offering me $28M.
I drafted Colt Keith last year in my Fantasy Baseball League farm draft.

Great pickup I must say !

Kid looks like a star !

Should be up this year with Tigers and will be their starting 3B next year if not sooner !
 

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Not a lot of depth in SP. One of those top 3 guys goes down for a month, it could get pretty ugly pretty quickly.
Actually, I like the Mets starting pitching depth. They go eight deep with Megill, Lucchesi, and Butto. Peterson ready to return by midseason. And promising rookies like Scott, Vasil, and Hamel waiting in the wings.
 
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OT but interesting. You know how some on this board have called for the Mets to extend Francisco Alvarez right now? And folks like me have responded, nah, way too early.

Well the Detroit Tigers have gone one better. They have locked up Colt Keith, their #1 prospect (#22 overall) for six years at $28M before he has even played an MLB game. Comes out to a little over $4.5M per year. They have bought out his three pre-arb years and his three arb years.

Why would the Tigers do that, you may ask? Because their real payoff is that they are getting three club option years. THREE! That is unheard of. The club gets no-strings-attached control for years seven through nine, presumably his peak earning years.

The player now has financial security, but at the cost of a ****-ton of foregone upside. If he develops as the Tigers hope, he will easily be the most underpaid player in the game in years 7-9.

Or he could be a bust and be the most overpaid player in years 1-6. Or somewhere in between.

Seems to me young Mr. Keith is betting against himself. But easy for me to say, as no one is offering me $28M.

This happens more now. The Brewers just did the same with Jackson Chourio and the White Sox did with Robert JR and Jimenez. The 3 club options do seem like a lot I agree there. Can make up to $82 million if everything hits over the course of the contract which would be low if he turns into a star.

Chourio got 2 club options in his post arb years. Also got more money but he is considered better with a much higher upside to all around game.


I'd still sign Alvarez to some kind of deal if we could. The power and D alone at C is going to play even if he doesn't develop further which I think he will regardless.
 
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I gotta believe that the budgetary reporting was accurate. Cohen said you've got $10M, period. If we're in the hunt in July, you can come back and ask me again then.

$5.5M left. Wandy Peralta money.
I understand the $$$$ constraints. They went crazy on payroll last year and are paying the price currently! However, it is difficult to see them acting like a small market team and basically writing off 2024.
 

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Mets have formally announced the Ottavino signing.

To make room for him on the 40 man, they have DFA'd Tyler Heineman. Who? Exactly. But if you must know, he is a reserve catcher whom they acquired two months ago. Mets still have Nido in reserve if needed.
 

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Mets have formally announced the Ottavino signing.

To make room for him on the 40 man, they have DFA'd Tyler Heineman. Who? Exactly. But if you must know, he is a reserve catcher whom they acquired two months ago. Mets still have Nido in reserve if needed.
I almost thought you posted Aaron Heilman for a second. 😁
 

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I understand the $$$$ constraints. They went crazy on payroll last year and are paying the price currently! However, it is difficult to see them acting like a small market team and basically writing off 2024.
A point which must be remembered. Mets are in the 110% tax bracket. Justin Turner would not have cost them $13M. He would have cost them over $27M. He is not worth it.
 
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Not a lot of depth in SP. One of those top 3 guys goes down for a month, it could get pretty ugly pretty quickly.

Also, not sure how hard it is to bring in a right handed DH.... the Mets haven't been a good offensive team in forever, they really need another RH bat that can hit .260/20/80.
There’s depth but it’s all dumpster-diving quality.
 

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There's a balance to be met.

Eppler was a drunken sailor with no spending constraints.

Stearns is budgetary driven but his no frills acquisitions have a lot to be desired.

The mid point of the above is what needs to / should occur.
 

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Wandy Peralta off the board. Signs a 4 year $16.5 million deal with SD. Includes 3 opt outs.
 

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Wandy Peralta off the board. Signs a 4 year $16.5 million deal with SD. Includes 3 opt outs.
A four year deal with three opt outs? If my math is correct, and it is, that's an opt out every year. That's just cray-cray.
 

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There is a lot of commonality across the different lists;

Williams and Scott have made quantum leaps.

Gilbert and Clifford have risen modestly.

Mauricio is what we thought he was, except now he's hurt.

Acuna has fallen off slightly.

Parada and Ramirez have plummeted.
 

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I almost think we see all 6 of the top prospects sometime this year
Well Mauricio is out for the year so he's off.

Clifford is the farthest away so I don't think he'll make it.

Jett maybe in September but I doubt they rush him. Not on the 40 and they'll want to keep him PPI eligible for 2025.

Acuna, Gilbert, and Scott I could see after the ASB. No reason to rush any of them this year though even if they're killing it.
 
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Well Mauricio is out for the year so he's off.

Clifford is the farthest away so I don't think he'll make it.

Jett maybe in September but I doubt they rush him. Not on the 40 and they'll want to keep him PPI eligible for 2025.

Acuna, Gilbert, and Scott I could see after the ASB. No he's to rush any of them this year though even if they're killing it.
Will we ever want to talk about this year's team?
 

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There's a balance to be met.

Eppler was a drunken sailor with no spending constraints.

Stearns is budgetary driven but his no frills acquisitions have a lot to be desired.

The mid point of the above is what needs to / should occur.
Problem is, Stearns is paying for Eppler's mistakes. Even with 2024 frugality, Mets will have the highest payroll in baseball again this year. $65M in dead money will do that to you.
 

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Problem is, Stearns is paying for Eppler's mistakes. Even with 2024 frugality, Mets will have the highest payroll in baseball again this year. $65M in dead money will do that to you.
True and the flip side- when the dead money comes off- Stearns will benefit from it with the kids we got back from those mistakes
 

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Will we ever want to talk about this year's team?
Sure what do you want to talk about?

I think our off-season spending is still in the top 10 believe it or not. I want to see if I can find a figure.
 

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Sure what do you want to talk about?

I think our off-season spending is still in the top 10 believe it or not. I want to see if I can find a figure.
I would love to see those figures!!
 

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Offseason spending so far:

Manaea - $14.5M
Severino - $13M
Bader - $10.5M
Houser - $5M
Ottavino - $4.5M
Taylor - $2.2M
Lopez - $2M
Wendle - $2M
Tonkin - $1M
Adams - $1M

So in round numbers, $55M in free agents and trades. That is certainly not nothing (pardon the double negative).
 

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Offseason spending so far:

Manaea - $14.5M
Severino - $13M
Bader - $10.5M
Houser - $5M
Ottavino - $4.5M
Taylor - $2.2M
Lopez - $2M
Wendle - $2M
Tonkin - $1M
Adams - $1M

So in round numbers, $55M in free agents and trades. That is certainly not nothing (pardon the double negative).
Thanks for the info!
 

Zak57

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Offseason spending so far:

Manaea - $14.5M
Severino - $13M
Bader - $10.5M
Houser - $5M
Ottavino - $4.5M
Taylor - $2.2M
Lopez - $2M
Wendle - $2M
Tonkin - $1M
Adams - $1M

So in round numbers, $55M in free agents and trades. That is certainly not nothing (pardon the double negative).
No one is spending much this off-season so far except for the Dodgers. However once the big FA's like Snell, Montgomery, and Bellinger sign we'll surely drop in the overall numbers. I wonder if the price gets low if Stearns wouldn't pounce on Montgomery where you don't have to give up a pick and then you have one less rotation spot to worry about beyond 2024.
 
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Offseason spending so far:

Manaea - $14.5M
Severino - $13M
Bader - $10.5M
Houser - $5M
Ottavino - $4.5M
Taylor - $2.2M
Lopez - $2M
Wendle - $2M
Tonkin - $1M
Adams - $1M

So in round numbers, $55M in free agents and trades. That is certainly not nothing (pardon the double negative).
The nice thing is that we didn't really go long term on these guys.
 
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No one is spending much this off-season so far except for the Dodgers. However once the big FA's like Snell, Montgomery, and Bellinger sign we'll surely drop in the overall numbers. I wonder if the price gets low if Stearns wouldn't pounce on Montgomery where you don't have to give up a pick and then you have one less rotation spot to worry about beyond 2024.
Only if the team doing the signing is not one of the 8 currently above us.
 

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I have linked an article from Andy Martino. The headline items come as no surprise:
  • After the expected signing of Diekman, Mets are likely done.
  • UNLESS, they get a bargain price on a DH, which is unlikely.
  • They are holding $10-15M in reserve for trade deadline acquisitions, if they are buyers.
But check out this nugget buried in the middle of the article.

"They offered free agent Yoshinobu Yamamoto $325 million before watching, with a mixture of passing disappointment and deep relief, the pitcher accept a nearly identical deal with the Los Angeles Dodgers." (Emphasis added.)



 

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I have linked an article from Andy Martino. The headline items come as no surprise:
  • After the expected signing of Diekman, Mets are likely done.
  • UNLESS, they get a bargain price on a DH, which is unlikely.
  • They are holding $10-15M in reserve for trade deadline acquisitions, if they are buyers.
But check out this nugget buried in the middle of the article.

"They offered free agent Yoshinobu Yamamoto $325 million before watching, with a mixture of passing disappointment and deep relief, the pitcher accept a nearly identical deal with the Los Angeles Dodgers." (Emphasis added.)



Does “deep relief” signify Mets were actually happy Yamamoto did not sign?
If so, for financial purposes and or because they weren’t completely sold on Yamamoto?
Or did I misinterpret?
 

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Does “deep relief” signify Mets were actually happy Yamamoto did not sign?
If so, for financial purposes and or because they weren’t completely sold on Yamamoto?
Or did I misinterpret?
I share your interpretation - Martino is alleging that the Mets were silently happy that Yamamoto did not sign.

I guess the theory is that the Mets had to show their fanbase that they were serious about 2024, that they were still willing to spend big bucks and were not throwing in the towel. So they leaked the narrative that Yamamoto's our guy, he is the only free agent out there worth a megadeal (other than Ohtani, whom we know isn't coming here), and so we are all in on Yamamoto and him alone. Then when he signs with LA, you put on a sad face, tell the fanbase "Damn, we tried so hard", and proceed with your semi-austerity plans.

Like @Zak57, I'm not buying it, but it does make for a good conspiracy theory.
 

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Invited these non 40 man minor leaguers to camp this year. Always good to see them on TV for the first time during the home ST games.

02/01/24New York Mets invited non-roster RHP Kyle Crick to spring training.
02/01/24New York Mets invited non-roster C Kevin Parada to spring training.
02/01/24New York Mets invited non-roster RHP Dominic Hamel to spring training.
02/01/24New York Mets invited non-roster SS Jett Williams to spring training.
02/01/24New York Mets invited non-roster RHP Eric Orze to spring training.
02/01/24New York Mets invited non-roster OF Drew Gilbert to spring training.
02/01/24New York Mets invited non-roster C Tomás Nido to spring training.
02/01/24New York Mets invited non-roster LHP Nate Lavender to spring training.
02/01/24New York Mets invited non-roster RHP Christian Scott to spring training.
02/01/24New York Mets invited non-roster C Hayden Senger to spring training.
02/01/24New York Mets invited non-roster RHP Mike Vasil to spring training.